Anonymous
07/17/2025 08:37
Subject: Any recourse for kids skipped on ladder for Divisionals?
I think I know who this is. Didn’t that kid want Free and IM. And they are swimming free and IM.
I understand the coach asked him to do a different stroke, but after his parent complained he was put in free as requested.
I understand the coach asked him to do a different stroke, but after his parent complained he was put in free as requested.
Anonymous
07/17/2025 08:35
Subject: Re:Any recourse for kids skipped on ladder for Divisionals?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I would be pissed. The entire season is team first without a doubt…you swim where you are needed and you don’t complain. There is zero team element in NVSL Divisionals. It is about placing high as an individual and trying to be top 18 to make All Stars. So yes the fastest kids in each event (can only do 2) should get first pick. Selfish and rotten move by the coach and team reps.
+1
Totally agree. I would also be pissed if my kid with a top time that they earned, was pushed aside at divisionals just to give another kid a chance to swim divisionals. B meets are where kids get a chance to swim regardless of time.
Now I can see maybe doing this if there is an age group where moving kids around means the team won't have lanes they can't fill, but this mostly happens when the kids they are moving will likely finish low anyway. But still if a kid really does not want to move events they should not have to do so.
And no there is no formal complaint process through NVSl as they have no rules oh now coaches have to pick swimmer for meets. This is something you could take to your pool board.
+1. NVSL Divisionals are individual. The ladder should be followed and higher ranked swimmers given first choice. However, at our pool the team reps and pool board members almost all have slower swimmers who barely make half the A meets, much less Divisionals so it’s not like they would be inclined to care.
Anonymous
07/17/2025 08:29
Subject: Any recourse for kids skipped on ladder for Divisionals?
If your kid had a shot at All Stars or breaking a record at divisionals, would you be saying they should sacrifice their earned slot because another kid would be upset he doesn't get to go to divisionals at all if he didn't? Seriously?
Anonymous
07/17/2025 08:27
Subject: Re:Any recourse for kids skipped on ladder for Divisionals?
Anonymous wrote:I would be pissed. The entire season is team first without a doubt…you swim where you are needed and you don’t complain. There is zero team element in NVSL Divisionals. It is about placing high as an individual and trying to be top 18 to make All Stars. So yes the fastest kids in each event (can only do 2) should get first pick. Selfish and rotten move by the coach and team reps.
+1
Totally agree. I would also be pissed if my kid with a top time that they earned, was pushed aside at divisionals just to give another kid a chance to swim divisionals. B meets are where kids get a chance to swim regardless of time.
Now I can see maybe doing this if there is an age group where moving kids around means the team won't have lanes they can't fill, but this mostly happens when the kids they are moving will likely finish low anyway. But still if a kid really does not want to move events they should not have to do so.
And no there is no formal complaint process through NVSl as they have no rules oh now coaches have to pick swimmer for meets. This is something you could take to your pool board.
Anonymous
07/17/2025 08:08
Subject: Any recourse for kids skipped on ladder for Divisionals?
Anonymous wrote:Teach them to have a little perspective.
+1000. This is a chance for the parents of passed-over kid to teach some maturity and grace. Coaches made a choice (and kid knows more than they should about it, too). Kid needs to respect the decision even if they don't agree with it and do the best they can with the opportunity they have been given. Life does things like this a lot (so does one's workplace). Chafing and arguing doesn't typically yield good results. Finding a positive path forward does.
Anonymous
07/17/2025 08:06
Subject: Re:Any recourse for kids skipped on ladder for Divisionals?
I would be pissed. The entire season is team first without a doubt…you swim where you are needed and you don’t complain. There is zero team element in NVSL Divisionals. It is about placing high as an individual and trying to be top 18 to make All Stars. So yes the fastest kids in each event (can only do 2) should get first pick. Selfish and rotten move by the coach and team reps.
Anonymous
07/17/2025 08:05
Subject: Any recourse for kids skipped on ladder for Divisionals?
OP you are also missing the importance of giving more kids the opportunity to swim at divisionals. It doesn’t just benefit that kid, it also gives the team more leeway in case of no shows/scratches because then they have alternates for other strokes, whereas if you just have kids who are “pure” alternates then those kids might not get to swim.
Anonymous
07/17/2025 08:02
Subject: Any recourse for kids skipped on ladder for Divisionals?
Anonymous wrote:OP again, not my kid, but wondering if there is any NVSL complaint process for this.
Is there even a way to make this complaint without coming across as selfish? This kid didn't swim his desired event so another kid could attend. It's summer swim. Summer swim is about the team experience. Club swim seems like a better fit. I would also advise this swimmer that high school and college swimming would be a very disappointing and frustrating experience given his insistence on individual over team.
Anonymous
07/17/2025 08:02
Subject: Any recourse for kids skipped on ladder for Divisionals?
Just quit the team and sign up for the event as an individual not associated with a team. Easy peasy.
Anonymous
07/17/2025 08:01
Subject: Any recourse for kids skipped on ladder for Divisionals?
Anonymous wrote:Even at INDIVIDUAL year end events, with no team points attached? The kids' one chance to swim what they want, supposedly?
What are you even talking about? Divisionals are absolutely for the team’s benefit because that is how they seed the divisions next year.
Is your kid going to potentially miss out on an All Stars cut because of this? Because that is the only possible reason I could see being upset about this.
Anonymous
07/17/2025 07:59
Subject: Any recourse for kids skipped on ladder for Divisionals?
So your kid still gets to swim at divisionals? Just not their preferred stroke?
You sound high maintenance. There could be any number of reasons why a divisional meet gets seeded this way. Though it appears that a kid gets “skipped” on a ladder, it might just make more sense to have them swim another stroke. Don’t take it personally.
You sound high maintenance. There could be any number of reasons why a divisional meet gets seeded this way. Though it appears that a kid gets “skipped” on a ladder, it might just make more sense to have them swim another stroke. Don’t take it personally.
Anonymous
07/17/2025 07:58
Subject: Any recourse for kids skipped on ladder for Divisionals?
I think the only recourse is having an adult conversation (not you- the parents) with the coach or team rep about what happened. The family should have clarity if this is the way the team wants to operate. If they don’t like it, they need to move pools. Nvsl is not going to care.
Anonymous
07/17/2025 07:53
Subject: Any recourse for kids skipped on ladder for Divisionals?
If it was not my kid, I would not be so involved! But I would be asking for more clarity for future years, I agree this sounds annoying. At our pool the kids choose their event based on the ladder, like you said it is an individual event.
Anonymous
07/17/2025 07:48
Subject: Any recourse for kids skipped on ladder for Divisionals?
Anonymous wrote:OP again, not my kid, but wondering if there is any NVSL complaint process for this.
I can’t even.
Anonymous
07/17/2025 07:48
Subject: Any recourse for kids skipped on ladder for Divisionals?
Teach them to have a little perspective.