Assuming these behaviors are affecting "fairness," why didn't the TJ test administrators just change the test questions every year? You can assess readiness for the rigor of TJ without repeating the questions each year.

Anonymous wrote:There was an incident where an fcps employee gave the exact test to Marie Curie prep school. The kids memorized the answers. The employee was not fired!

I thought that was for the WISC test.

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Anonymous wrote:There is a troll here on DCUM who loves to perpetuate this lie. She repeats it to support the false narrative that TJ only admitted students from exceptionally high SES families, who could afford to (as she put it) “buy the test answers.”

Her claim is not true. It was never true.

When challenged on this falsehood, she often asserts test-preparation courses equal “buying test answers.” But, by her twisted logic, anyone’s child who does an SAT prep session or even buys a test-prep book from Amazon, has somehow “purchased the answers to the upcoming SAT.”

Call this troll out when you encounter her lies here. I’ve tried reporting her, but she’s apparently still around. I’m uncertain why she harbors such hatred towards TJ or why she insists on repeatedly lying about TJ admissions.

troll has been flooding this forum for well over a decade with limited phrases:

test buying, wealthy feeders, test bank, and their favorite obsession..... Curie!

I'm convinced it is a sock puppet for curie. They're so good that FCPS has to keep changing their admissions policy to keep out their students.

FCPS isn't just trying to keep it curie students, FCPS is trying to keep out a particular demographic to make room for other groups. It's well intentioned racism in their minds. The GOOD kind of racism

False. They weren’t trying to reduce the number of Asian students, they were trying to increase representation from across the county. That’s why they ADDED seats. It wasn’t zero sum.

Today we have kids from all middle schools, not just the affluent feeders.

Could the admissions process be improved? Sure. But it’s much, much better than it was. Having <1% of the class coming from economically-disadvantaged families (in a county with 35%+ ED) was appalling.

Anonymous wrote:You are free to believe there wasn't a test bank that was used at some prep programs but there was. Students in the program admitted it. Students admitted to providing the questions for the test bank.

Did anyone buy the test? No.

Did people pay for access to past test questions? Yes.

Was it criminal activity? No

Was it an advantage to the kids who paid to take those classes? Yes.

Is it part of the reason the Quant test was removed? Yes.

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OP, what is your proof that the cheating or test/question banks didn't happen? How was Curie so successful in preparing its students for the test? If Curie wasn't the reason the students were so successful, why were so many parents signing up for Curie?

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Anonymous wrote:You are free to believe there wasn't a test bank that was used at some prep programs but there was. Students in the program admitted it. Students admitted to providing the questions for the test bank.

Did anyone buy the test? No.

Did people pay for access to past test questions? Yes.

Was it criminal activity? No

Was it an advantage to the kids who paid to take those classes? Yes.

Is it part of the reason the Quant test was removed? Yes.

You can't take the TJ test home with you.
The best you can do is try to recall what sorry of questions we're on the test. E.g., you can say that there's were analogies and exponents on the test. Nobody recited the test questions into a test bank
These are not test banks in the commonly understood sense, no matter what the social media posts of virtue signaling teenager's may say*

*The virtue signaling teenager in question was going on about how her privilege was unfair because not everyone could afford to pay for a prep class.

You pay above average teenagers money for every question they remember and then create a bank of questions. You can even tell the teen which 5-10 to memorize. Even $10 a question will repay itself 100s back.

Yes. My child went to TJ and other kids talked about doing this. They continued to do this while at TJ for tests they took in particular classes. A teacher there also told me that students told her that their tutors asked them to do this for test question banks.

Kids at TJ have talked about these practices pretty openly. If you have a kid there, your child has probably heard about this.

I don't know if kids shared questions with Curie or not (although there are reports that this happened). What I do know is that the test TJ was using is supposed to be one kids take "cold". Prepping will skew the results. Since prep schools developed to teach kids how to prepare for it, that was having an impact on the results as kids who did not prep and took it cold naturally had different results.

And yes, part of why FCPS revised its admission approach was that a few schools were dominating the process and one ethnic group that is a minority in the region had become 70% of the student body. This extremely high level of concentration drove discussions about changes.

I am glad they got rid of the old program (as kids at certain schools or in families devoted to outside prep and math clubs had big advantages) but think the present one has flaws too. In an effort to be more inclusive the bar has now been set too low making results really arbitrary. They should keep 1.5% but do a better job of how kids are assessed within that 1.5%.

Anonymous wrote:Curie had a question bank that included many of the test questions. This is well documented and has been discussed to death. Stop trying to pretend it never happened because it doesn't suit your false narrative.

Well documented by who and where, other than your own fantasy posts on this forum and facebook?

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Anonymous wrote:There is a troll here on DCUM who loves to perpetuate this lie. She repeats it to support the false narrative that TJ only admitted students from exceptionally high SES families, who could afford to (as she put it) “buy the test answers.”

Her claim is not true. It was never true.

When challenged on this falsehood, she often asserts test-preparation courses equal “buying test answers.” But, by her twisted logic, anyone’s child who does an SAT prep session or even buys a test-prep book from Amazon, has somehow “purchased the answers to the upcoming SAT.”

Call this troll out when you encounter her lies here. I’ve tried reporting her, but she’s apparently still around. I’m uncertain why she harbors such hatred towards TJ or why she insists on repeatedly lying about TJ admissions.

troll has been flooding this forum for well over a decade with limited phrases:

test buying, wealthy feeders, test bank, and their favorite obsession..... Curie!

As she should! Unethical behavior should not be hidden, or covered up or denied (see OP), it should be called out.

She is dishonest, lies constantly, and floods this forum with her misinformation.

People are sick and tired of her schpiel.

I hope Jeff bans her from this forum.

It's probably the same troll who is constantly posting about "buying a gifted diagnosis" on the WISC in the AAP threads.

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Anonymous wrote:There is a troll here on DCUM who loves to perpetuate this lie. She repeats it to support the false narrative that TJ only admitted students from exceptionally high SES families, who could afford to (as she put it) “buy the test answers.”

Her claim is not true. It was never true.

When challenged on this falsehood, she often asserts test-preparation courses equal “buying test answers.” But, by her twisted logic, anyone’s child who does an SAT prep session or even buys a test-prep book from Amazon, has somehow “purchased the answers to the upcoming SAT.”

Call this troll out when you encounter her lies here. I’ve tried reporting her, but she’s apparently still around. I’m uncertain why she harbors such hatred towards TJ or why she insists on repeatedly lying about TJ admissions.

troll has been flooding this forum for well over a decade with limited phrases:

test buying, wealthy feeders, test bank, and their favorite obsession..... Curie!

As she should! Unethical behavior should not be hidden, or covered up or denied (see OP), it should be called out.

She is dishonest, lies constantly, and floods this forum with her misinformation.

People are sick and tired of her schpiel.

I hope Jeff bans her from this forum.

Anonymous wrote:Curie had a question bank that included many of the test questions. This is well documented and has been discussed to death. Stop trying to pretend it never happened because it doesn't suit your false narrative.

So now it's a QUESTION bank and not a TEST bank?

How many questions? Like 2 or 3 or like 40 or 50?

Are you basing this on that one social media post where a teenager claims he saw the exact same question on the test during his prep class? If not, do you have a cite?

How in your fevered imagination did they get their hands on the tests? Or on so many questions?

What they had was information about test format and the toes of questions being asked. Within 6 months of the test you could get those on Amazon.

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Anonymous wrote:There is a troll here on DCUM who loves to perpetuate this lie. She repeats it to support the false narrative that TJ only admitted students from exceptionally high SES families, who could afford to (as she put it) “buy the test answers.”

Her claim is not true. It was never true.

When challenged on this falsehood, she often asserts test-preparation courses equal “buying test answers.” But, by her twisted logic, anyone’s child who does an SAT prep session or even buys a test-prep book from Amazon, has somehow “purchased the answers to the upcoming SAT.”

Call this troll out when you encounter her lies here. I’ve tried reporting her, but she’s apparently still around. I’m uncertain why she harbors such hatred towards TJ or why she insists on repeatedly lying about TJ admissions.

troll has been flooding this forum for well over a decade with limited phrases:

test buying, wealthy feeders, test bank, and their favorite obsession..... Curie!

I'm convinced it is a sock puppet for curie. They're so good that FCPS has to keep changing their admissions policy to keep out their students.

FCPS isn't just trying to keep it curie students, FCPS is trying to keep out a particular demographic to make room for other groups. It's well intentioned racism in their minds. The GOOD kind of racism

Curie had a question bank that included many of the test questions. This is well documented and has been discussed to death. Stop trying to pretend it never happened because it doesn't suit your false narrative.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You are free to believe there wasn't a test bank that was used at some prep programs but there was. Students in the program admitted it. Students admitted to providing the questions for the test bank.

Did anyone buy the test? No.

Did people pay for access to past test questions? Yes.

Was it criminal activity? No

Was it an advantage to the kids who paid to take those classes? Yes.

Is it part of the reason the Quant test was removed? Yes.

You can't take the TJ test home with you.
The best you can do is try to recall what sorry of questions we're on the test. E.g., you can say that there's were analogies and exponents on the test. Nobody recited the test questions into a test bank
These are not test banks in the commonly understood sense, no matter what the social media posts of virtue signaling teenager's may say*

*The virtue signaling teenager in question was going on about how her privilege was unfair because not everyone could afford to pay for a prep class.

You pay above average teenagers money for every question they remember and then create a bank of questions. You can even tell the teen which 5-10 to memorize. Even $10 a question will repay itself 100s back.

Are you saying that cutie paid people and assigned questions in an organized manner?
This is a new allegation.

Do you have a cite or are you just winging it?

Most students take this test once in their life. You don't generally get a second bite at this apple. Unless you have kids that are NOT interested in TJ, get them to take the test and memorize questions, how does that work?

Anonymous wrote:There was an incident where an fcps employee gave the exact test to Marie Curie prep school. The kids memorized the answers. The employee was not fired!

This is a new one. This is not just a firing offense, if there was any money involved, it is a criminal offense.

Do you have a cite? This certainly seems newsworthy.