Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I lost it with my boss once. I didn't curse but I interrupted him and raised my voice. One time in over a decade. I never apologized. He was being a jerk. He still promoted me a few years later but I should have left because he is even more of a jerk now.
That’s fine in that context
Doesn't sound that different from OP's situation to me but neither of us have shared every detail. In my case my boss clearly expected an apology, but I was really mad at him, so I did not give it to him. We moved on. I feel a little guilty about it years later because of course nobody deserves to be spoken over or yelled at in the workplace. But I also feel it would not have benefited me to apologize, as I think to him it would have made him feel he was right in being a jerk and he wasn't. It sounds like OP's boss wasn't listening to her and it was a similar situation with me.
I am a woman and a minority. I often face disrespect and occasionally outright abuse in the workplace from my boss and other high level people. It's clear the White men are afforded a level of respect, right from the beginning, that I do not get. I simply do not look like the type of person they expect to be doing my job, though I do it extremely well (as my boss acknowledges). I wish I worked in a place that was more collegial towards women, but I don't. I have to demand the same treatment they give to other people without question, or I get treated worse.
Anonymous wrote:I would open with an apology. I'm so sorry I lost my temper and yelled at you - you absolutely didn't deserve that , and it wasn't professional of me at all. I promise it won't happen again.
Then let them say whatever they want and then move on to work-related issues.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I lost it with my boss once. I didn't curse but I interrupted him and raised my voice. One time in over a decade. I never apologized. He was being a jerk. He still promoted me a few years later but I should have left because he is even more of a jerk now.
That’s fine in that context
Anonymous wrote:Other posters have this entertaining idea that morality and courtesy come into it. They don't.
All that matters is whether you think your boss will respect you more if you apologize, or if you don't. Most workplaces do not tolerate women who yell and curse, and that's just a fact of life. Some workplaces tolerate men who do the same.
So with your knowledge of your boss, decide on your conduct.
Anonymous wrote:Other posters have this entertaining idea that morality and courtesy come into it. They don't.
All that matters is whether you think your boss will respect you more if you apologize, or if you don't. Most workplaces do not tolerate women who yell and curse, and that's just a fact of life. Some workplaces tolerate men who do the same.
So with your knowledge of your boss, decide on your conduct.
Anonymous wrote:Yeah, yelling and dropping f bombs at work is not okay no matter how incompetent someone is. You need to totally drop the “but I was right” attitude and go into the meeting in full apology mode and not try to defend yourself or bring up whatever he did to offend you other than to say “I know I was 100% in the wrong and would appreciate your help figuring out how to best raise issues more constructively in the future” and act like you mean it.
Anonymous wrote:I lost it with my boss once. I didn't curse but I interrupted him and raised my voice. One time in over a decade. I never apologized. He was being a jerk. He still promoted me a few years later but I should have left because he is even more of a jerk now.
Anonymous wrote:I would open with an apology. I'm so sorry I lost my temper and yelled at you - you absolutely didn't deserve that , and it wasn't professional of me at all. I promise it won't happen again.
Then let them say whatever they want and then move on to work-related issues.