Anonymous
Post 08/04/2025 19:00     Subject: Does DEI include women?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I am a faculty member/chair at a STEM-focused university. From the perspective of the Trump Administration, DEI does include women. We have received guidance from the DOE and DOJ that includes gender within the context of federally-funded grants, admissions programs that consider gender (e.g., recruiting, scholarships, etc.), hiring initiatives, and leadership programs.


Not in the context of college admissions. Girls outperform boys by a mile in colleges.

Higher up in academic settings, yes, women are being discriminated still. Fewer female professors in colleges, even fewer in leadership positions. But I think these positions are currently occupied by a lot of aged male professors, they will be gone in a few years by force of nature. I wouldn't worried too much about DEI for women.


That is not entirely true. Admissions is broader than AO's making decisions about denial/acceptance. I was referring to admissions practices around recruitment/marketing and merit scholarships. For example, we have received guidance that recruitment efforts to increase the number of female applicants in STEM falls under DEI or scholarship earmarked for women-only.



You missed the main point: Girls outperform boys.


The question is does DEI include women? The answer is yes. It doesn't matter if girls outperform boys.
Anonymous
Post 08/04/2025 17:51     Subject: Does DEI include women?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I am a faculty member/chair at a STEM-focused university. From the perspective of the Trump Administration, DEI does include women. We have received guidance from the DOE and DOJ that includes gender within the context of federally-funded grants, admissions programs that consider gender (e.g., recruiting, scholarships, etc.), hiring initiatives, and leadership programs.


Not in the context of college admissions. Girls outperform boys by a mile in colleges.

Higher up in academic settings, yes, women are being discriminated still. Fewer female professors in colleges, even fewer in leadership positions. But I think these positions are currently occupied by a lot of aged male professors, they will be gone in a few years by force of nature. I wouldn't worried too much about DEI for women.


That is not entirely true. Admissions is broader than AO's making decisions about denial/acceptance. I was referring to admissions practices around recruitment/marketing and merit scholarships. For example, we have received guidance that recruitment efforts to increase the number of female applicants in STEM falls under DEI or scholarship earmarked for women-only.



You missed the main point: Girls outperform boys.
Anonymous
Post 08/04/2025 17:45     Subject: Does DEI include women?
So, if we don’t believe that the largely liberal AOs are racists, which they aren’t, let’s take a step about ten years back in the education system to get see if those kids who need the DEI preferences can do without them

Does the DC public school system still suck outside of NW? Start there.
Anonymous
Post 08/04/2025 17:29     Subject: Does DEI include women?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I am a faculty member/chair at a STEM-focused university. From the perspective of the Trump Administration, DEI does include women. We have received guidance from the DOE and DOJ that includes gender within the context of federally-funded grants, admissions programs that consider gender (e.g., recruiting, scholarships, etc.), hiring initiatives, and leadership programs.


Not in the context of college admissions. Girls outperform boys by a mile in colleges.

Higher up in academic settings, yes, women are being discriminated still. Fewer female professors in colleges, even fewer in leadership positions. But I think these positions are currently occupied by a lot of aged male professors, they will be gone in a few years by force of nature. I wouldn't worried too much about DEI for women.


That is not entirely true. Admissions is broader than AO's making decisions about denial/acceptance. I was referring to admissions practices around recruitment/marketing and merit scholarships. For example, we have received guidance that recruitment efforts to increase the number of female applicants in STEM falls under DEI or scholarship earmarked for women-only.

Anonymous
Post 08/04/2025 17:28     Subject: Does DEI include women?
Anonymous wrote:DEI helps everyone. It hurts exactly no one.


The Supreme Court disagrees.
Anonymous
Post 08/04/2025 17:14     Subject: Does DEI include women?
DEI helps everyone. It hurts exactly no one.
Anonymous
Post 08/04/2025 17:11     Subject: Does DEI include women?
Gender is one of 24 factors that UMD considers when making admissions decisions. It’s says this openly on its website, so it must be confident that the Trump administration doesn’t prohibit considering gender in admissions.
Anonymous
Post 08/04/2025 17:00     Subject: Does DEI include women?
SCOTUS has never ruled against gender-based consideration in college admission. So yes, at least for now it's still legal to favor boys over girls in college admissions.
Anonymous
Post 08/04/2025 16:52     Subject: Does DEI include women?
Anonymous wrote:I am a faculty member/chair at a STEM-focused university. From the perspective of the Trump Administration, DEI does include women. We have received guidance from the DOE and DOJ that includes gender within the context of federally-funded grants, admissions programs that consider gender (e.g., recruiting, scholarships, etc.), hiring initiatives, and leadership programs.


Not in the context of college admissions. Girls outperform boys by a mile in colleges.

Higher up in academic settings, yes, women are being discriminated still. Fewer female professors in colleges, even fewer in leadership positions. But I think these positions are currently occupied by a lot of aged male professors, they will be gone in a few years by force of nature. I wouldn't worried too much about DEI for women.
Anonymous
Post 08/04/2025 16:48     Subject: Does DEI include women?
Finally, someone actually answers the OP’s question rather than just spouting off about DEI but not even addressing the question. The OP wanted to know how the Trump settlements could impact admissions, do they prohibit balancing for women. The 16:43 poster says yes.
Anonymous
Post 08/04/2025 16:47     Subject: Does DEI include women?
Anonymous wrote:Help me out here, but from what I have read, the DEI policies seem to be regarding race and not much talk about gender. The only gender issues regarding admission I have seen related to transgender in sports.

So are the new DEI policies related to race or gender? We know that some schools in the past, particularly the Ivies, balance gender as close to 50-50 as possible. I am not certain this is changing going forward.


Yes it does.

Remember the tragic helicopter cash at Regan National Airport this year and Hegseth and Trump called the white woman pilot a "DEI hire"?
Anonymous
Post 08/04/2025 16:43     Subject: Does DEI include women?
I am a faculty member/chair at a STEM-focused university. From the perspective of the Trump Administration, DEI does include women. We have received guidance from the DOE and DOJ that includes gender within the context of federally-funded grants, admissions programs that consider gender (e.g., recruiting, scholarships, etc.), hiring initiatives, and leadership programs.
Anonymous
Post 08/04/2025 16:30     Subject: Does DEI include women?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:In college admissions, DEI only refers to race. There is actually affirmative action for boys at most colleges.

DEI in college admissions also doesn’t help those with disabilities, who are usually advised to not mention disabilities in essays, etc.


The first point is untrue. Most schools are consistent in the gender balance among the total applicant pool, the admitted applicants, and the enrolled students. Most have more women than men in each of those categories.


I'm the PP. I'm simply reporting what several AO's said in interviews that I listened to recently. At a lot of schools boys who are admitted have lower stats than the girls admitted.


This makes sense to me because I have to think schools know it benefits them to have gender ratios as close to 50-50 as doable and yet most have way more girls.
Anonymous
Post 08/04/2025 16:21     Subject: Does DEI include women?
Men are the DEI admits at most schools, not women. Which, in practice, means that nothing will change because the system is benefiting the “right” people in this case.
Anonymous
Post 08/04/2025 13:52     Subject: Does DEI include women?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:In college admissions, DEI only refers to race. There is actually affirmative action for boys at most colleges.

DEI in college admissions also doesn’t help those with disabilities, who are usually advised to not mention disabilities in essays, etc.


The first point is untrue. Most schools are consistent in the gender balance among the total applicant pool, the admitted applicants, and the enrolled students. Most have more women than men in each of those categories.


I'm the PP. I'm simply reporting what several AO's said in interviews that I listened to recently. At a lot of schools boys who are admitted have lower stats than the girls admitted.