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Anonymous wrote:Is he being physical or putting others in danger in anyway or just being annoying?

He is being very annoying, tantrums, screaming, throwing things and not listening at all. She doesn't like his behavior and will pick him up and take him out of the classroom while he is kicking and screaming.

Where are you located? This is a huge liability in most local public school systems.

Interesting. At what age is it not okay to pick up a kid? Daycare kids have to be picked up- or is that not okay also? Should a screaming 8month old never be picked up by a caregiver other than a parent? obviously no, but where is the age line for you? Many public schools have preschoolers,some have early head start is that okay?

Are there many 8 months old in public school?

You will see teachers in PK (especially special education preschool) letting kids climb up on them, but holding and moving a kid is a huge legal risk for the teacher or assistant because it can be considered restraint.

OP, cover your own rear and share what happened with admin. The long term sub is untrained and may not realize how seriously this is taken now.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is he being physical or putting others in danger in anyway or just being annoying?

He is being very annoying, tantrums, screaming, throwing things and not listening at all. She doesn't like his behavior and will pick him up and take him out of the classroom while he is kicking and screaming.

Where are you located? This is a huge liability in most local public school systems.

Interesting. At what age is it not okay to pick up a kid? Daycare kids have to be picked up- or is that not okay also? Should a screaming 8month old never be picked up by a caregiver other than a parent? obviously no, but where is the age line for you? Many public schools have preschoolers,some have early head start is that okay?

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Anonymous wrote:There is absolutely a legal way to physically remove a disruptive kid. But there is paperwork, regulations, etc. And for good reason—someone transporting a kid needs appropriate training so that no one gets injured. OP’s situation is clearly not following guidelines.

You have way too much faith in the training. The reason for the rules (and the training) isn't safety it's liability.

It’s both.

It's a one day class

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Anonymous wrote:There is absolutely a legal way to physically remove a disruptive kid. But there is paperwork, regulations, etc. And for good reason—someone transporting a kid needs appropriate training so that no one gets injured. OP’s situation is clearly not following guidelines.

You have way too much faith in the training. The reason for the rules (and the training) isn't safety it's liability.

It’s both.

Anonymous wrote:There is absolutely a legal way to physically remove a disruptive kid. But there is paperwork, regulations, etc. And for good reason—someone transporting a kid needs appropriate training so that no one gets injured. OP’s situation is clearly not following guidelines.

You have way too much faith in the training. The reason for the rules (and the training) isn't safety it's liability.

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Anonymous wrote:I think it’s fine. Better to remove him from the class than have all the other students affected. Assuming she can do it safely.

It's not fine at all. It should be reported. This is not a small thing. Op and the teacher in question shouldn't be working with children.

You are kidding me. It is stuff like this that has made both child welfare services and education a joke. Of course an out-of-control child should be picked up and removed from a situation. And honestly, a hug from a teacher or social worker would probably solve many of these attention seeking behaviors. Done with other adults present, sure, but a "no touch" policy is not reasonable human behavior - MSW

Parents should need to sign a waiver before sending their kids to public school saying that if their kid is disruptive, the kid will be physically removed by whichever random adult happens to be around and the parent can’t sue even if they claim there are issues from that. We need to convince parents that they need to raise their kids to respect school and respect teachers because many have apparently forgotten that. The only schools that should have specifically trained adults for dealing with bad kids should be special schools for disabilities. Those kids should not be in mainstream schools.

There is absolutely a legal way to physically remove a disruptive kid. But there is paperwork, regulations, etc. And for good reason—someone transporting a kid needs appropriate training so that no one gets injured. OP’s situation is clearly not following guidelines.

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Anonymous wrote:From a legal point, it's not ok to do this. From a parent point, I wish it was. We had a kid like that in K and 1st and they evacuated a class of 25 kids instead of touching the one kid throwing things and causing an issue. Disrupting and scaring the whole class repeatedly. I wish someone just took the one kid out and have him not come back for a week. But everyone deserves a public education and there are not enough resources to manage the most challenging kids in a self contained class.

Seriously. The "training" is a joke. Evacuating all the other kids every single time this happens is idiotic. And the lack of any consequences for this behavior only encourages it to happen more often.

+100

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Anonymous wrote:I work at a school at the kinder level where there is a very immature child in my class. He pushes all of your buttons and the other long term sub in my class gets upset with him frequently. It has escalated to her lifting him up and carrying him out of the class. Is this okay or should she be reported?

Report it. No one should be lifting or transporting a child due to behavior unless they've been specially trained and even then only under very specific circumstances. If the child is in crisis, you need to either clear the room or call the office and insist/demand an administrator come down to the classroom. Document every single occurrence.
You mention this woman is the other long term sub. If there are two long term subs in a K room and no teacher, that is a problem. Your administration is at fault here.

Of course they “should” be getting rid of the problem kid rather than stopping the education of all kids and interrupting the teacher to “clear the room” every time a kid has a tantrum. It’s completely insane that some people can’t see this.

PP. Obviously yes, the "problem kid" should not be allowed to disrupt everyone else's learning. This is widely agreed upon by just about everyone who has been in a classroom lately as well as a lot of parents. However, if OP wants to keep her (?) job and avoid a kid getting injured by an untrained person, they need to follow protocol. Protocol is never to have an untrained person lifting or transporting a child.

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Anonymous wrote:I work at a school at the kinder level where there is a very immature child in my class. He pushes all of your buttons and the other long term sub in my class gets upset with him frequently. It has escalated to her lifting him up and carrying him out of the class. Is this okay or should she be reported?

Report it. No one should be lifting or transporting a child due to behavior unless they've been specially trained and even then only under very specific circumstances. If the child is in crisis, you need to either clear the room or call the office and insist/demand an administrator come down to the classroom. Document every single occurrence.
You mention this woman is the other long term sub. If there are two long term subs in a K room and no teacher, that is a problem. Your administration is at fault here.

Of course they “should” be getting rid of the problem kid rather than stopping the education of all kids and interrupting the teacher to “clear the room” every time a kid has a tantrum. It’s completely insane that some people can’t see this.

The problem arises when kids are commiting violence on teachers but the teacher cannot fight back or even protect themselves ( which looks like fighting back is putting your dukes up to cover your face from a garage of punches). Without a self defense plan you are just making the teachers unsafe. Couple this with the extreme retaliation that teachers already face when we don't fudge the numbers for corrupt admins. ...RETALATION. this is why there is a shortage and it's not getting better as they make conditions worse

It's really sad, but while she may be doing the "right" thing by all the other kids/parents, she technically isn't doing the right thing,

You may want to talk to her and let her know that she can't pick up the kid because she may get in trouble.

I would be more concerned with her getting in trouble than something happening to the kid.

Anonymous wrote:From a legal point, it's not ok to do this. From a parent point, I wish it was. We had a kid like that in K and 1st and they evacuated a class of 25 kids instead of touching the one kid throwing things and causing an issue. Disrupting and scaring the whole class repeatedly. I wish someone just took the one kid out and have him not come back for a week. But everyone deserves a public education and there are not enough resources to manage the most challenging kids in a self contained class.

Seriously. The "training" is a joke. Evacuating all the other kids every single time this happens is idiotic. And the lack of any consequences for this behavior only encourages it to happen more often.

From a legal point, it's not ok to do this. From a parent point, I wish it was. We had a kid like that in K and 1st and they evacuated a class of 25 kids instead of touching the one kid throwing things and causing an issue. Disrupting and scaring the whole class repeatedly. I wish someone just took the one kid out and have him not come back for a week. But everyone deserves a public education and there are not enough resources to manage the most challenging kids in a self contained class.