Anonymous wrote:https://mastersnursing.marquette.edu/direct-entry-msn/

19 months after graduating, and she could practice independently in many states!

this is why people in the know not go to young NPs. you used to have to know what you're doing before getting an NP.

Agree with MD poster above.
Intro Undergrad classes are the easiest step in this road. If poor grade was totally because of family health emergency, then plot out a path to redeem. If not, then consider another field.

Orgo/physics are even harder.
Med school is much harder.
Residency is way way harder than med school.
Real life working as a doctor is super intense, more than residency even. You have to work non stop, faster and more efficiently than is comfortable. And be able to quickly think through all that material you’ve learned.

I thrive on the pace and efficiency of being a doctor. Like PP said, I love the body and sciences and even when not at work, I talk about my field a lot and read a lot.

MD is not a job, it’s an all in lifestyle.

I agree with the BSN after undergrad. It’s less than 2 years. The student will require specific science prerequisites to apply. RN degrees don’t have the science backgrounds that a PA would.

https://mastersnursing.marquette.edu/direct-entry-msn/

19 months after graduating, and she could practice independently in many states!

Anonymous wrote:If they failed chemistry and also got a low grade in Biol, it is highly unlikely they will be able to do PA or NP. What subjects do they enjoy AND excel in? Steer the career in that direction.

They can definitely go into NP - for that you just need a degree, any degree, and then do an MSN program

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Anonymous wrote:Tell DC to not give up. If med school is the dream there are many ways to get there. No
one should give up a dream based on two classes at 20. I would take classes again. I would have an explanation for first set. You could consider going abroad for med school and yes people still get residencies. There is a guy on instagram who talks about what he went through to become a doctor. It was inspiring. Not everyone has an easy time of it but if you want something you keep trying.

This is so kind. Thanks. DC mentioned maybe applying to an accelerated post-grad program for get their BSN (RN), but from the MD comments above it sounds like even that is out of reach. College advisor is saying to retake the two classes for grade replacement and says this is fairly common (this is at a top 40-50 college). DC will continue to reassess possible options before school starts in the fall and keep working as an EMT this summer.

I don’t think an accelerated BSN program, after she finishes up her current degree and if she retakes those classes, is off the table at all. In fact, I think that is fantastic path. It’s a relatively low cost investment (compared to med school at least), I do think she could get in, and if she ends up not loving bedside nursing, there are many options. She can work in pharmaceutical sales, surgical device sales ($$$$ but but be attractive), insurance, lots of options.

Anonymous wrote:To be honest, medical school is really really expensive and time consuming. If this is not her thing, switch early to other majors. Being weeded out is really a blessing, saved the family a lot of money.

A golden nugget of truth!
I am a physician and met my wife in med school. We both had many undergrad peers who were weeded out and ended up in great fields that were right for them! Most saw what our 20s were and were quite grateful they were weeded out or changed their minds in time to find something better for them. While it is expensive, it was quite feasible for each of us to pay back full loans in 15 years and send all 3 kids to private k-12. It pays very well. However, it is 100% a bad decision for those who do not truly enjoy the meticulous process of studying science and committing many different biological and chemical processes to memory not only undergrad but for the first two years of med school, then launching into clinical rotations for the last 2 years being able to assimilate and apply the knowledge quickly to patients, all while working 80 hrs a week for most of the last 2 years of med school and 3-5 years of residency. It is brutal and only worth it if you love science and the human body to an extreme degree. In hindsight I would not change a thing, but the during was hard. We had almost all A's at top schools and still found it very hard work.

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Anonymous wrote:OP can she definitely take 2 classes for grade replacement? Will the original grades still show on her final transcript?

Yes, grade replacement is available if retaken at their school (not if taken elsewhere). Yes, original grade will show on their transcript, but it won’t be included in the GPA.

Med schools might recalculate the GPA and make cuts based on their recalculated GPA to weed out applications they don’t even bother reading. Don’t be naive.

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To be honest, medical school is really really expensive and time consuming. If this is not her thing, switch early to other majors. Being weeded out is really a blessing, saved the family a lot of money.

^ Adding, I am so sorry for the health issues most importantly. I have a public health premed. They skipped chem 1 and took chem 2 and orgo 1 freshman year. It is very challenging material and only gets harder. As I said in prior post, all grades will be factored in when applying regardless of what college does. If they are really enjoying PH classes, maybe an MPH. Also, if you have FB then there is a group run by a doctor/admissions consultant. The name is something like Pre-Med Parent Support or similar. The narrative on there is that while not easy there is generally a route if it’s a passion. Seems like they encourage post-bac for gpa recovery and osteopathic route. I do think you’re thinking about all the right things, only your student knows how much performance was impacted and if this is where their passion lies. You could read or post on there, many with similar questions asking for guidance. Wishing all your family the best as you navigate health and school.

All grades are entered into AMCAS when applying so gpa is recalculated based on all attempts.

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Anonymous wrote:OP can she definitely take 2 classes for grade replacement? Will the original grades still show on her final transcript?

Yes, grade replacement is available if retaken at their school (not if taken elsewhere). Yes, original grade will show on their transcript, but it won’t be included in the GPA.

Med schools might recalculate the GPA and make cuts based on their recalculated GPA to weed out applications they don’t even bother reading. Don’t be naive.

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Anonymous wrote:OP here. Thanks for the suggestions. Major is public health. Yes, there is a family emergency situation that likely contributed to the academic outcome (parent with cancer), but I think we will be encouraging a pivot. DC has EMT certification, loves all their public health coursework and especially loves the lab portion of class (scores 98+ in the lab section of biology and chemistry). We welcome any other suggestions!

If they love labs, they could look into becoming a lab tech. Investigators need people to run their labs - make sure equipment in top shape, order chemicals, run some experiments, manage the interns, etc. These are full-time careers and they will likely get published regularly, though not first author. They just won't be the one coming up with the experiments or doing the write up.

Is a lab tech career worth the $85,000 a year tuition we pay for private university? Just being practical here.

Anonymous wrote:OP here. Thanks for the suggestions. Major is public health. Yes, there is a family emergency situation that likely contributed to the academic outcome (parent with cancer), but I think we will be encouraging a pivot. DC has EMT certification, loves all their public health coursework and especially loves the lab portion of class (scores 98+ in the lab section of biology and chemistry). We welcome any other suggestions!

If they love labs, they could look into becoming a lab tech. Investigators need people to run their labs - make sure equipment in top shape, order chemicals, run some experiments, manage the interns, etc. These are full-time careers and they will likely get published regularly, though not first author. They just won't be the one coming up with the experiments or doing the write up.

Anonymous wrote:OP can she definitely take 2 classes for grade replacement? Will the original grades still show on her final transcript?

Yes, grade replacement is available if retaken at their school (not if taken elsewhere). Yes, original grade will show on their transcript, but it won’t be included in the GPA.