Anonymous wrote:I'm over 50 and been through multiple generations of management/HR fads. This one sounds like it is a good 10 years out of date.
Being an elderly worker has equipped me to get through these kind of discussions. I know pretty much exactly what you want me to say and I can regurgitate the appropriate lines as quickly as ChatGPT.

The company exists to return value to its stockholders. I do not believe anything said by upper management or HR. Been lied to enough in my career.
We all know that anything you say can and will be used against you.

Broadcast News (1987) "Well I certainly hope you'll die soon."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6GfysUGVZQ

I said in my Holistic interview when I retire I want to join a paid Board or two and asked how to do that.

I got well it should be planned pre-retirement and company sponsors a few golf outings where you can make connections. I can let you go to once or twice a year. I then said I don’t play golf and I always wanted to learn. Something I wanted to take up in retirement. I get CFO lives near you why don’t you see if he will take you out he is always looking for people to play with as relocated here for work and does not know people.

That’s holistic. And if I get decent the Board does a golf thing after annual meeting and if somewhat decent I could go to that as they let a few members of mgt go.

How would my CEO know I want to learn Golf and join a board in retirement without asking me what I want and me speaking up.

This is the problem people think it is fad or gimmick

I'm over 50 and been through multiple generations of management/HR fads. This one sounds like it is a good 10 years out of date.
Being an elderly worker has equipped me to get through these kind of discussions. I know pretty much exactly what you want me to say and I can regurgitate the appropriate lines as quickly as ChatGPT.

The company exists to return value to its stockholders. I do not believe anything said by upper management or HR. Been lied to enough in my career.
We all know that anything you say can and will be used against you.

Broadcast News (1987) "Well I certainly hope you'll die soon."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6GfysUGVZQ

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Anonymous wrote:I hope you’re joking.

I am not. The one question what job would you like to be at in 5-10 years within this company or outside this company they could not answer

I am like we can’t prepare you if you don’t tell us. Still silence.

I wouldn’t have been able to answer either. I’ve never been very good at knowing what jobs exist, let alone whether I’d want to do them.

If management wanted to help develop my career, it would be most useful to be asked what aspects of my job I enjoy doing, then identify positions within the company (or outside it?) that exist. Or even trying to fit my more obscure interests into my current job (say, I was hired as a legal editor but I love databases; is there a way to fit that in).

I think I’m not the only person who just isn’t temperamentally equipped to know where I want to be in 5 or 10 years.

This. I've never been that way and am late 50s now so don't see that changing. I know I don't want to be a CEO or have a board seat or Porsche convertible. I've been in the same job a dozen years. I'm fine staying in it until retirement in a decade or so. Seems odd to revamp an entire evaluation system because one person left for another job.

We had very high turnover and majority left as they don’t speak up.

For instance I had a young guy quit and we took him out to lunch last day. He tells going to a second tier accounting firm and then work his butt off go get promoted will set him up to be a manager of big four in two years.

So I ask so you are quitting to join a company you plan on quitting to get to company you actually want to work at? He said yes. I go good luck sounds great. Meanwhile I had planned to promote him then I would have picked up phone and got him a job as manager of big four. He did not speak up earlier. Literally he spoke at his exit lunch on last day. This is bad attention. Another person quit as wanted to be more remote her mom in hospice, never shared anything, once again this women wrote a blistering email to HR and cc me. We were literally drafting changed to our policies and now are mainly remote. I could have or HR could have helped.

I been told it takes years to change culture in an office. But these people refusal to talk I don’t get.

Guess what saying you are happy current role and will do that to retirement is fine.