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Anonymous wrote:This gives me hope that caring for elderly can count as work requirement. Since many will get kicked off Medicaid and have to leave nursing homes, they will need family to care for them, and family will then be unable to work.

It said caregivers won’t be paid any longer. That’s not work according to OZ.

It makes sense. It just creates two non working poor people instead of just the elderly or disabled person. And astonishingly there is never a third employed person in the picture either.

Who is going to take care of the elderly/disabled person?

You're making the assumption that the people making decisions care about that.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This gives me hope that caring for elderly can count as work requirement. Since many will get kicked off Medicaid and have to leave nursing homes, they will need family to care for them, and family will then be unable to work.

It said caregivers won’t be paid any longer. That’s not work according to OZ.

It makes sense. It just creates two non working poor people instead of just the elderly or disabled person. And astonishingly there is never a third employed person in the picture either.

Who is going to take care of the elderly/disabled person?

He wants them to get on ACA, which is pricey, and Trump is trying to take away the subsidies. A lot of entry level jobs are at small companies, and they do not provide health insurance.

Oz, Trump, and Trump's entire administration are freakin out of touch.

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Anonymous wrote:This gives me hope that caring for elderly can count as work requirement. Since many will get kicked off Medicaid and have to leave nursing homes, they will need family to care for them, and family will then be unable to work.

It said caregivers won’t be paid any longer. That’s not work according to OZ.

It makes sense. It just creates two non working poor people instead of just the elderly or disabled person. And astonishingly there is never a third employed person in the picture either.

Anonymous wrote:This gives me hope that caring for elderly can count as work requirement. Since many will get kicked off Medicaid and have to leave nursing homes, they will need family to care for them, and family will then be unable to work.

It said caregivers won’t be paid any longer. That’s not work according to OZ.

Anonymous wrote:We need a national revolution demanding that everyone has the same FREE health care afforded to members of Congress and their families, including dental and mental health care.

What in the world are you talking about? Members of Congress do NOT get free health care.

No, members of Congress do not receive free healthcare. This is a common misconception.
Here's a more accurate picture:
ACA Requirement: The Affordable Care Act (ACA) requires Members of Congress and certain staff to get their health coverage through an Affordable Insurance Exchange (ACA Exchange). This requirement has been in place since January 1, 2014.
Government Contribution: While not free, the federal government contributes to the cost of their health insurance premiums. This employer contribution is the same formula used for other federal employees.
Employer-Sponsored Coverage: Members of Congress and designated staff purchase employer-sponsored coverage through the Small Business Health Options Program (SHOP) located in DC.
DC Health Link: They specifically use the DC Health Link Small Business Market to purchase their health insurance.
Cost Sharing: Members of Congress pay a portion of their annual health insurance premiums through pre-tax payroll deductions. According to one source from 2017, this is approximately 28% of their premium cost.
Retirement Eligibility: Members of Congress and staff who purchase health insurance through the ACA Exchange are eligible to continue that coverage into retirement, provided they meet the same eligibility requirements as Federal Employees Health Benefits (FEHB) enrollees.
In summary: Members of Congress, like other federal employees, are not given free healthcare, but they do receive employer-sponsored health insurance coverage and a government contribution towards the cost of their premiums, which they obtain through the DC Health Link marketplace.

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Anonymous wrote:We need a national revolution demanding that everyone has the same FREE health care afforded to members of Congress and their families, including dental and mental health care.

I don’t even need it to be free. Happy to pay a fair, per person monthly price. (DP)

I agree. It’s tax payer supported— so we’re already paying for it. I would be fine with paying premiums on top of that — with a reasonable sliding scale.

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Anonymous wrote:This gives me hope that caring for elderly can count as work requirement. Since many will get kicked off Medicaid and have to leave nursing homes, they will need family to care for them, and family will then be unable to work.

That would be great. Many people — me included — lost employee sponsored health insurance when I was caring for an elderly relative. Being older, unemployed, with a job gap is not a great place to be. The whole health insurance/ healthcare system needs to be reformed. I say this as someone who has worked in healthcare.

How? It gets "reformed" every several years. It only gets worse.

Economics. Supply. Demand.

You can demand whatever on paper via "policy". That doesn't mean you can miracle it into existence.

Medicare for all. Employers are free to offer enticing secondary and tertiary policies as enticing benefits — if they wish to do so. It wouldn’t take miracles or even more money — just will, and untangling from the influences of lobbyists.

Anonymous wrote:We need a national revolution demanding that everyone has the same FREE health care afforded to members of Congress and their families, including dental and mental health care.

I don’t even need it to be free. Happy to pay a fair, per person monthly price. (DP)

I guess they haven't considered that a large number of these people losing health care and not working are Republican voters.

We need a national revolution demanding that everyone has the same FREE health care afforded to members of Congress and their families, including dental and mental health care.

Anonymous wrote:That is not what he said and you know it, OP.

Nowhere does he say "don't matter" as you have stated or that they "don't deserve healthcare."

He is basically telling them to get a life. Do something productive. If you want the government to PAY for your healthcare, do something.
And, you seem to have a problem with that.

Here are his comments:

“We’re asking that able-bodied individuals who are able to go back to work at least try to get a job or at least volunteer or take care of loved-one who needs help or go back to school,” he said. “Do something that shows you have agency over your future.”
If Americans are willing to do that, he added, they should be able to be enrolled or stay enrolled in Medicaid.
“But if you are not willing to do those things, we are going to ask you to do something else. Go on the exchange, or get a job and get onto regular commercial insurance. But we are not going to continue to pay for Medicaid for those audiences.”

“Go out there, do entry-level jobs, get into the workforce, prove that you matter. Get agency into your own life,” he added. “It’s a much more enjoyable experience if you go through life thinking you are in control of your destiny and you will get better insurance at the same time.”

I still want to see the data regarding how many able-bodied people are not working.

My liberal heart bleeds for the millions of people who will be impacted if this becomes policy. However, the subset of people he is talking about is a tiny percent Most likely, they meet criteria for Anti-Social/Narcissistic Personality Disorder(s) or Oppositional Defiant Disorder. Fortunately, volunteer work counts so maybe they will gleefully dupe their distressed (by them) parent, boyfriend or girlfriend into letting them cook or clean for them (while they watch tv, work on their hobbies or donwload oodles of porn all day). They can tell the government they have a mentally ill family member who needs round the clock monitoring and care because he or she has panic attacks and anger outbursts (every time the bills come due). Psychopaths always find a way to dupe the system or someone else. Unfortunately, there is not a financially sound way to weed out character disordered people from the majority of this group, so here we are.

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Anonymous wrote:This gives me hope that caring for elderly can count as work requirement. Since many will get kicked off Medicaid and have to leave nursing homes, they will need family to care for them, and family will then be unable to work.

That would be great. Many people — me included — lost employee sponsored health insurance when I was caring for an elderly relative. Being older, unemployed, with a job gap is not a great place to be. The whole health insurance/ healthcare system needs to be reformed. I say this as someone who has worked in healthcare.

How? It gets "reformed" every several years. It only gets worse.

Economics. Supply. Demand.

You can demand whatever on paper via "policy". That doesn't mean you can miracle it into existence.

Medicare for all. With a reasonable monthly premium. Negotiate with providers and cap profits on hospitals and insurance companies. It’s actually quite easy. Just the lobbyists hate it and Congress is bought and paid for.

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Anonymous wrote:This gives me hope that caring for elderly can count as work requirement. Since many will get kicked off Medicaid and have to leave nursing homes, they will need family to care for them, and family will then be unable to work.

That would be great. Many people — me included — lost employee sponsored health insurance when I was caring for an elderly relative. Being older, unemployed, with a job gap is not a great place to be. The whole health insurance/ healthcare system needs to be reformed. I say this as someone who has worked in healthcare.

How? It gets "reformed" every several years. It only gets worse.

Economics. Supply. Demand.

You can demand whatever on paper via "policy". That doesn't mean you can miracle it into existence.

What on earth are you talking about? Of course we can choose a better health system by passing appropriate laws. What exactly do you think Canada does? UK? Germany? Why did you put quotes around the word “policy” as if there is no such thing? You are seriously brainwashed.