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Anonymous wrote:Potomac Marlins did not raise their fees this year and they start their coaches at $10 more than NCAP does.

NCAP always been money hungry

Potomac Marlins does not have coaches on salary with benefits (health insurance, 401k, etc) most of NCAP and Machine coaches are full time professional coaches with benefits.

The NCAP Burke site is a franchise. Pete Morgan sets those prices. Not Tom Ugast.

Anonymous wrote:Potomac Marlins did not raise their fees this year and they start their coaches at $10 more than NCAP does.

NCAP always been money hungry

Anonymous wrote:Remember that NCAP-Burke has a different business relationship with NCAP. It’s essentially a franchise (unless the nature of that contractual is changing), much like North and Alexandria. It also is the only team that rents space from a private rec center.

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Anonymous wrote:1. Swimming is expensive.
2. What is cost prohibitive to you is not cost prohibitive to plenty of people.
3. They will be able to fill all practices with people that can afford this and future price increases.

Continued increases will affect more and more folks and swimming won’t be an attainable sport for many families…Just being a sport of the rich who can afford it is a recipe for disaster.

In our case, I’m sure it would be a hit for NCAP if we left…

NCAP is a business. NCAP is out to make money. And there’s enough money that they can change what they want, even if it’s bad for swimming. What is bad for swimming is not NCAP’s issue- that’s a USA swimming issue.

And no matter how important you think your kid is, no one swimmer is really important. NCAP lost one of its top young swimmers (would have won events at NCI) this year to Makos, but two PVS swimmers of the year transferred to NCAP.

In the end, it doesn’t matter. They’re still going to fill all their lanes.

I’m not saying my individual kid is all that important. He is valued on the team and would be welcome most anywhere. What you’re saying is it’s fine when they’ve priced out many of their top swimmers and their tier one groups are eventually filled with slower swimmers whose parents can pay the bills??? Being in Gold 1 doesn’t mean the same thing as it used to because they’re just filling up the lanes with whomever is willing to pay the bills?? That brings down the reputation of the team. They want to be able to broadcast that they have the best talent to encourage others to join. If that talent leaves and folks compare times they begin to see that the team maybe isn’t as strong as they think. I’m not saying that is currently happening. Just saying that could be the reality if prices keep raising like this annually. An 18% increase annually isn’t sustainable.

It wasn’t really an 18% increase though. There is a price increase associated with group advancement at your swimmer’s level at all the NCAP sites because there is more practice time and usually dryland with a trainer. So I wouldn’t count that as an unexpected increase, that is an increase that has always been there for that group and always will be there. What you really need to look at is how much did that group cost this season vs. how much it is going to cost next season. I suspect my swimmer is moving to the same level group at a different site and the increase for that group from this season to next is only $75, which is a 1.5% increase.

Staying in the same group would mean a little over 8% increase from this season’s rates to the 2024-25 rates but the reality is that kids move up about every two years so yeah it’s all part of the calculation. Obviously more practices = more lane time and coaching time so you expect an increase but the reality is that it’s A LOT and quickly becoming cost prohibiting.

You’re saying that if your swimmer stayed in the same group they were in this year, I’m assuming Bronze 1, that next year’s fees for Bronze 1 are going up 8% or $318? That does seem like a lot year over year.

Bronze I will be $465/month next year

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Anonymous wrote:1. Swimming is expensive.
2. What is cost prohibitive to you is not cost prohibitive to plenty of people.
3. They will be able to fill all practices with people that can afford this and future price increases.

Continued increases will affect more and more folks and swimming won’t be an attainable sport for many families…Just being a sport of the rich who can afford it is a recipe for disaster.

In our case, I’m sure it would be a hit for NCAP if we left…

NCAP is a business. NCAP is out to make money. And there’s enough money that they can change what they want, even if it’s bad for swimming. What is bad for swimming is not NCAP’s issue- that’s a USA swimming issue.

And no matter how important you think your kid is, no one swimmer is really important. NCAP lost one of its top young swimmers (would have won events at NCI) this year to Makos, but two PVS swimmers of the year transferred to NCAP.

In the end, it doesn’t matter. They’re still going to fill all their lanes.

I’m not saying my individual kid is all that important. He is valued on the team and would be welcome most anywhere. What you’re saying is it’s fine when they’ve priced out many of their top swimmers and their tier one groups are eventually filled with slower swimmers whose parents can pay the bills??? Being in Gold 1 doesn’t mean the same thing as it used to because they’re just filling up the lanes with whomever is willing to pay the bills?? That brings down the reputation of the team. They want to be able to broadcast that they have the best talent to encourage others to join. If that talent leaves and folks compare times they begin to see that the team maybe isn’t as strong as they think. I’m not saying that is currently happening. Just saying that could be the reality if prices keep raising like this annually. An 18% increase annually isn’t sustainable.

It wasn’t really an 18% increase though. There is a price increase associated with group advancement at your swimmer’s level at all the NCAP sites because there is more practice time and usually dryland with a trainer. So I wouldn’t count that as an unexpected increase, that is an increase that has always been there for that group and always will be there. What you really need to look at is how much did that group cost this season vs. how much it is going to cost next season. I suspect my swimmer is moving to the same level group at a different site and the increase for that group from this season to next is only $75, which is a 1.5% increase.

Staying in the same group would mean a little over 8% increase from this season’s rates to the 2024-25 rates but the reality is that kids move up about every two years so yeah it’s all part of the calculation. Obviously more practices = more lane time and coaching time so you expect an increase but the reality is that it’s A LOT and quickly becoming cost prohibiting.

You’re saying that if your swimmer stayed in the same group they were in this year, I’m assuming Bronze 1, that next year’s fees for Bronze 1 are going up 8% or $318? That does seem like a lot year over year.

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Anonymous wrote:1. Swimming is expensive.
2. What is cost prohibitive to you is not cost prohibitive to plenty of people.
3. They will be able to fill all practices with people that can afford this and future price increases.

Continued increases will affect more and more folks and swimming won’t be an attainable sport for many families…Just being a sport of the rich who can afford it is a recipe for disaster.

In our case, I’m sure it would be a hit for NCAP if we left…

NCAP is a business. NCAP is out to make money. And there’s enough money that they can change what they want, even if it’s bad for swimming. What is bad for swimming is not NCAP’s issue- that’s a USA swimming issue.

And no matter how important you think your kid is, no one swimmer is really important. NCAP lost one of its top young swimmers (would have won events at NCI) this year to Makos, but two PVS swimmers of the year transferred to NCAP.

In the end, it doesn’t matter. They’re still going to fill all their lanes.

I’m not saying my individual kid is all that important. He is valued on the team and would be welcome most anywhere. What you’re saying is it’s fine when they’ve priced out many of their top swimmers and their tier one groups are eventually filled with slower swimmers whose parents can pay the bills??? Being in Gold 1 doesn’t mean the same thing as it used to because they’re just filling up the lanes with whomever is willing to pay the bills?? That brings down the reputation of the team. They want to be able to broadcast that they have the best talent to encourage others to join. If that talent leaves and folks compare times they begin to see that the team maybe isn’t as strong as they think. I’m not saying that is currently happening. Just saying that could be the reality if prices keep raising like this annually. An 18% increase annually isn’t sustainable.

It wasn’t really an 18% increase though. There is a price increase associated with group advancement at your swimmer’s level at all the NCAP sites because there is more practice time and usually dryland with a trainer. So I wouldn’t count that as an unexpected increase, that is an increase that has always been there for that group and always will be there. What you really need to look at is how much did that group cost this season vs. how much it is going to cost next season. I suspect my swimmer is moving to the same level group at a different site and the increase for that group from this season to next is only $75, which is a 1.5% increase.

Staying in the same group would mean a little over 8% increase from this season’s rates to the 2024-25 rates but the reality is that kids move up about every two years so yeah it’s all part of the calculation. Obviously more practices = more lane time and coaching time so you expect an increase but the reality is that it’s A LOT and quickly becoming cost prohibiting.

You’re saying that if your swimmer stayed in the same group they were in this year, I’m assuming Bronze 1, that next year’s fees for Bronze 1 are going up 8% or $318? That does seem like a lot year over year.

Bronze I is going from $430 -> $465 a month which is an 8% increase. $420 increase for the year. Not sure where the 1.5% figure came from.

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Anonymous wrote:1. Swimming is expensive.
2. What is cost prohibitive to you is not cost prohibitive to plenty of people.
3. They will be able to fill all practices with people that can afford this and future price increases.

Continued increases will affect more and more folks and swimming won’t be an attainable sport for many families…Just being a sport of the rich who can afford it is a recipe for disaster.

In our case, I’m sure it would be a hit for NCAP if we left…

NCAP is a business. NCAP is out to make money. And there’s enough money that they can change what they want, even if it’s bad for swimming. What is bad for swimming is not NCAP’s issue- that’s a USA swimming issue.

And no matter how important you think your kid is, no one swimmer is really important. NCAP lost one of its top young swimmers (would have won events at NCI) this year to Makos, but two PVS swimmers of the year transferred to NCAP.

In the end, it doesn’t matter. They’re still going to fill all their lanes.

I’m not saying my individual kid is all that important. He is valued on the team and would be welcome most anywhere. What you’re saying is it’s fine when they’ve priced out many of their top swimmers and their tier one groups are eventually filled with slower swimmers whose parents can pay the bills??? Being in Gold 1 doesn’t mean the same thing as it used to because they’re just filling up the lanes with whomever is willing to pay the bills?? That brings down the reputation of the team. They want to be able to broadcast that they have the best talent to encourage others to join. If that talent leaves and folks compare times they begin to see that the team maybe isn’t as strong as they think. I’m not saying that is currently happening. Just saying that could be the reality if prices keep raising like this annually. An 18% increase annually isn’t sustainable.

It wasn’t really an 18% increase though. There is a price increase associated with group advancement at your swimmer’s level at all the NCAP sites because there is more practice time and usually dryland with a trainer. So I wouldn’t count that as an unexpected increase, that is an increase that has always been there for that group and always will be there. What you really need to look at is how much did that group cost this season vs. how much it is going to cost next season. I suspect my swimmer is moving to the same level group at a different site and the increase for that group from this season to next is only $75, which is a 1.5% increase.

Staying in the same group would mean a little over 8% increase from this season’s rates to the 2024-25 rates but the reality is that kids move up about every two years so yeah it’s all part of the calculation. Obviously more practices = more lane time and coaching time so you expect an increase but the reality is that it’s A LOT and quickly becoming cost prohibiting.

You’re saying that if your swimmer stayed in the same group they were in this year, I’m assuming Bronze 1, that next year’s fees for Bronze 1 are going up 8% or $318? That does seem like a lot year over year.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:1. Swimming is expensive.
2. What is cost prohibitive to you is not cost prohibitive to plenty of people.
3. They will be able to fill all practices with people that can afford this and future price increases.

Continued increases will affect more and more folks and swimming won’t be an attainable sport for many families…Just being a sport of the rich who can afford it is a recipe for disaster.

In our case, I’m sure it would be a hit for NCAP if we left…

NCAP is a business. NCAP is out to make money. And there’s enough money that they can change what they want, even if it’s bad for swimming. What is bad for swimming is not NCAP’s issue- that’s a USA swimming issue.

And no matter how important you think your kid is, no one swimmer is really important. NCAP lost one of its top young swimmers (would have won events at NCI) this year to Makos, but two PVS swimmers of the year transferred to NCAP.

In the end, it doesn’t matter. They’re still going to fill all their lanes.

I’m not saying my individual kid is all that important. He is valued on the team and would be welcome most anywhere. What you’re saying is it’s fine when they’ve priced out many of their top swimmers and their tier one groups are eventually filled with slower swimmers whose parents can pay the bills??? Being in Gold 1 doesn’t mean the same thing as it used to because they’re just filling up the lanes with whomever is willing to pay the bills?? That brings down the reputation of the team. They want to be able to broadcast that they have the best talent to encourage others to join. If that talent leaves and folks compare times they begin to see that the team maybe isn’t as strong as they think. I’m not saying that is currently happening. Just saying that could be the reality if prices keep raising like this annually. An 18% increase annually isn’t sustainable.

It wasn’t really an 18% increase though. There is a price increase associated with group advancement at your swimmer’s level at all the NCAP sites because there is more practice time and usually dryland with a trainer. So I wouldn’t count that as an unexpected increase, that is an increase that has always been there for that group and always will be there. What you really need to look at is how much did that group cost this season vs. how much it is going to cost next season. I suspect my swimmer is moving to the same level group at a different site and the increase for that group from this season to next is only $75, which is a 1.5% increase.

Staying in the same group would mean a little over 8% increase from this season’s rates to the 2024-25 rates but the reality is that kids move up about every two years so yeah it’s all part of the calculation. Obviously more practices = more lane time and coaching time so you expect an increase but the reality is that it’s A LOT and quickly becoming cost prohibiting.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:1. Swimming is expensive.
2. What is cost prohibitive to you is not cost prohibitive to plenty of people.
3. They will be able to fill all practices with people that can afford this and future price increases.

Continued increases will affect more and more folks and swimming won’t be an attainable sport for many families…Just being a sport of the rich who can afford it is a recipe for disaster.

In our case, I’m sure it would be a hit for NCAP if we left…

NCAP is a business. NCAP is out to make money. And there’s enough money that they can change what they want, even if it’s bad for swimming. What is bad for swimming is not NCAP’s issue- that’s a USA swimming issue.

And no matter how important you think your kid is, no one swimmer is really important. NCAP lost one of its top young swimmers (would have won events at NCI) this year to Makos, but two PVS swimmers of the year transferred to NCAP.

In the end, it doesn’t matter. They’re still going to fill all their lanes.

I’m not saying my individual kid is all that important. He is valued on the team and would be welcome most anywhere. What you’re saying is it’s fine when they’ve priced out many of their top swimmers and their tier one groups are eventually filled with slower swimmers whose parents can pay the bills??? Being in Gold 1 doesn’t mean the same thing as it used to because they’re just filling up the lanes with whomever is willing to pay the bills?? That brings down the reputation of the team. They want to be able to broadcast that they have the best talent to encourage others to join. If that talent leaves and folks compare times they begin to see that the team maybe isn’t as strong as they think. I’m not saying that is currently happening. Just saying that could be the reality if prices keep raising like this annually. An 18% increase annually isn’t sustainable.

It wasn’t really an 18% increase though. There is a price increase associated with group advancement at your swimmer’s level at all the NCAP sites because there is more practice time and usually dryland with a trainer. So I wouldn’t count that as an unexpected increase, that is an increase that has always been there for that group and always will be there. What you really need to look at is how much did that group cost this season vs. how much it is going to cost next season. I suspect my swimmer is moving to the same level group at a different site and the increase for that group from this season to next is only $75, which is a 1.5% increase.

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Anonymous wrote:1. Swimming is expensive.
2. What is cost prohibitive to you is not cost prohibitive to plenty of people.
3. They will be able to fill all practices with people that can afford this and future price increases.

Continued increases will affect more and more folks and swimming won’t be an attainable sport for many families…Just being a sport of the rich who can afford it is a recipe for disaster.

In our case, I’m sure it would be a hit for NCAP if we left…

NCAP is a business. NCAP is out to make money. And there’s enough money that they can change what they want, even if it’s bad for swimming. What is bad for swimming is not NCAP’s issue- that’s a USA swimming issue.

And no matter how important you think your kid is, no one swimmer is really important. NCAP lost one of its top young swimmers (would have won events at NCI) this year to Makos, but two PVS swimmers of the year transferred to NCAP.

In the end, it doesn’t matter. They’re still going to fill all their lanes.

I’m not saying my individual kid is all that important. He is valued on the team and would be welcome most anywhere. What you’re saying is it’s fine when they’ve priced out many of their top swimmers and their tier one groups are eventually filled with slower swimmers whose parents can pay the bills??? Being in Gold 1 doesn’t mean the same thing as it used to because they’re just filling up the lanes with whomever is willing to pay the bills?? That brings down the reputation of the team. They want to be able to broadcast that they have the best talent to encourage others to join. If that talent leaves and folks compare times they begin to see that the team maybe isn’t as strong as they think. I’m not saying that is currently happening. Just saying that could be the reality if prices keep raising like this annually. An 18% increase annually isn’t sustainable.

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Anonymous wrote:1. Swimming is expensive.
2. What is cost prohibitive to you is not cost prohibitive to plenty of people.
3. They will be able to fill all practices with people that can afford this and future price increases.

Continued increases will affect more and more folks and swimming won’t be an attainable sport for many families…Just being a sport of the rich who can afford it is a recipe for disaster.

In our case, I’m sure it would be a hit for NCAP if we left…

NCAP is a business. NCAP is out to make money. And there’s enough money that they can change what they want, even if it’s bad for swimming. What is bad for swimming is not NCAP’s issue- that’s a USA swimming issue.

And no matter how important you think your kid is, no one swimmer is really important. NCAP lost one of its top young swimmers (would have won events at NCI) this year to Makos, but two PVS swimmers of the year transferred to NCAP.

In the end, it doesn’t matter. They’re still going to fill all their lanes.