One thing I'm seeing that's common on both boys and girls ECNL sides. Is ECNL parents or supporters making unfounded negative statements about other leagues/clubs.

"otherwise, but showing up as a C student at Georgetown or Duke is not happening. This is part of the reason so few SYC kids go to D1 schools. Lack of focus on academics."

The SYC parent was right to call them out saying how would you know the grades SYC players get.

ECNL must hand a playbook out to new parents telling them to accuse other clubs and leagues of something that you have no proof of.

Anonymous wrote:Even the best boys clubs can’t get players into Division 1 colleges right now. Those stats seem to be a long way from the truth

Often said but not the case at all. Lots of D1 boys commits. Not as many as once witht he internationals but there are still a lot.

Even the best boys clubs can’t get players into Division 1 colleges right now. Those stats seem to be a long way from the truth

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Anonymous wrote:One thing that seems to get lost in this whole discussion is that soccer is not football or basketball. Talent alone does not get you a spot, particularly at a D1 school. You need the grades. Sure, if you're borderline, maybe it pushes you into a school you wouldn't get admission to otherwise, but showing up as a C student at Georgetown or Duke is not happening. This is part of the reason so few SYC kids go to D1 schools. Lack of focus on academics.

How do you know the academic status of all SYC kids year over year?

You don't have to know their academic status of all their kids to see they are lagging in this area. That has not been a strong suite for them. They did have a college advisor talk to the kids this year, but college placement doesn't seem to be the overriding focus of the club or families there.

Show the numbers or you're just blowing hot air

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Anonymous wrote:One thing that seems to get lost in this whole discussion is that soccer is not football or basketball. Talent alone does not get you a spot, particularly at a D1 school. You need the grades. Sure, if you're borderline, maybe it pushes you into a school you wouldn't get admission to otherwise, but showing up as a C student at Georgetown or Duke is not happening. This is part of the reason so few SYC kids go to D1 schools. Lack of focus on academics.

How do you know the academic status of all SYC kids year over year?

You don't have to know their academic status of all their kids to see they are lagging in this area. That has not been a strong suite for them. They did have a college advisor talk to the kids this year, but college placement doesn't seem to be the overriding focus of the club or families there.

Anonymous wrote:One thing that seems to get lost in this whole discussion is that soccer is not football or basketball. Talent alone does not get you a spot, particularly at a D1 school. You need the grades. Sure, if you're borderline, maybe it pushes you into a school you wouldn't get admission to otherwise, but showing up as a C student at Georgetown or Duke is not happening. This is part of the reason so few SYC kids go to D1 schools. Lack of focus on academics.

How do you know the academic status of all SYC kids year over year?

One thing that seems to get lost in this whole discussion is that soccer is not football or basketball. Talent alone does not get you a spot, particularly at a D1 school. You need the grades. Sure, if you're borderline, maybe it pushes you into a school you wouldn't get admission to otherwise, but showing up as a C student at Georgetown or Duke is not happening. This is part of the reason so few SYC kids go to D1 schools. Lack of focus on academics.

Anonymous wrote:The biggest flaw in this is it doesn't include the share going professional, surely a route that would be part of "not college soccer" MLSN clearly HAS that segment. Unclear whether ECNL really does. THAT certainly would change how to view this.

The not playing college soccer looks vastly different for ECNL vs MLS Next most likely as noted. ECNL has something like 25 go in the draft (as reported by ECNL). MLS probably had 10x that. The not playing is probably a mix of doing nothing with soccer and just going to school (ECNL and Next) and going pro (MLS)

For college I suspect they are pretty even at 60% as suggested by the data—especially once you remove the pro MLS contingent from the mix…

Anonymous wrote:The biggest flaw in this is it doesn't include the share going professional, surely a route that would be part of "not college soccer" MLSN clearly HAS that segment. Unclear whether ECNL really does. THAT certainly would change how to view this.

Good point. Where do those kids get put.