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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote: It was so strong and quick and knew how to lower its head and charge and then quickly change direction and twist its body around to get to my dogs flank. It was sort of fascinating to watch how skilled it was

Are you new to dogs? This is literally any breed play fighting. They'll usually sort by size/type, though I've seen some "kneebiter" type dogs take on dogs much larger with rather hilarious results. It's not a "pit bull" thing, it's a dog thing.

This is not true of all dogs, no. My dog plays with tons of dogs and I’ve had dogs of various breeds throughout my life.

No, you haven't. Troll better. This is quintessential dog "playfighting" behavior, across breeds. I've had yorkies that do this, and labs that do this, and a dane who tried but was so dang big that the logistics were just goofy. The intent, however, was the same. This is how dogs playfight. It's not all play; some dogs don't like to playfight (or have been trained not to), and not all play is playfighting. But when they do, it's this, across breeds.

No, I’ve had dogs for years. I’ve watched many play fight. This dog was faster, more twisty and stronger. That’s the point.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I spent some years fostering pregnant dogs and care for their puppies, and train them up for adoption.

All the puppies turned out to be pit mixes with non-pit mothers, except one litter that looked all lab.

Every puppy was trainable, affectionate and docile once taught boundaries.

The beagles mixes were by far the LOUDEST

If you train a pit well they're not going to be more or less dangerous than any other breed.

That’s the problem. So many pits are not well trained. They’re not the products partnerships between ethical breeders and responsible, knowledgeable, disciplined owners.

So many people who own dogs these days have the exact same behavioral/training/ignorance issues, but think it's fine because "it's not a pit bull".

A yippy little kneebiters is going to cause problems one day, and a bigger dog is going to get blamed for reacting appropriately in dog because some ignorant owner didn't bother to properly train or handle their "not a pit bull". This problem is multi-faceted, and anyone smart about dogs already knows that.

Gone are the days of "partnerships between ethical breeders and responsible, knowledgeable, disciplined owners", PP. Sad, but true. Just look at all the neurotic fast-cash-grab "-doodles" there are.

I don’t disagree but if a poorly trained doodle misbehaves, it’s probably digging a hole in someone’s yard or being snappy. But it’s not mauling someone

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote: It was so strong and quick and knew how to lower its head and charge and then quickly change direction and twist its body around to get to my dogs flank. It was sort of fascinating to watch how skilled it was

Are you new to dogs? This is literally any breed play fighting. They'll usually sort by size/type, though I've seen some "kneebiter" type dogs take on dogs much larger with rather hilarious results. It's not a "pit bull" thing, it's a dog thing.

This is not true of all dogs, no. My dog plays with tons of dogs and I’ve had dogs of various breeds throughout my life.

No, you haven't. Troll better. This is quintessential dog "playfighting" behavior, across breeds. I've had yorkies that do this, and labs that do this, and a dane who tried but was so dang big that the logistics were just goofy. The intent, however, was the same. This is how dogs playfight. It's not all play; some dogs don't like to playfight (or have been trained not to), and not all play is playfighting. But when they do, it's this, across breeds.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I spent some years fostering pregnant dogs and care for their puppies, and train them up for adoption.

All the puppies turned out to be pit mixes with non-pit mothers, except one litter that looked all lab.

Every puppy was trainable, affectionate and docile once taught boundaries.

The beagles mixes were by far the LOUDEST

If you train a pit well they're not going to be more or less dangerous than any other breed.

Exactly, but good luck making sense on this thread (or anywhere else in the pets forum, really).

If you train a pit well they're not going to be more or less dangerous than any other breed.

How do you know this? What’s your data? Unfortunately I think you want to believe this, but I don’t think it’s true

Since you're just here to troll, take the inverse and go first: "a pit is more dangerous than any other breed" (which seems to be your premise/bias). How do you know this? What’s your data? Unfortunately I think you want to believe this, but it's simply not true.

A trained dog is a trained dog. An untrained dog of any breed is a liability.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The dog was blue gray with a lithe longer body and a classic Pitt bull head/jaw. They were just playing and wrestling, and my dog had a good time, but I could see how quickly the dog could seriously hurt any animal it wanted to. It was so strong and quick and knew how to lower its head and charge and then quickly change direction and twist its body around to get to my dogs flank. It was sort of fascinating to watch how skilled it was (and it was a beautiful dog, and only playing thankfully).

I could see how people claim these dogs are built for fighting.

So what’s the answer? Some of the areas around where I live ban Pitt bulls. I know some people probably don’t think that’s fair, but I’m not sure.

Fwiw the owner adopted the dog from Alabama and was told it was a ‘lab mix’. He laughed because he said obviously that was somewhat misleading.

Keep an eye on your dog or leave when the pitbull "mixes" show up.

You don't want your dog to get mauled by one.

Anyone who cares about their dog(s) will avoid "dog parks" on principle alone. Unsafe environments populated with ignorant (at best) owners and poorly-trained animals.

People who avoid dog parks tend to have issues IME. Dog parks are awesome

Vets, trainers, and more-experienced owners all disagree, but go off

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The dog was blue gray with a lithe longer body and a classic Pitt bull head/jaw. They were just playing and wrestling, and my dog had a good time, but I could see how quickly the dog could seriously hurt any animal it wanted to. It was so strong and quick and knew how to lower its head and charge and then quickly change direction and twist its body around to get to my dogs flank. It was sort of fascinating to watch how skilled it was (and it was a beautiful dog, and only playing thankfully).

I could see how people claim these dogs are built for fighting.

So what’s the answer? Some of the areas around where I live ban Pitt bulls. I know some people probably don’t think that’s fair, but I’m not sure.

Fwiw the owner adopted the dog from Alabama and was told it was a ‘lab mix’. He laughed because he said obviously that was somewhat misleading.

Keep an eye on your dog or leave when the pitbull "mixes" show up.

You don't want your dog to get mauled by one.

Anyone who cares about their dog(s) will avoid "dog parks" on principle alone. Unsafe environments populated with ignorant (at best) owners and poorly-trained animals.

People who avoid dog parks tend to have issues IME. Dog parks are awesome

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I spent some years fostering pregnant dogs and care for their puppies, and train them up for adoption.

All the puppies turned out to be pit mixes with non-pit mothers, except one litter that looked all lab.

Every puppy was trainable, affectionate and docile once taught boundaries.

The beagles mixes were by far the LOUDEST

If you train a pit well they're not going to be more or less dangerous than any other breed.

Exactly, but good luck making sense on this thread (or anywhere else in the pets forum, really).

If you train a pit well they're not going to be more or less dangerous than any other breed.

How do you know this? What’s your data? Unfortunately I think you want to believe this, but I don’t think it’s true

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote: It was so strong and quick and knew how to lower its head and charge and then quickly change direction and twist its body around to get to my dogs flank. It was sort of fascinating to watch how skilled it was

Are you new to dogs? This is literally any breed play fighting. They'll usually sort by size/type, though I've seen some "kneebiter" type dogs take on dogs much larger with rather hilarious results. It's not a "pit bull" thing, it's a dog thing.

This is not true of all dogs, no. My dog plays with tons of dogs and I’ve had dogs of various breeds throughout my life.

Anonymous wrote:I own a pit bull. He was a street dog I found with a thick collar and chain dragging behind him. He hopped right in my car as I opened the door. I was afraid the chain would catch on a bush and he’d get stuck and die of dehydration or the wrong people would get to him. I intended to bring him to the humane society the next day but quickly realized almost nobody would adopt a middle aged male brown pit bull. I’ve had him a year. He was a nervous dog when I found him who is now super friendly and frequents the dog park. He has no interest in fighting other dogs and will run away if they try to attack him. With that said the way they are treated and disposed of so often I think breeding them should be banned. Let the breed die out. Too many people don’t want them or want to abuse them.

If breeding any breed of dogs without a license cost significant fines, only responsible, reputable breeders would put in the work to do it right. The practice of indiscriminately breeding dogs for profit would stop and both the dog and human populations would be better for it.

Make it so.

I own a pit bull. He was a street dog I found with a thick collar and chain dragging behind him. He hopped right in my car as I opened the door. I was afraid the chain would catch on a bush and he’d get stuck and die of dehydration or the wrong people would get to him. I intended to bring him to the humane society the next day but quickly realized almost nobody would adopt a middle aged male brown pit bull. I’ve had him a year. He was a nervous dog when I found him who is now super friendly and frequents the dog park. He has no interest in fighting other dogs and will run away if they try to attack him. With that said the way they are treated and disposed of so often I think breeding them should be banned. Let the breed die out. Too many people don’t want them or want to abuse them.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The dog was blue gray with a lithe longer body and a classic Pitt bull head/jaw. They were just playing and wrestling, and my dog had a good time, but I could see how quickly the dog could seriously hurt any animal it wanted to. It was so strong and quick and knew how to lower its head and charge and then quickly change direction and twist its body around to get to my dogs flank. It was sort of fascinating to watch how skilled it was (and it was a beautiful dog, and only playing thankfully).

I could see how people claim these dogs are built for fighting.

So what’s the answer? Some of the areas around where I live ban Pitt bulls. I know some people probably don’t think that’s fair, but I’m not sure.

Fwiw the owner adopted the dog from Alabama and was told it was a ‘lab mix’. He laughed because he said obviously that was somewhat misleading.

Keep an eye on your dog or leave when the pitbull "mixes" show up.

You don't want your dog to get mauled by one.

Anyone who cares about their dog(s) will avoid "dog parks" on principle alone. Unsafe environments populated with ignorant (at best) owners and poorly-trained animals.

True words.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I spent some years fostering pregnant dogs and care for their puppies, and train them up for adoption.

All the puppies turned out to be pit mixes with non-pit mothers, except one litter that looked all lab.

Every puppy was trainable, affectionate and docile once taught boundaries.

The beagles mixes were by far the LOUDEST

If you train a pit well they're not going to be more or less dangerous than any other breed.

That’s the problem. So many pits are not well trained. They’re not the products partnerships between ethical breeders and responsible, knowledgeable, disciplined owners.

So many people who own dogs these days have the exact same behavioral/training/ignorance issues, but think it's fine because "it's not a pit bull".

A yippy little kneebiters is going to cause problems one day, and a bigger dog is going to get blamed for reacting appropriately in dog because some ignorant owner didn't bother to properly train or handle their "not a pit bull". This problem is multi-faceted, and anyone smart about dogs already knows that.

Gone are the days of "partnerships between ethical breeders and responsible, knowledgeable, disciplined owners", PP. Sad, but true. Just look at all the neurotic fast-cash-grab "-doodles" there are.

Unlike pitts and pit mixes, doodles and ankle biters aren't known for mauling or killing children and old people, so...

As predicted... here comes the baseless anti-pit rhetoric that has been thoroughly debunked on multiple threads already, but we need to have this same conversation every month or so. Someone will cite clickbait news as facts, misinterpret and/or misrepresent stats, make ridiculous claims about how golden retrievers never bite, argue that it's totally fine for some dog owners to have ill-bred, ill-raised, poorly controlled animals because chihuahuas/yorkies/miniwhatevers can't kill, as if all dog owners shouldn't be expected to be fully responsible for their dog, of any breed, at all times (which is already the law in most places)...

If you want to reduce the frequency of dog bite incidents, breed legislation and paranoia aren't the way to do it or they'd have worked already; these things aren't new. Log off DCUM and go lobby for better registration and licensing policies for all dog owners, including full liability insurance and a fine structure that funds improved enforcement of the better policies and also better education for owners/would-be owners. Demand that anyone breeding any kind of dog obtain a special license class to do so and require them to show some sort of responsibility for the animals they're creating. Nothing changes if nothing changes.

These threads never go anywhere worth going, which is the point. Shitposters gonna shitpost, and this one stunk from the start. It's so tiresome. Truly. Just go read the eleventy-seven threads we've already been through. Nothing about this is new, or smart, or beneficial to either side.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I spent some years fostering pregnant dogs and care for their puppies, and train them up for adoption.

All the puppies turned out to be pit mixes with non-pit mothers, except one litter that looked all lab.

Every puppy was trainable, affectionate and docile once taught boundaries.

The beagles mixes were by far the LOUDEST

If you train a pit well they're not going to be more or less dangerous than any other breed.

That’s the problem. So many pits are not well trained. They’re not the products partnerships between ethical breeders and responsible, knowledgeable, disciplined owners.

So many people who own dogs these days have the exact same behavioral/training/ignorance issues, but think it's fine because "it's not a pit bull".

A yippy little kneebiters is going to cause problems one day, and a bigger dog is going to get blamed for reacting appropriately in dog because some ignorant owner didn't bother to properly train or handle their "not a pit bull". This problem is multi-faceted, and anyone smart about dogs already knows that.

Gone are the days of "partnerships between ethical breeders and responsible, knowledgeable, disciplined owners", PP. Sad, but true. Just look at all the neurotic fast-cash-grab "-doodles" there are.

Unlike pitts and pit mixes, doodles and ankle biters aren't known for mauling or killing children and old people, so...

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I spent some years fostering pregnant dogs and care for their puppies, and train them up for adoption.

All the puppies turned out to be pit mixes with non-pit mothers, except one litter that looked all lab.

Every puppy was trainable, affectionate and docile once taught boundaries.

The beagles mixes were by far the LOUDEST

If you train a pit well they're not going to be more or less dangerous than any other breed.

That’s the problem. So many pits are not well trained. They’re not the products partnerships between ethical breeders and responsible, knowledgeable, disciplined owners.

So many people who own dogs these days have the exact same behavioral/training/ignorance issues, but think it's fine because "it's not a pit bull".

A yippy little kneebiters is going to cause problems one day, and a bigger dog is going to get blamed for reacting appropriately in dog because some ignorant owner didn't bother to properly train or handle their "not a pit bull". This problem is multi-faceted, and anyone smart about dogs already knows that.

Gone are the days of "partnerships between ethical breeders and responsible, knowledgeable, disciplined owners", PP. Sad, but true. Just look at all the neurotic fast-cash-grab "-doodles" there are.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The dog was blue gray with a lithe longer body and a classic Pitt bull head/jaw. They were just playing and wrestling, and my dog had a good time, but I could see how quickly the dog could seriously hurt any animal it wanted to. It was so strong and quick and knew how to lower its head and charge and then quickly change direction and twist its body around to get to my dogs flank. It was sort of fascinating to watch how skilled it was (and it was a beautiful dog, and only playing thankfully).

I could see how people claim these dogs are built for fighting.

So what’s the answer? Some of the areas around where I live ban Pitt bulls. I know some people probably don’t think that’s fair, but I’m not sure.

Fwiw the owner adopted the dog from Alabama and was told it was a ‘lab mix’. He laughed because he said obviously that was somewhat misleading.

Keep an eye on your dog or leave when the pitbull "mixes" show up.

You don't want your dog to get mauled by one.

Anyone who cares about their dog(s) will avoid "dog parks" on principle alone. Unsafe environments populated with ignorant (at best) owners and poorly-trained animals.

Good point.