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Anonymous wrote:Wasn’t there recent research from Europe saying either covid or the vaccine (they aren’t sure) ages your blood vessels by 5 years on average—noting the link to vasculitis (among other issues)?

Perhaps that’s why most doctors aren’t recommending it for kids and healthy adults any longer?

FTR I got the original vax and was boosted, but I haven’t opted for continual covid vaccines. I’m also a lifelong liberal who would never vote for a R. But my pediatrician stopped recommending the covid vaccine a while ago based on “the science,” so I feel like research has evolved.

Instead of a knee-jerk reaction, perhaps there is a middle ground?

This is incorrect. The American pediatric assoc and American assoc of gyn and obstetrics both just strongly recommended the covid booster for pregnant women and children because of the wave and danger they are seeing to kids in ER. Just to clarify, those associations are made up of doctors.

The study you are referring to shows that Covid virus (not vaccine) ages vessels, most notably in women.

https://www.heart.org/en/news/2025/01/16/how-the-virus-behind-covid-19-can-harm-your-blood-vessels-and-your-heart

https://erictopol.substack.com/p/covid-and-our-arteries

I think maybe your pediatrician needs a refresher course.

I’m not sure they can effectively determine whether it’s the virus or vax that is problematic.

I know a lot of young women who have developed bizarre health issues since covid. Think: vascular compressions requiring transplants/artery rerouting. These were otherwise healthy girls. There are a limited number of specialists who can do such a surgery, and those specialists can’t pinpoint if it’s the vac or virus that prompted the issue.

My pediatrician group is plugged into the CDC and the latest research. Regardless, commonsense dictates there’s no need to continue to vaccinate healthy kids when covid is presenting like a cold for most people.

Anonymous wrote:Wasn’t there recent research from Europe saying either covid or the vaccine (they aren’t sure) ages your blood vessels by 5 years on average—noting the link to vasculitis (among other issues)?

Perhaps that’s why most doctors aren’t recommending it for kids and healthy adults any longer?

FTR I got the original vax and was boosted, but I haven’t opted for continual covid vaccines. I’m also a lifelong liberal who would never vote for a R. But my pediatrician stopped recommending the covid vaccine a while ago based on “the science,” so I feel like research has evolved.

Instead of a knee-jerk reaction, perhaps there is a middle ground?

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Anonymous wrote:Wasn’t there recent research from Europe saying either covid or the vaccine (they aren’t sure) ages your blood vessels by 5 years on average—noting the link to vasculitis (among other issues)?

Perhaps that’s why most doctors aren’t recommending it for kids and healthy adults any longer?

FTR I got the original vax and was boosted, but I haven’t opted for continual covid vaccines. I’m also a lifelong liberal who would never vote for a R. But my pediatrician stopped recommending the covid vaccine a while ago based on “the science,” so I feel like research has evolved.

Instead of a knee-jerk reaction, perhaps there is a middle ground?

This is incorrect. The American pediatric assoc and American assoc of gyn and obstetrics both just strongly recommended the covid booster for pregnant women and children because of the wave and danger they are seeing to kids in ER. Just to clarify, those associations are made up of doctors.

The study you are referring to shows that Covid virus (not vaccine) ages vessels, most notably in women.

https://www.heart.org/en/news/2025/01/16/how-the-virus-behind-covid-19-can-harm-your-blood-vessels-and-your-heart

https://erictopol.substack.com/p/covid-and-our-arteries

I think maybe your pediatrician needs a refresher course.

I’m not sure they can effectively determine whether it’s the virus or vax that is problematic.

I know a lot of young women who have developed bizarre health issues since covid. Think: vascular compressions requiring transplants/artery rerouting. These were otherwise healthy girls. There are a limited number of specialists who can do such a surgery, and those specialists can’t pinpoint if it’s the vac or virus that prompted the issue.

My pediatrician group is plugged into the CDC and the latest research. Regardless, commonsense dictates there’s no need to continue to vaccinate healthy kids when covid is presenting like a cold for most people.

How many?

NP here. Anecdote of one: My college aged niece got all her covid shots and boosters from 2020 to 2023. In summer 2024, she finally got covid for the first time. She developed a heart condition over the following months following the covid infection, or at least that is when symptoms became apparent. I can't remember the details of the condition. But in her case, IF her condition had anything to do covid (which is a possibility according to the doctors), it seems to have been covid itself, not the vaccine.

Okay, this is another example of why Americans are incapable of making good health decisions. What an incredible number of leaps you're making. Here's one possibility you didn't cover: Maybe having all those boosters combined with getting the virus caused the issue. I mean, if the boosters are supposed to prevent severe illness, and now your niece is severely ill, doesn't that say something about the efficacy--or possible lack thereof--of the boosters? Especially for a presumably healthy young person? To me, that points directly to a booster problem. What a bizarre take.

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Anonymous wrote:Wasn’t there recent research from Europe saying either covid or the vaccine (they aren’t sure) ages your blood vessels by 5 years on average—noting the link to vasculitis (among other issues)?

Perhaps that’s why most doctors aren’t recommending it for kids and healthy adults any longer?

FTR I got the original vax and was boosted, but I haven’t opted for continual covid vaccines. I’m also a lifelong liberal who would never vote for a R. But my pediatrician stopped recommending the covid vaccine a while ago based on “the science,” so I feel like research has evolved.

Instead of a knee-jerk reaction, perhaps there is a middle ground?

This is incorrect. The American pediatric assoc and American assoc of gyn and obstetrics both just strongly recommended the covid booster for pregnant women and children because of the wave and danger they are seeing to kids in ER. Just to clarify, those associations are made up of doctors.

The study you are referring to shows that Covid virus (not vaccine) ages vessels, most notably in women.

https://www.heart.org/en/news/2025/01/16/how-the-virus-behind-covid-19-can-harm-your-blood-vessels-and-your-heart

https://erictopol.substack.com/p/covid-and-our-arteries

I think maybe your pediatrician needs a refresher course.

I’m not sure they can effectively determine whether it’s the virus or vax that is problematic.

I know a lot of young women who have developed bizarre health issues since covid. Think: vascular compressions requiring transplants/artery rerouting. These were otherwise healthy girls. There are a limited number of specialists who can do such a surgery, and those specialists can’t pinpoint if it’s the vac or virus that prompted the issue.

My pediatrician group is plugged into the CDC and the latest research. Regardless, commonsense dictates there’s no need to continue to vaccinate healthy kids when covid is presenting like a cold for most people.

How many?

NP here. Anecdote of one: My college aged niece got all her covid shots and boosters from 2020 to 2023. In summer 2024, she finally got covid for the first time. She developed a heart condition over the following months following the covid infection, or at least that is when symptoms became apparent. I can't remember the details of the condition. But in her case, IF her condition had anything to do covid (which is a possibility according to the doctors), it seems to have been covid itself, not the vaccine.

Okay, this is another example of why Americans are incapable of making good health decisions. What an incredible number of leaps you're making. Here's one possibility you didn't cover: Maybe having all those boosters combined with getting the virus caused the issue. I mean, if the boosters are supposed to prevent severe illness, and now your niece is severely ill, doesn't that say something about the efficacy--or possible lack thereof--of the boosters? Especially for a presumably healthy young person? To me, that points directly to a booster problem. What a bizarre take.

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Anonymous wrote:Wasn’t there recent research from Europe saying either covid or the vaccine (they aren’t sure) ages your blood vessels by 5 years on average—noting the link to vasculitis (among other issues)?

Perhaps that’s why most doctors aren’t recommending it for kids and healthy adults any longer?

FTR I got the original vax and was boosted, but I haven’t opted for continual covid vaccines. I’m also a lifelong liberal who would never vote for a R. But my pediatrician stopped recommending the covid vaccine a while ago based on “the science,” so I feel like research has evolved.

Instead of a knee-jerk reaction, perhaps there is a middle ground?

This is incorrect. The American pediatric assoc and American assoc of gyn and obstetrics both just strongly recommended the covid booster for pregnant women and children because of the wave and danger they are seeing to kids in ER. Just to clarify, those associations are made up of doctors.

The study you are referring to shows that Covid virus (not vaccine) ages vessels, most notably in women.

https://www.heart.org/en/news/2025/01/16/how-the-virus-behind-covid-19-can-harm-your-blood-vessels-and-your-heart

https://erictopol.substack.com/p/covid-and-our-arteries

I think maybe your pediatrician needs a refresher course.

I’m not sure they can effectively determine whether it’s the virus or vax that is problematic.

I know a lot of young women who have developed bizarre health issues since covid. Think: vascular compressions requiring transplants/artery rerouting. These were otherwise healthy girls. There are a limited number of specialists who can do such a surgery, and those specialists can’t pinpoint if it’s the vac or virus that prompted the issue.

My pediatrician group is plugged into the CDC and the latest research. Regardless, commonsense dictates there’s no need to continue to vaccinate healthy kids when covid is presenting like a cold for most people.

How many?

NP here. Anecdote of one: My college aged niece got all her covid shots and boosters from 2020 to 2023. In summer 2024, she finally got covid for the first time. She developed a heart condition over the following months following the covid infection, or at least that is when symptoms became apparent. I can't remember the details of the condition. But in her case, IF her condition had anything to do covid (which is a possibility according to the doctors), it seems to have been covid itself, not the vaccine.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wasn’t there recent research from Europe saying either covid or the vaccine (they aren’t sure) ages your blood vessels by 5 years on average—noting the link to vasculitis (among other issues)?

Perhaps that’s why most doctors aren’t recommending it for kids and healthy adults any longer?

FTR I got the original vax and was boosted, but I haven’t opted for continual covid vaccines. I’m also a lifelong liberal who would never vote for a R. But my pediatrician stopped recommending the covid vaccine a while ago based on “the science,” so I feel like research has evolved.

Instead of a knee-jerk reaction, perhaps there is a middle ground?

This is incorrect. The American pediatric assoc and American assoc of gyn and obstetrics both just strongly recommended the covid booster for pregnant women and children because of the wave and danger they are seeing to kids in ER. Just to clarify, those associations are made up of doctors.

The study you are referring to shows that Covid virus (not vaccine) ages vessels, most notably in women.

https://www.heart.org/en/news/2025/01/16/how-the-virus-behind-covid-19-can-harm-your-blood-vessels-and-your-heart

https://erictopol.substack.com/p/covid-and-our-arteries

I think maybe your pediatrician needs a refresher course.

I’m not sure they can effectively determine whether it’s the virus or vax that is problematic.

I know a lot of young women who have developed bizarre health issues since covid. Think: vascular compressions requiring transplants/artery rerouting. These were otherwise healthy girls. There are a limited number of specialists who can do such a surgery, and those specialists can’t pinpoint if it’s the vac or virus that prompted the issue.

My pediatrician group is plugged into the CDC and the latest research. Regardless, commonsense dictates there’s no need to continue to vaccinate healthy kids when covid is presenting like a cold for most people.

How many?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wasn’t there recent research from Europe saying either covid or the vaccine (they aren’t sure) ages your blood vessels by 5 years on average—noting the link to vasculitis (among other issues)?

Perhaps that’s why most doctors aren’t recommending it for kids and healthy adults any longer?

FTR I got the original vax and was boosted, but I haven’t opted for continual covid vaccines. I’m also a lifelong liberal who would never vote for a R. But my pediatrician stopped recommending the covid vaccine a while ago based on “the science,” so I feel like research has evolved.

Instead of a knee-jerk reaction, perhaps there is a middle ground?

This is such a sensible response. As a middle aged late woman home right now with my first ever bout of Covid, even I support a common sense, open-minded understanding of this topic. For healthy people, the risks of the vaccines simply do not outweigh the risks of Covid. I don't feel great right now, but it's just a bad cold. I had the first round of shots and no boosters. Too many in the medical community are coming out with new recommendations about the safety and efficacy. I wish people would just be more open-minded instead of jumping right to insults of people who happen to have a different perspective.

Piss off. Your personal experience isn’t “science” and your personal view on the risk to healthy people from the vaccine isn’t either.

I never said anything about my "personal view" on the risk to healthy people. I said that the medical community was moving further and further in this direction. Can you read? And do you even know why America has the most aggressive stance on Covid vaccines for everyone? As opposed to only elderly and high risk people as in the rest of the world? It's because those making the recommendation believe that Americans are too dumb to be able to know if they fall into the recommended category. Again, this is not my personal view. This is the opinion of much of the medical community. Did you know that the official stance of the FDA is to move to recommendations for only those over 64 and those over 6 months with complicating health issues? Not everyone. I'm going to guess that you are in fact not well-read in this area and didn't know that the directors of the FDA have taken this position.

You said, and I quote, “I don’t feel great but it’s just like a bad cold.” That’s a YOU statement. How you personally feel with COVID has no bearing on anything. You’re crediting viewpoints that you tend to agree with simply because COVID hasn’t affected YOU.

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Anonymous wrote:Wasn’t there recent research from Europe saying either covid or the vaccine (they aren’t sure) ages your blood vessels by 5 years on average—noting the link to vasculitis (among other issues)?

Perhaps that’s why most doctors aren’t recommending it for kids and healthy adults any longer?

FTR I got the original vax and was boosted, but I haven’t opted for continual covid vaccines. I’m also a lifelong liberal who would never vote for a R. But my pediatrician stopped recommending the covid vaccine a while ago based on “the science,” so I feel like research has evolved.

Instead of a knee-jerk reaction, perhaps there is a middle ground?

This is incorrect. The American pediatric assoc and American assoc of gyn and obstetrics both just strongly recommended the covid booster for pregnant women and children because of the wave and danger they are seeing to kids in ER. Just to clarify, those associations are made up of doctors.

The study you are referring to shows that Covid virus (not vaccine) ages vessels, most notably in women.

https://www.heart.org/en/news/2025/01/16/how-the-virus-behind-covid-19-can-harm-your-blood-vessels-and-your-heart

https://erictopol.substack.com/p/covid-and-our-arteries

I think maybe your pediatrician needs a refresher course.

I’m not sure they can effectively determine whether it’s the virus or vax that is problematic.

I know a lot of young women who have developed bizarre health issues since covid. Think: vascular compressions requiring transplants/artery rerouting. These were otherwise healthy girls. There are a limited number of specialists who can do such a surgery, and those specialists can’t pinpoint if it’s the vac or virus that prompted the issue.

My pediatrician group is plugged into the CDC and the latest research. Regardless, commonsense dictates there’s no need to continue to vaccinate healthy kids when covid is presenting like a cold for most people.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wasn’t there recent research from Europe saying either covid or the vaccine (they aren’t sure) ages your blood vessels by 5 years on average—noting the link to vasculitis (among other issues)?

Perhaps that’s why most doctors aren’t recommending it for kids and healthy adults any longer?

FTR I got the original vax and was boosted, but I haven’t opted for continual covid vaccines. I’m also a lifelong liberal who would never vote for a R. But my pediatrician stopped recommending the covid vaccine a while ago based on “the science,” so I feel like research has evolved.

Instead of a knee-jerk reaction, perhaps there is a middle ground?

This is such a sensible response. As a middle aged late woman home right now with my first ever bout of Covid, even I support a common sense, open-minded understanding of this topic. For healthy people, the risks of the vaccines simply do not outweigh the risks of Covid. I don't feel great right now, but it's just a bad cold. I had the first round of shots and no boosters. Too many in the medical community are coming out with new recommendations about the safety and efficacy. I wish people would just be more open-minded instead of jumping right to insults of people who happen to have a different perspective.

Piss off. Your personal experience isn’t “science” and your personal view on the risk to healthy people from the vaccine isn’t either.

I never said anything about my "personal view" on the risk to healthy people. I said that the medical community was moving further and further in this direction. Can you read? And do you even know why America has the most aggressive stance on Covid vaccines for everyone? As opposed to only elderly and high risk people as in the rest of the world? It's because those making the recommendation believe that Americans are too dumb to be able to know if they fall into the recommended category. Again, this is not my personal view. This is the opinion of much of the medical community. Did you know that the official stance of the FDA is to move to recommendations for only those over 64 and those over 6 months with complicating health issues? Not everyone. I'm going to guess that you are in fact not well-read in this area and didn't know that the directors of the FDA have taken this position.

You said, and I quote, “I don’t feel great but it’s just like a bad cold.” That’s a YOU statement. How you personally feel with COVID has no bearing on anything. You’re crediting viewpoints that you tend to agree with simply because COVID hasn’t affected YOU.

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Anonymous wrote:Your title is misleading, OP.

What was wrong with the title aren't they getting rid of it?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wasn’t there recent research from Europe saying either covid or the vaccine (they aren’t sure) ages your blood vessels by 5 years on average—noting the link to vasculitis (among other issues)?

Perhaps that’s why most doctors aren’t recommending it for kids and healthy adults any longer?

FTR I got the original vax and was boosted, but I haven’t opted for continual covid vaccines. I’m also a lifelong liberal who would never vote for a R. But my pediatrician stopped recommending the covid vaccine a while ago based on “the science,” so I feel like research has evolved.

Instead of a knee-jerk reaction, perhaps there is a middle ground?

This is such a sensible response. As a middle aged late woman home right now with my first ever bout of Covid, even I support a common sense, open-minded understanding of this topic. For healthy people, the risks of the vaccines simply do not outweigh the risks of Covid. I don't feel great right now, but it's just a bad cold. I had the first round of shots and no boosters. Too many in the medical community are coming out with new recommendations about the safety and efficacy. I wish people would just be more open-minded instead of jumping right to insults of people who happen to have a different perspective.

Piss off. Your personal experience isn’t “science” and your personal view on the risk to healthy people from the vaccine isn’t either.

I never said anything about my "personal view" on the risk to healthy people. I said that the medical community was moving further and further in this direction. Can you read? And do you even know why America has the most aggressive stance on Covid vaccines for everyone? As opposed to only elderly and high risk people as in the rest of the world? It's because those making the recommendation believe that Americans are too dumb to be able to know if they fall into the recommended category. Again, this is not my personal view. This is the opinion of much of the medical community. Did you know that the official stance of the FDA is to move to recommendations for only those over 64 and those over 6 months with complicating health issues? Not everyone. I'm going to guess that you are in fact not well-read in this area and didn't know that the directors of the FDA have taken this position.

Anonymous wrote:Wasn’t there recent research from Europe saying either covid or the vaccine (they aren’t sure) ages your blood vessels by 5 years on average—noting the link to vasculitis (among other issues)?

Perhaps that’s why most doctors aren’t recommending it for kids and healthy adults any longer?

FTR I got the original vax and was boosted, but I haven’t opted for continual covid vaccines. I’m also a lifelong liberal who would never vote for a R. But my pediatrician stopped recommending the covid vaccine a while ago based on “the science,” so I feel like research has evolved.

Instead of a knee-jerk reaction, perhaps there is a middle ground?

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Anonymous wrote:Here is a reputable source and explains it all:

https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/covid-19/acip-member-critical-covid-vaccines-lead-review

Basically it is a huckster with a degree in management who was put on a fake ACIP by rfk, and the next meeting he plans to “review” mRNA vaccines and covid vaccines and remove them from market.

Got my covid booster a week ago. This is terrible, as we are staring down a covid wave and group most affected (according to ER and hospitalizations) is 0-18.

Source?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wasn’t there recent research from Europe saying either covid or the vaccine (they aren’t sure) ages your blood vessels by 5 years on average—noting the link to vasculitis (among other issues)?

Perhaps that’s why most doctors aren’t recommending it for kids and healthy adults any longer?

FTR I got the original vax and was boosted, but I haven’t opted for continual covid vaccines. I’m also a lifelong liberal who would never vote for a R. But my pediatrician stopped recommending the covid vaccine a while ago based on “the science,” so I feel like research has evolved.

Instead of a knee-jerk reaction, perhaps there is a middle ground?

This is such a sensible response. As a middle aged late woman home right now with my first ever bout of Covid, even I support a common sense, open-minded understanding of this topic. For healthy people, the risks of the vaccines simply do not outweigh the risks of Covid. I don't feel great right now, but it's just a bad cold. I had the first round of shots and no boosters. Too many in the medical community are coming out with new recommendations about the safety and efficacy. I wish people would just be more open-minded instead of jumping right to insults of people who happen to have a different perspective.