Anonymous wrote:This is as stupid a question as:
Why don’t the Israelis oust Netanyahu and declare peace?

this would be a good thing. But the question remains...will the hostages ever return and will Hamas be eradicated? We all know the answer to that don't we? it makes me want to vomit.

Hamas isn't Palestine. But if you're wondering why Palestinians don't just give up and throw themselves at the mercy of Isreal, it's because that's even worse than what's happening now

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Anonymous wrote:The news out of Gaza is horrifying. It has made me think about past wars, and how they ended. During WWII, both Japan and Germany surrendered. They surrendered and threw themselves at the mercy of the victor. I imagine when the US withdrew from S. Vietnam, the government we propped up surrendered to N. Vietnam.

Why doesn't Hamas do this? wouldn't all this horror end if they would? One might not like to lose, but they have lost. War is like that. It is horrible and the strong win.

Hamas has agreed to multiple peace deal starting back in February 2024. Israel has said no, out right reject multiple peace deals, killed the negotiators, killed hostages, invade other countries, starved civilians, murder women and children, bombing elementary schools, hospitals, etc. Israel wants to kill all the Palestinians because only some right wing Jews are considered people. The IDF has said there are no military objectives left in Gaza for over a year and 1/2.

This is a genocide of Israelis choosing. During Oct7 Israel used tanks and artillery on Israeli civilians vs negotiate with under 100 fighters. Israel is evil. Try to stay informed about what is going on in Israel.

I think a peace deal is different than surrender? Surrender is when you admit that your country now belongs to the victor and they can do what they want. You throw yourself at the victor's mercy. I think if Hamas through themselves on the victor's mercy, other nations would put a lot of pressure on Israel to bring in tons of food.

Maybe? But also lots of public statements that once Israel stops flighting Palestinians will be “invited” to leave and settlers will move in. That indicates to me the following choices:

- continued starvation and hope the world community will finally exert enough influence to stop the cruelty

Or

- giving up their nation / home without any assurances of what will happen to the individually or as a people. This means putting their faith in the other side who has killed and starved them (there is no trust)

You leftist cucks are morons. Palestinians are hamas. That is their chosen government.

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Anonymous wrote:Terrorists don’t surrender.

No because they feel their lives are more important than the Palestinians. They are now looting the aid coming in. Shocking.

Maybe Israel can take a break from genocide and target those alleged looters (which of course has already been debunked in this week’s news)?

You can’t answer for Hamas’ terrorism by deflecting to Israel. This is how this nightmare started. Each side points out the atrocities of the other. It is literally both sides suck!

This is as stupid a question as:
Why don’t the Israelis oust Netanyahu and declare peace?

Anonymous wrote:Hamas doesn’t care if Palestinians die. The suffering of their people improves its position in the West.

If Hamas has no one to rule over they have nowhere to go. It’s self sabotage.

Anonymous wrote:The news out of Gaza is horrifying. It has made me think about past wars, and how they ended. During WWII, both Japan and Germany surrendered. They surrendered and threw themselves at the mercy of the victor. I imagine when the US withdrew from S. Vietnam, the government we propped up surrendered to N. Vietnam.

Why doesn't Hamas do this? wouldn't all this horror end if they would? One might not like to lose, but they have lost. War is like that. It is horrible and the strong win.

It took bombs dropped on Japan for them to surrender. Germany fought to the bitter end even though it meant destroying their country.

Right now Israel are the aggressors who are systematically eliminating Palestinian citizens, children, women, the elderly with their bombs, guns, and denying them food and medicine causing the kind of suffering that everyone should fear. If they surrender tomorrow Israel will continue stealth elimination of Palestinians so that there won’t be enough Palestinians to sustain a country. That’s the goal of Israel and the extremist crowds are dreaming of the day when the last Palestinian has been shot to death.

Hamas doesn’t care if Palestinians die. The suffering of their people improves its position in the West.

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Anonymous wrote:The news out of Gaza is horrifying. It has made me think about past wars, and how they ended. During WWII, both Japan and Germany surrendered. They surrendered and threw themselves at the mercy of the victor. I imagine when the US withdrew from S. Vietnam, the government we propped up surrendered to N. Vietnam.

Why doesn't Hamas do this? wouldn't all this horror end if they would? One might not like to lose, but they have lost. War is like that. It is horrible and the strong win.

Hamas has agreed to multiple peace deal starting back in February 2024. Israel has said no, out right reject multiple peace deals, killed the negotiators, killed hostages, invade other countries, starved civilians, murder women and children, bombing elementary schools, hospitals, etc. Israel wants to kill all the Palestinians because only some right wing Jews are considered people. The IDF has said there are no military objectives left in Gaza for over a year and 1/2.

This is a genocide of Israelis choosing. During Oct7 Israel used tanks and artillery on Israeli civilians vs negotiate with under 100 fighters. Israel is evil. Try to stay informed about what is going on in Israel.

I think a peace deal is different than surrender? Surrender is when you admit that your country now belongs to the victor and they can do what they want. You throw yourself at the victor's mercy. I think if Hamas through themselves on the victor's mercy, other nations would put a lot of pressure on Israel to bring in tons of food.

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Anonymous wrote:Hamas only cares about self preservation as the institution that controls the power in Gaza. Nothing else matters to them. Nothing. Why would they ever surrender?

for the same reason that the germans and japanese surrendered? because they recognize they lost and want to stop the suffereing of innocents?

Germany and Japan weren't defending against a genocide.

Oh my goodness. It’s is not the same as WWII in any way. In WWII the victors were able to negotiate with well structured militaries with clear command structures.

Look at the photos coming out of Gaza. You think there is a clear command structure to negotiate with? It is clearly devolving into Haiti where you have roving gangs who shoot at incoming planes randomly compounded by starvation which has to only add to a pressure cooker situation.

And Hamas was a few things but certainly not a well organized military or political party like Germany.

Regardless: Hamas’ sticking point is that they want Israel not to push Palestinians out of Gaza. They readily admit to being willing to hand over the hostages. But it is Israel who will not agree to any reasonable terms.

If Israel was sincere about peace they would help supposed a Palestinian opposition party.

Anonymous wrote:The news out of Gaza is horrifying. It has made me think about past wars, and how they ended. During WWII, both Japan and Germany surrendered. They surrendered and threw themselves at the mercy of the victor. I imagine when the US withdrew from S. Vietnam, the government we propped up surrendered to N. Vietnam.

Why doesn't Hamas do this? wouldn't all this horror end if they would? One might not like to lose, but they have lost. War is like that. It is horrible and the strong win.

Hamas has agreed to multiple peace deal starting back in February 2024. Israel has said no, out right reject multiple peace deals, killed the negotiators, killed hostages, invade other countries, starved civilians, murder women and children, bombing elementary schools, hospitals, etc. Israel wants to kill all the Palestinians because only some right wing Jews are considered people. The IDF has said there are no military objectives left in Gaza for over a year and 1/2.

This is a genocide of Israelis choosing. During Oct7 Israel used tanks and artillery on Israeli civilians vs negotiate with under 100 fighters. Israel is evil. Try to stay informed about what is going on in Israel.

Does Hamas even still exist?

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Anonymous wrote:The news out of Gaza is horrifying. It has made me think about past wars, and how they ended. During WWII, both Japan and Germany surrendered. They surrendered and threw themselves at the mercy of the victor. I imagine when the US withdrew from S. Vietnam, the government we propped up surrendered to N. Vietnam.

Why doesn't Hamas do this? wouldn't all this horror end if they would? One might not like to lose, but they have lost. War is like that. It is horrible and the strong win.

You need to think a little more. There are wars where the losers did not accept defeat. A good example was Paraguay v Brazil:

https://www.britannica.com/event/War-of-the-Triple-Alliance

"The Paraguayan people had been fanatically committed to López and the war effort, and as a result they fought to the point of dissolution. The war left Paraguay utterly prostrate; its prewar population of approximately 525,000 was reduced to about 221,000 in 1871, of which only about 28,000 were men. During the war the Paraguayans suffered not only from the enemy but also from malnutrition, disease, and the domination of López, who tortured and killed countless numbers. "

but isn't this just another example of why, when you lose a war, you should surrender?