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Anonymous wrote:You must not be a step-parent OP.

Excellent point. Really offensive, op

OMG, stop being so offended, we left that in 2024. Sorry, there are many examples of terrible step parents who treat their step kids like crap. It happens, it’s an analogy, blame Disney.

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Anonymous wrote:Voters voted for Trump. Many of them want this. They are not the same as simply turning away.

As bad as this is for feds, 2009 was worse for the private sector especially in certain industries. And then with covid, many other industries especially service ones either had to close or had to operate with a lot of exposure to covid.

I feel bad for federal employees, I really do, but this is what the private sector has dealt with since forever. Recently during the recession and during Covid, there were so many layoffs and firings. Businesses went under, and these people had to find work. They went without work for months no insurance no backpay.

As for the voters, this is exactly what they voted for. Certainly not in the DC area, but the rest of the country did AND many Democrats have also said they wanted to do throughout the years. Obviously not this way, but it’s something that has been floating around for a while.

Lastly, the step parent analogy is gross. It’s an awful, dated and cartoonish stereotype.

It is true there have been similar things in the private sector. However, with respect, in those instances the country did not cheer those on or vote for that to happen to people (by the very people being served), nor did it come from a place of just intentionally wanting to make workers suffer and break our government. The people will pay more or less the same in taxes for a small, broken government. It is worth not overlooking those differences.

Fully agree on the final point.

Fed workers pay ZERO Fed taxes on a macro basis on their pay checks The are just paying ther Fed back with their own money. For instance I did work for the Fed briefly, Actually well paid. 240K income. Of that 240K income I paid Fed taxes But it was really just the Feds money I was giving back. My next job was a German Company, same pay. I paid Fed taxes but the money came from Germany. All profit for Fed.

Are you high?

Anonymous wrote:You must not be a step-parent OP.

Excellent point. Really offensive, op

What kind of family did you grow up in OP?

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Anonymous wrote:Voters voted for Trump. Many of them want this. They are not the same as simply turning away.

As bad as this is for feds, 2009 was worse for the private sector especially in certain industries. And then with covid, many other industries especially service ones either had to close or had to operate with a lot of exposure to covid.

It's not done being bad for feds. This is like late spring 2007 when Lehman Brothers failed but nobody else had been hit yet. The RIFs have not even started at the larger agencies.

And it's going to be worse than 2009 because Trump is destroying entire fields (i.e. not just hitting feds, but academic, nonprofit, and private sector employers involved in research etc)

+1

Also, what is being done to fed employees is being done for sheer cruelty by some of the most powerful people on earth. They are using as their ant farm to mess with for fun. None of this has to be happening. This isn’t just market forces outside of any particular person’s control.

I graduated into the recession and remember post-grad offers being rescinded, my parents’ friends losing their jobs, my parents worried about their retirement. I know it was really bad, I lived it and was unemployed for a while.

What is going on right now isn’t the same. I’ve never heard of a private sector CEO antagonizing the company’s employees, telling the world they are lazy and don’t deserve to get paid, and then destroying the local economy and job market as whole to make it impossible to find a new job once laid off.

This administration, including the OMB director, have *admitted* they want us to be vilified and traumatized. They want to ruin lives.

Find me another company trying to make millions of employees scared and miserable on top of tanking the company’s mission and ability to get the job done.

Anonymous wrote:You must not be a step-parent OP.

I am not, and just using it as example of bad blended family, obviously many steps parents love their step kids, I think you get the Cinderella analogy

Trump admin = Death Angel
Voters = Suicidal pilot
Fed Employers = Helpless passengers on the plane

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Anonymous wrote:Voters voted for Trump. Many of them want this. They are not the same as simply turning away.

As bad as this is for feds, 2009 was worse for the private sector especially in certain industries. And then with covid, many other industries especially service ones either had to close or had to operate with a lot of exposure to covid.

I feel bad for federal employees, I really do, but this is what the private sector has dealt with since forever. Recently during the recession and during Covid, there were so many layoffs and firings. Businesses went under, and these people had to find work. They went without work for months no insurance no backpay.

As for the voters, this is exactly what they voted for. Certainly not in the DC area, but the rest of the country did AND many Democrats have also said they wanted to do throughout the years. Obviously not this way, but it’s something that has been floating around for a while.

Lastly, the step parent analogy is gross. It’s an awful, dated and cartoonish stereotype.

It is true there have been similar things in the private sector. However, with respect, in those instances the country did not cheer those on or vote for that to happen to people (by the very people being served), nor did it come from a place of just intentionally wanting to make workers suffer and break our government. The people will pay more or less the same in taxes for a small, broken government. It is worth not overlooking those differences.

Fully agree on the final point.

Fed workers pay ZERO Fed taxes on a macro basis on their pay checks The are just paying ther Fed back with their own money. For instance I did work for the Fed briefly, Actually well paid. 240K income. Of that 240K income I paid Fed taxes But it was really just the Feds money I was giving back. My next job was a German Company, same pay. I paid Fed taxes but the money came from Germany. All profit for Fed.

Anonymous wrote:Voters voted for Trump. Many of them want this. They are not the same as simply turning away.

As bad as this is for feds, 2009 was worse for the private sector especially in certain industries. And then with covid, many other industries especially service ones either had to close or had to operate with a lot of exposure to covid.

The difference is that nobody wanted the layoffs to happen in 2009. Yes, Feds kept their jobs but had their salaries frozen for 2 years and then minimal raises after that, while the private sector then outpaced them in pay.
Right now we have people cheering for Feds to lose jobs and have their benefits cut, and a government that hates its own employees.

Anonymous wrote:Voters voted for Trump. Many of them want this. They are not the same as simply turning away.

As bad as this is for feds, 2009 was worse for the private sector especially in certain industries. And then with covid, many other industries especially service ones either had to close or had to operate with a lot of exposure to covid.

Except in 2009 Fed workers FIRED private workers and seem happy and smug. They loved folks in Boxes being Walked out of Lehman Brothers, they also loved in 2001/2002 shutting down Worldcom, Tyco, Enron and they loved in in 1987 crash putting big like EF Hutting out of business.

I know it is the regulators job. I know the firms deserved it. But the Feds have very very very little compassion as will throw workers on street no notice, no severance by the thousands, and seem to enjoy it

That does not get you much compassion. That is why all the regulators lay offs get no compassion

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Anonymous wrote:Voters voted for Trump. Many of them want this. They are not the same as simply turning away.

As bad as this is for feds, 2009 was worse for the private sector especially in certain industries. And then with covid, many other industries especially service ones either had to close or had to operate with a lot of exposure to covid.

I feel bad for federal employees, I really do, but this is what the private sector has dealt with since forever. Recently during the recession and during Covid, there were so many layoffs and firings. Businesses went under, and these people had to find work. They went without work for months no insurance no backpay.

As for the voters, this is exactly what they voted for. Certainly not in the DC area, but the rest of the country did AND many Democrats have also said they wanted to do throughout the years. Obviously not this way, but it’s something that has been floating around for a while.

Lastly, the step parent analogy is gross. It’s an awful, dated and cartoonish stereotype.

It is true there have been similar things in the private sector. However, with respect, in those instances the country did not cheer those on or vote for that to happen to people (by the very people being served), nor did it come from a place of just intentionally wanting to make workers suffer and break our government. The people will pay more or less the same in taxes for a small, broken government. It is worth not overlooking those differences.

Fully agree on the final point.

Anonymous wrote:Voters voted for Trump. Many of them want this. They are not the same as simply turning away.

As bad as this is for feds, 2009 was worse for the private sector especially in certain industries. And then with covid, many other industries especially service ones either had to close or had to operate with a lot of exposure to covid.

I feel bad for federal employees, I really do, but this is what the private sector has dealt with since forever. Recently during the recession and during Covid, there were so many layoffs and firings. Businesses went under, and these people had to find work. They went without work for months no insurance no backpay.

As for the voters, this is exactly what they voted for. Certainly not in the DC area, but the rest of the country did AND many Democrats have also said they wanted to do throughout the years. Obviously not this way, but it’s something that has been floating around for a while.

Lastly, the step parent analogy is gross. It’s an awful, dated and cartoonish stereotype.

Anonymous wrote:Trying to come up with good analogy for federal workers to use to explain to non federal workers friends family.

Trump Admin = Step father
Voters = mom
Fed workers = step child

In other words, the step father resents you, hates you, abuses you and you are completely powerless. The mother justifies and defends the step father, ignores the abuse.

The child’s life is being ruined, they are powerless in the situation.

Seems on point to me.

Biden Admin = Good for nothing over aged biological father that drank and beat his wife then left her with a kid that had a developmental disorder.

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Anonymous wrote:Also I live near a lot of feds and while we were dealing with unemployment they were comparing their paid time off during months congress couldn't agree on a budget to the months we weren't getting paid. To say it was annoying to watch them have extended vacations year after year is an understatement.

It's obviously stupid for anyone in this area to be against government, but generally most people have seen the government have many fewer employment issues to deal with than the private sector. In rural areas some jobs have completely dried up. Their analogy is that the rich ignore and make fun of the workers that make them stuff to use.

The longest gov shutdown was 35 days not 'months' and they do not happen year after year. Feds do not get paid till they are over which is a stress.

Well, at least Fed people did receive back pay, unlike govt contractors who didn't receive any for back pay.

The contractors are losing work faster than the feds where I am. This isn't really a "gotcha," the suffering is not going to be limited to the people you think it should be.

Anonymous wrote:Voters voted for Trump. Many of them want this. They are not the same as simply turning away.

As bad as this is for feds, 2009 was worse for the private sector especially in certain industries. And then with covid, many other industries especially service ones either had to close or had to operate with a lot of exposure to covid.

Much of the federal workforce had to open with a lot of exposure to COVID, too -- specifically the 1/6 working in federal healthcare.