Nobody separates the Ivies like the psychos on dcum. lol They are all regarded highly, as are the other T10/20s.

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Anonymous wrote:in terms of education rigor, quality of peer group, faculty, campus experience, research opportunities, employment outcome, networks…but just not as prestigious? We want very high-stat DC to apply to the best quality schools without wasting REA/ED for the brand name

Anything in top 50 works.

Was coming here to say this - except I was thinking top 30 LAC and top 30 universities. It’s really shades of grey across those in terms of academic rigor and quality education - obviously the big names have more well known alum, faculty, and name recognition.

The biggest problem you run into is that if you go to a top 30 or 50 school odds are the HR screener went to a community college. That person will recognize Harvard but maybe not Bates nor necessarily know that Johns Hopkins or Notre Dame are great school. In my personal life I basically know no one who didn’t go to a top school. Professionally, I can 90% of the time tell if someone went to a tier 3-4 school in just brief interactions.

You’ll get a quality education at most of the top 30-50ish, maybe even better depending on major than at the highest ranked schools, but there are obviously other factors that make those top ranked school more desirable and peerless.

The key is in the kid, not in the school. If that kid has all it takes, they will stand out in the real world no matter the SAME kid goes to T5 or T5000.

Rice, UT Plan II, UT McCombs Honors, if you're OK with Texas

Anonymous wrote:in terms of education rigor, quality of peer group, faculty, campus experience, research opportunities, employment outcome, networks…but just not as prestigious? We want very high-stat DC to apply to the best quality schools without wasting REA/ED for the brand name

Anything in top 50 works.

Anonymous wrote:Well those are the top ones, OP.

Other good universities:

*Rest of the Ivies
'*Duke
*Northwestern
*U of Chicago
*Notre Dame
*BC
*Vanderbilt
*Good state universities- Berkeley, UCLA, UVA, UNC, U Mich, U WI, U TX, WM
*Williams
*Amherst
*Swarthmore
*Pomona
*Middlebury
Many others

What?

Anonymous wrote:Well those are the top ones, OP.

Other good universities:

*Rest of the Ivies
'*Duke
*Northwestern
*U of Chicago
*Notre Dame
*BC
*Vanderbilt
*Good state universities- Berkeley, UCLA, UVA, UNC, U Mich, U WI, U TX, WM
*Williams
*Amherst
*Swarthmore
*Pomona
*Middlebury
Many others

No offense intended but you skipped a number of public universities to sneak in WM.

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Anonymous wrote:in terms of education rigor, quality of peer group, faculty, campus experience, research opportunities, employment outcome, networks…but just not as prestigious? We want very high-stat DC to apply to the best quality schools without wasting REA/ED for the brand name

you have to stick with ivies and they are all similarly prestigious. HYPMS is a made up thing.



if you want to go down to a level truly "not as prestigious" then you cannot get the quality peers, faculty, career/grad outcomes, networks.

False.

Anonymous wrote:WASP

Of potential interest, Rice appears in this Princeton Review survey-based site, "Their Students Love These Colleges":

https://www.princetonreview.com/college-rankings/?rankings=their-students-love-these-colleges

Honors programs at state flagships

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Anonymous wrote:in terms of education rigor, quality of peer group, faculty, campus experience, research opportunities, employment outcome, networks…but just not as prestigious? We want very high-stat DC to apply to the best quality schools without wasting REA/ED for the brand name

It depends on the kid and their interests. There are many schools with more rigor than Harvard or Yale. Generally, all the T6-20 colleges are exceptional and offer very good outcomes to their graduates. I'd focus on fit if you have an extraordinary student. But for intensity of experience, network, and career outcomes, I'd say West Point and Annapolis. For rigor, research opportunities, and campus experience, Rice. For network, probably Notre Dame. For money, Penn. For raw brain power, CalTech. For overall experience, Duke, Vanderbilt, and Brown.

Fit is always the question, but perhaps even more so here. There isn't just one kind of extraordinary kid. If you dig deeply, there are significant differences in schools that you would superficially think are similar, among the Ivies +, among publics, among urban privates (BU, NYU, USC, Georgia Tech), among SLACs. I'd start with fit and then decide the boundaries of your universe (Ivies +, Top25, Top SLACs, whatever it is), and then go from there. Especially important if applying ED, which I assume is the case.

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Anonymous wrote:in terms of education rigor, quality of peer group, faculty, campus experience, research opportunities, employment outcome, networks…but just not as prestigious? We want very high-stat DC to apply to the best quality schools without wasting REA/ED for the brand name

It depends on the kid and their interests. There are many schools with more rigor than Harvard or Yale. Generally, all the T6-20 colleges are exceptional and offer very good outcomes to their graduates. I'd focus on fit if you have an extraordinary student. But for intensity of experience, network, and career outcomes, I'd say West Point and Annapolis. For rigor, research opportunities, and campus experience, Rice. For network, probably Notre Dame. For money, Penn. For raw brain power, CalTech. For overall experience, Duke, Vanderbilt, and Brown.

I’m the PP who suggested Rice and think this a good synopsis.

Anonymous wrote:in terms of education rigor, quality of peer group, faculty, campus experience, research opportunities, employment outcome, networks…but just not as prestigious? We want very high-stat DC to apply to the best quality schools without wasting REA/ED for the brand name

It depends on the kid and their interests. There are many schools with more rigor than Harvard or Yale. Generally, all the T6-20 colleges are exceptional and offer very good outcomes to their graduates. I'd focus on fit if you have an extraordinary student. But for intensity of experience, network, and career outcomes, I'd say West Point and Annapolis. For rigor, research opportunities, and campus experience, Rice. For network, probably Notre Dame. For money, Penn. For raw brain power, CalTech. For overall experience, Duke, Vanderbilt, and Brown.

Anonymous wrote:Well those are the top ones, OP.

Other good universities:

*Rest of the Ivies
'*Duke
*Northwestern
*U of Chicago
*Notre Dame
*BC
*Vanderbilt
*Good state universities- Berkeley, UCLA, UVA, UNC, U Mich, U WI, U TX, WM
*Williams
*Amherst
*Swarthmore
*Pomona
*Middlebury
Many others

+1

Well those are the top ones, OP.

Other good universities:

*Rest of the Ivies
'*Duke
*Northwestern
*U of Chicago
*Notre Dame
*BC
*Vanderbilt
*Good state universities- Berkeley, UCLA, UVA, UNC, U Mich, U WI, U TX, WM
*Williams
*Amherst
*Swarthmore
*Pomona
*Middlebury
Many others