Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:“"He's expected to be OK," Newkirk said. "He's just fighting. We just want prayers for him. Just keep praying for him. He's here now."
She's now preparing to say goodbye to her daughter. Newkirk said the hospital will take Smith off of life support Tuesday.
"It's kind of hard, you know," she said tearfully. "It's hard to process."
She wishes she had more time“”
https://www.11alive.com/article/news/health/adriana-smith-baby-born-life-support-update-brain-dead-nicu/85-1fb6595c-3966-4a50-993d-0e36e05cb256
I feel so sorry for this poor woman. If she had been cared for correctly and received better medical care, she could be here with her children.
It’s amazing the Chance is going to be ok!
You cannot honestly believe that a one-pound baby is okay.![]()
AMERICA'S TINIEST PREEMIE
Treatment developed at Iowa helps save extremely premature baby
https://medicineiowa.org/fall-2024/americas-tiniest-preemie
Eight-and-a-half ounces.
That’s roughly the weight of two sticks of butter, a roll of quarters, or a smartphone.
It’s also how much Evelyn Eilers weighed when she was born 17 weeks early at University of Iowa Health Care in September 2023, making her the smallest surviving infant in the U.S., and one of three tied for third-smallest in the world, according to the Tiniest Babies Registry.
Evelyn weighed 240 grams, or 8.46 ounces, at birth. When she went home at 7 months old, she weighed 7 pounds 8 ounces—the size of an average full-term newborn.
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Grandma said they named the baby Chance because he has a second Chance at life. Very sweet.
Yeah, super sweet that her daughter was kept as a human incubator against her family's wishes to give birth to a NICU baby and they'll be saddled with hundreds of thousands of medical bills.
It's illogical to assume that her dying wish is that her baby would die along with her. That's not how most people think. At all.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:“"He's expected to be OK," Newkirk said. "He's just fighting. We just want prayers for him. Just keep praying for him. He's here now."
She's now preparing to say goodbye to her daughter. Newkirk said the hospital will take Smith off of life support Tuesday.
"It's kind of hard, you know," she said tearfully. "It's hard to process."
She wishes she had more time“”
https://www.11alive.com/article/news/health/adriana-smith-baby-born-life-support-update-brain-dead-nicu/85-1fb6595c-3966-4a50-993d-0e36e05cb256
I feel so sorry for this poor woman. If she had been cared for correctly and received better medical care, she could be here with her children.
It’s amazing the Chance is going to be ok!
You cannot honestly believe that a one-pound baby is okay.![]()
AMERICA'S TINIEST PREEMIE
Treatment developed at Iowa helps save extremely premature baby
https://medicineiowa.org/fall-2024/americas-tiniest-preemie
Eight-and-a-half ounces.
That’s roughly the weight of two sticks of butter, a roll of quarters, or a smartphone.
It’s also how much Evelyn Eilers weighed when she was born 17 weeks early at University of Iowa Health Care in September 2023, making her the smallest surviving infant in the U.S., and one of three tied for third-smallest in the world, according to the Tiniest Babies Registry.
Evelyn weighed 240 grams, or 8.46 ounces, at birth. When she went home at 7 months old, she weighed 7 pounds 8 ounces—the size of an average full-term newborn.
![]()
Grandma said they named the baby Chance because he has a second Chance at life. Very sweet.
Yeah, super sweet that her daughter was kept as a human incubator against her family's wishes to give birth to a NICU baby and they'll be saddled with hundreds of thousands of medical bills.
It's illogical to assume that her dying wish is that her baby would die along with her. That's not how most people think. At all.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I had a preemie. He weighed 3lb, 14oz, at 32 weeks. He had a global developmental delay, needed extensive physical, occupational, feeding and speech therapy, has anaphylactic allergies to certain foods, ADHD and autism. All these issues increase with premature birth and low birth weight.
Just because some very lucky babies survive extremely premature births and low birth weights, doesn't mean they all survive; and the littlest, most fragile ones NEVER survive without lifelong issues. Chance will have lifelong issues if he survives.
The grandmother isn't lying. The hospital staff is not telling her what this baby will have to go through. The hospital staff would never lay it all out for new parents/grandparents! All they're telling her is that right now he's alive, and has a fighting chance of surviving tomorrow. Nothing beyond that.
You have to interpret these things correctly, PPs.
Citation needed for your diagnosis for a baby you have never laid eyes on? Are you his doctor? Are you a preemie doctor?
My son was born premature and is normal.
I'm a research scientist who worked in a NICU ward, and have read the literature on the subject, OP. My husband is a doctor.
There are plenty of preemies who have positive outcomes, I never said otherwise. But negative outcomes increase with the degree of prematurity and this preemie is at HIGH risk. Surely you don't dispute that. I am talking about statistics and probabilities. Surely you understand those concepts. None of us can predict the outcome of this particular infant, but what math tells us is that his chances of survival without any adverse effects are practically nil.
And this is before we get into discussions on the physiology of brain-dead mothers kept alive until their fetus has a chance of survival. I cannot comment on that, not having researched the topic. I am just talking about the health risks of micro-preemies in living mothers.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:“"He's expected to be OK," Newkirk said. "He's just fighting. We just want prayers for him. Just keep praying for him. He's here now."
She's now preparing to say goodbye to her daughter. Newkirk said the hospital will take Smith off of life support Tuesday.
"It's kind of hard, you know," she said tearfully. "It's hard to process."
She wishes she had more time“”
https://www.11alive.com/article/news/health/adriana-smith-baby-born-life-support-update-brain-dead-nicu/85-1fb6595c-3966-4a50-993d-0e36e05cb256
I feel so sorry for this poor woman. If she had been cared for correctly and received better medical care, she could be here with her children.
It’s amazing the Chance is going to be ok!
You cannot honestly believe that a one-pound baby is okay.![]()
AMERICA'S TINIEST PREEMIE
Treatment developed at Iowa helps save extremely premature baby
https://medicineiowa.org/fall-2024/americas-tiniest-preemie
Eight-and-a-half ounces.
That’s roughly the weight of two sticks of butter, a roll of quarters, or a smartphone.
It’s also how much Evelyn Eilers weighed when she was born 17 weeks early at University of Iowa Health Care in September 2023, making her the smallest surviving infant in the U.S., and one of three tied for third-smallest in the world, according to the Tiniest Babies Registry.
Evelyn weighed 240 grams, or 8.46 ounces, at birth. When she went home at 7 months old, she weighed 7 pounds 8 ounces—the size of an average full-term newborn.
![]()
Grandma said they named the baby Chance because he has a second Chance at life. Very sweet.
Yeah, super sweet that her daughter was kept as a human incubator against her family's wishes to give birth to a NICU baby and they'll be saddled with hundreds of thousands of medical bills.
It's illogical to assume that her dying wish is that her baby would die along with her. That's not how most people think. At all.
Die a painless death as a fetus vs the pain the baby is now likely to go through and quite possibly not survive?
This baby is not in pain. Citation that Baby Chance is “in pain?”
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:“"He's expected to be OK," Newkirk said. "He's just fighting. We just want prayers for him. Just keep praying for him. He's here now."
She's now preparing to say goodbye to her daughter. Newkirk said the hospital will take Smith off of life support Tuesday.
"It's kind of hard, you know," she said tearfully. "It's hard to process."
She wishes she had more time“”
https://www.11alive.com/article/news/health/adriana-smith-baby-born-life-support-update-brain-dead-nicu/85-1fb6595c-3966-4a50-993d-0e36e05cb256
I feel so sorry for this poor woman. If she had been cared for correctly and received better medical care, she could be here with her children.
It’s amazing the Chance is going to be ok!
You cannot honestly believe that a one-pound baby is okay.![]()
AMERICA'S TINIEST PREEMIE
Treatment developed at Iowa helps save extremely premature baby
https://medicineiowa.org/fall-2024/americas-tiniest-preemie
Eight-and-a-half ounces.
That’s roughly the weight of two sticks of butter, a roll of quarters, or a smartphone.
It’s also how much Evelyn Eilers weighed when she was born 17 weeks early at University of Iowa Health Care in September 2023, making her the smallest surviving infant in the U.S., and one of three tied for third-smallest in the world, according to the Tiniest Babies Registry.
Evelyn weighed 240 grams, or 8.46 ounces, at birth. When she went home at 7 months old, she weighed 7 pounds 8 ounces—the size of an average full-term newborn.
![]()
Grandma said they named the baby Chance because he has a second Chance at life. Very sweet.
Yeah, super sweet that her daughter was kept as a human incubator against her family's wishes to give birth to a NICU baby and they'll be saddled with hundreds of thousands of medical bills.
It's illogical to assume that her dying wish is that her baby would die along with her. That's not how most people think. At all.
Die a painless death as a fetus vs the pain the baby is now likely to go through and quite possibly not survive?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:“"He's expected to be OK," Newkirk said. "He's just fighting. We just want prayers for him. Just keep praying for him. He's here now."
She's now preparing to say goodbye to her daughter. Newkirk said the hospital will take Smith off of life support Tuesday.
"It's kind of hard, you know," she said tearfully. "It's hard to process."
She wishes she had more time“”
https://www.11alive.com/article/news/health/adriana-smith-baby-born-life-support-update-brain-dead-nicu/85-1fb6595c-3966-4a50-993d-0e36e05cb256
I feel so sorry for this poor woman. If she had been cared for correctly and received better medical care, she could be here with her children.
It’s amazing the Chance is going to be ok!
You cannot honestly believe that a one-pound baby is okay.![]()
AMERICA'S TINIEST PREEMIE
Treatment developed at Iowa helps save extremely premature baby
https://medicineiowa.org/fall-2024/americas-tiniest-preemie
Eight-and-a-half ounces.
That’s roughly the weight of two sticks of butter, a roll of quarters, or a smartphone.
It’s also how much Evelyn Eilers weighed when she was born 17 weeks early at University of Iowa Health Care in September 2023, making her the smallest surviving infant in the U.S., and one of three tied for third-smallest in the world, according to the Tiniest Babies Registry.
Evelyn weighed 240 grams, or 8.46 ounces, at birth. When she went home at 7 months old, she weighed 7 pounds 8 ounces—the size of an average full-term newborn.
![]()
Grandma said they named the baby Chance because he has a second Chance at life. Very sweet.
Yeah, super sweet that her daughter was kept as a human incubator against her family's wishes to give birth to a NICU baby and they'll be saddled with hundreds of thousands of medical bills.
It's illogical to assume that her dying wish is that her baby would die along with her. That's not how most people think. At all.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:“"He's expected to be OK," Newkirk said. "He's just fighting. We just want prayers for him. Just keep praying for him. He's here now."
She's now preparing to say goodbye to her daughter. Newkirk said the hospital will take Smith off of life support Tuesday.
"It's kind of hard, you know," she said tearfully. "It's hard to process."
She wishes she had more time“”
https://www.11alive.com/article/news/health/adriana-smith-baby-born-life-support-update-brain-dead-nicu/85-1fb6595c-3966-4a50-993d-0e36e05cb256
I feel so sorry for this poor woman. If she had been cared for correctly and received better medical care, she could be here with her children.
It’s amazing the Chance is going to be ok!
You cannot honestly believe that a one-pound baby is okay.![]()
AMERICA'S TINIEST PREEMIE
Treatment developed at Iowa helps save extremely premature baby
https://medicineiowa.org/fall-2024/americas-tiniest-preemie
Eight-and-a-half ounces.
That’s roughly the weight of two sticks of butter, a roll of quarters, or a smartphone.
It’s also how much Evelyn Eilers weighed when she was born 17 weeks early at University of Iowa Health Care in September 2023, making her the smallest surviving infant in the U.S., and one of three tied for third-smallest in the world, according to the Tiniest Babies Registry.
Evelyn weighed 240 grams, or 8.46 ounces, at birth. When she went home at 7 months old, she weighed 7 pounds 8 ounces—the size of an average full-term newborn.
![]()
Grandma said they named the baby Chance because he has a second Chance at life. Very sweet.
Yeah, super sweet that her daughter was kept as a human incubator against her family's wishes to give birth to a NICU baby and they'll be saddled with hundreds of thousands of medical bills.
It's illogical to assume that her dying wish is that her baby would die along with her. That's not how most people think. At all.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:“"He's expected to be OK," Newkirk said. "He's just fighting. We just want prayers for him. Just keep praying for him. He's here now."
She's now preparing to say goodbye to her daughter. Newkirk said the hospital will take Smith off of life support Tuesday.
"It's kind of hard, you know," she said tearfully. "It's hard to process."
She wishes she had more time“”
https://www.11alive.com/article/news/health/adriana-smith-baby-born-life-support-update-brain-dead-nicu/85-1fb6595c-3966-4a50-993d-0e36e05cb256
I feel so sorry for this poor woman. If she had been cared for correctly and received better medical care, she could be here with her children.
It’s amazing the Chance is going to be ok!
You cannot honestly believe that a one-pound baby is okay.![]()
AMERICA'S TINIEST PREEMIE
Treatment developed at Iowa helps save extremely premature baby
https://medicineiowa.org/fall-2024/americas-tiniest-preemie
Eight-and-a-half ounces.
That’s roughly the weight of two sticks of butter, a roll of quarters, or a smartphone.
It’s also how much Evelyn Eilers weighed when she was born 17 weeks early at University of Iowa Health Care in September 2023, making her the smallest surviving infant in the U.S., and one of three tied for third-smallest in the world, according to the Tiniest Babies Registry.
Evelyn weighed 240 grams, or 8.46 ounces, at birth. When she went home at 7 months old, she weighed 7 pounds 8 ounces—the size of an average full-term newborn.
![]()
Grandma said they named the baby Chance because he has a second Chance at life. Very sweet.
Yeah, super sweet that her daughter was kept as a human incubator against her family's wishes to give birth to a NICU baby and they'll be saddled with hundreds of thousands of medical bills.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I had a preemie. He weighed 3lb, 14oz, at 32 weeks. He had a global developmental delay, needed extensive physical, occupational, feeding and speech therapy, has anaphylactic allergies to certain foods, ADHD and autism. All these issues increase with premature birth and low birth weight.
Just because some very lucky babies survive extremely premature births and low birth weights, doesn't mean they all survive; and the littlest, most fragile ones NEVER survive without lifelong issues. Chance will have lifelong issues if he survives.
The grandmother isn't lying. The hospital staff is not telling her what this baby will have to go through. The hospital staff would never lay it all out for new parents/grandparents! All they're telling her is that right now he's alive, and has a fighting chance of surviving tomorrow. Nothing beyond that.
You have to interpret these things correctly, PPs.
Citation needed for your diagnosis for a baby you have never laid eyes on? Are you his doctor? Are you a preemie doctor?
My son was born premature and is normal.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Micropreemie is the term doctors use for babies either born before the 26th week of pregnancy or weighing less than 1.75 pounds (28 ounces) at birth. Because they're so tiny and weigh so little, micropreemies are at greater risk than even a preemie baby for health issues and disabilities as they grow older. Still, hospitals are doing amazing things to take care of micropreemies – even those born super early – and making sure they have the best odds of overcoming their challenges.
Even micropreemies have a fighting chance, though, thanks to technology and medical advances. In a study of roughly 11,000 extremely premature babies, those born at 22 weeks had a 28 percent survival rate, while those born at 23 weeks had a 55 percent survival rate. But the even better news in the study came when researchers looked at these babies at 2 years old. About half of these micropreemies (born between 22 and 26 weeks) had no or mild disabilities and another 29 percent had moderate ones. Only 21 percent of preemies had severe disabilities like cerebral palsy, blindness, or neurological delays.
https://www.babycenter.com/baby/premature-babies/whats-the-outlook-for-a-premature-baby-born-at-28-31-33-or-3_10300031
Medically reviewed by Liz Donner, M.D., pediatric hospitalist
What are those stats for micropremies gestated in corpses?
Did you watch a tv show about a corpse being in a hospital? Is that your base of knowledge. (We know the answer is yes.)
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:“"He's expected to be OK," Newkirk said. "He's just fighting. We just want prayers for him. Just keep praying for him. He's here now."
She's now preparing to say goodbye to her daughter. Newkirk said the hospital will take Smith off of life support Tuesday.
"It's kind of hard, you know," she said tearfully. "It's hard to process."
She wishes she had more time“”
https://www.11alive.com/article/news/health/adriana-smith-baby-born-life-support-update-brain-dead-nicu/85-1fb6595c-3966-4a50-993d-0e36e05cb256
I feel so sorry for this poor woman. If she had been cared for correctly and received better medical care, she could be here with her children.
It’s amazing the Chance is going to be ok!
You cannot honestly believe that a one-pound baby is okay.![]()
The lowest birth weight baby to survive is believed to be a girl born in Germany in 2016. She weighed just 230 grams (8.1 ounces) at birth.
Other notable cases include:
A boy born in Japan in 2019 who weighed 268 grams (9.45 ounces).
A girl born in the United States in 2018 who weighed 245 grams (8.6 ounces).
A boy born in Singapore in 2020 who weighed 230 grams (8.1 ounces).
A baby gestated in a corpse is a whole different matter. Brain dead can’t regulate hormones in the correct and intricate ways needed to support a healthy pregnancy. A mother on life support, immobile, fed through a tube while her body decays is not giving her premie the best possible odds. She got no exercise. She can’t even breath on her own you think a heart-lung machine is god fora baby? That a mother who died due to clots in her brain a G-d knows where else in her body can have a healthy baby?
Look, I hope this baby makes it and is 100% healthy. This poor family— it’s the least they deserve.
But get real, this isn’t a normal pregnancy, it’s a science experiment and if I wasn’t rooting for this family, I would hope that it backfired big time because if it works, it green lights keeping dead women’s on machines, against their advance directives and their wishes as their family’s wishes to gestate babies. There was literally an Handmaids Tale episode anbout this And t was grotesque. And what’s next? Ins imitating brain dead women to serve as hosts for fertile couples? The ethical ramifications here go past even Gilliad
In cases of brain death during pregnancy, successful delivery of a healthy baby is possible, but the outcome is significantly influenced by the gestational age at the time of brain death. While maintaining somatic support for the mother is medically challenging, advances in critical care allow for the potential to sustain the pregnancy to allow for fetal development and delivery.
A systematic review found that, in cases of brain death during pregnancy, the majority of neonates (77%) were born alive, and 85% of these infants had a normal outcome at 20 months of life.
https://www.binasss.sa.cr/gine/26.pdf
The cringiest part of dcum are the posters who base their opinion on a book of fiction (Handmaid’s Tale) and the tv show with actors and actresses playing pretend.
I mean, how can you ignore science for a tv show based on a fictional book?
Aren’t you embarrassed?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:“"He's expected to be OK," Newkirk said. "He's just fighting. We just want prayers for him. Just keep praying for him. He's here now."
She's now preparing to say goodbye to her daughter. Newkirk said the hospital will take Smith off of life support Tuesday.
"It's kind of hard, you know," she said tearfully. "It's hard to process."
She wishes she had more time“”
https://www.11alive.com/article/news/health/adriana-smith-baby-born-life-support-update-brain-dead-nicu/85-1fb6595c-3966-4a50-993d-0e36e05cb256
I feel so sorry for this poor woman. If she had been cared for correctly and received better medical care, she could be here with her children.
It’s amazing the Chance is going to be ok!
You cannot honestly believe that a one-pound baby is okay.![]()
The lowest birth weight baby to survive is believed to be a girl born in Germany in 2016. She weighed just 230 grams (8.1 ounces) at birth.
Other notable cases include:
A boy born in Japan in 2019 who weighed 268 grams (9.45 ounces).
A girl born in the United States in 2018 who weighed 245 grams (8.6 ounces).
A boy born in Singapore in 2020 who weighed 230 grams (8.1 ounces).
A baby gestated in a corpse is a whole different matter. Brain dead can’t regulate hormones in the correct and intricate ways needed to support a healthy pregnancy. A mother on life support, immobile, fed through a tube while her body decays is not giving her premie the best possible odds. She got no exercise. She can’t even breath on her own you think a heart-lung machine is god fora baby? That a mother who died due to clots in her brain a G-d knows where else in her body can have a healthy baby?
Look, I hope this baby makes it and is 100% healthy. This poor family— it’s the least they deserve.
But get real, this isn’t a normal pregnancy, it’s a science experiment and if I wasn’t rooting for this family, I would hope that it backfired big time because if it works, it green lights keeping dead women’s on machines, against their advance directives and their wishes as their family’s wishes to gestate babies. There was literally an Handmaids Tale episode anbout this And t was grotesque. And what’s next? Ins imitating brain dead women to serve as hosts for fertile couples? The ethical ramifications here go past even Gilliad
Anonymous wrote:Micropreemie is the term doctors use for babies either born before the 26th week of pregnancy or weighing less than 1.75 pounds (28 ounces) at birth. Because they're so tiny and weigh so little, micropreemies are at greater risk than even a preemie baby for health issues and disabilities as they grow older. Still, hospitals are doing amazing things to take care of micropreemies – even those born super early – and making sure they have the best odds of overcoming their challenges.
Even micropreemies have a fighting chance, though, thanks to technology and medical advances. In a study of roughly 11,000 extremely premature babies, those born at 22 weeks had a 28 percent survival rate, while those born at 23 weeks had a 55 percent survival rate. But the even better news in the study came when researchers looked at these babies at 2 years old. About half of these micropreemies (born between 22 and 26 weeks) had no or mild disabilities and another 29 percent had moderate ones. Only 21 percent of preemies had severe disabilities like cerebral palsy, blindness, or neurological delays.
https://www.babycenter.com/baby/premature-babies/whats-the-outlook-for-a-premature-baby-born-at-28-31-33-or-3_10300031
Medically reviewed by Liz Donner, M.D., pediatric hospitalist