Anonymous wrote:Look, this is easy. You can tell that some people really live their faiths. Pence, Romney, Biden, Pelosi, etc. Politics doesn't come into it.

Vance? It's clear as day that he's been a vine looking for support all his life. He needs to feel part of something bigger than himself, and the Catholic Church is indeed a very powerful, long-lived, storied, somewhat mysterious, secretive and glitzy organization. He even had to build up to it. But I don't think he has a principled or God-fearing bone in his body, that man. I'd put Lindsay Graham in that category as well. Those two are deeply insecure people who due to their childhood upbringings, were born to be attracted to the schoolyard bullies. Their jobs in life are Attack Dog and Greek Chorus. They're not leaders.

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Anonymous wrote:This man is not a Catholic.
He wasnt raised one and doesnt follow the Church's teaching.
He defends and apologizes for the Antichrist.
He deemed fit to try and lecture our Holy Father and then blow off criticism of the blasphemous mockery of his death.
Please excommunicate this man.

He also killed the Pope. He's a Pope killer.

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Anonymous wrote:This thread is disturbing. It is not up to us to judge whether or not Vance or Pelosi or Biden or anyone else is a fake Catholic or Protestant or Jew or Mormon or Muslim.

This is matter between God and the individual's conscience.

There are some basic rules to being a Catholic and it's to raise your kids as Catholic and he did not baptize them so no.

This is the rule for couples married in the Catholic church. This did not happen with the Vances, but their marriage is viewed as licit by the church as they were both Catholics. In this circumstance of JD but not Usha converting to Catholicism after marriage, the general rule for baptizing and raising your children as Catholics does not apply.

Rather, the church gives priority to not disrupting the bonds of marriage by creating acrimony between the couple. For example, it may be the case that Usha is adamant that the children make a choice whether to be baptized or not. If she cannot be dissuaded by gentle encouragement, Vance is not obliged to baptize the children against her wishes and, in fact, the church would discourage him from doing so for fear of damage to the marriage.

This is handled as a pastoral matter, where the priest encourages the couple to baptize the children, raise them as Catholics, and see to their catechisis. In the Vance's case, JD takes them to mass (with Usha) and sends them to Catholic schools, which Usha may have accepted. But she may continue to hold out on baptism. That said, I believe the oldest son decided to be baptized when he was seven, so one of the children is baptized.

^^ second sentence should read "...as they were both non-Catholics."

But he was supposedly an evangelical when he married, they are counseled strenuously not to "yoke themselves with unbelievers." Face it, there is nothing remotely visible in this man's life that is consistent with any faith he has professed. He converted when he started getting into the Leonard Leo FedSoc power vortex because it was expedient to do so.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This thread is disturbing. It is not up to us to judge whether or not Vance or Pelosi or Biden or anyone else is a fake Catholic or Protestant or Jew or Mormon or Muslim.

This is matter between God and the individual's conscience.

There are some basic rules to being a Catholic and it's to raise your kids as Catholic and he did not baptize them so no.

This is the rule for couples married in the Catholic church. This did not happen with the Vances, but their marriage is viewed as licit by the church as they were both Catholics. In this circumstance of JD but not Usha converting to Catholicism after marriage, the general rule for baptizing and raising your children as Catholics does not apply.

Rather, the church gives priority to not disrupting the bonds of marriage by creating acrimony between the couple. For example, it may be the case that Usha is adamant that the children make a choice whether to be baptized or not. If she cannot be dissuaded by gentle encouragement, Vance is not obliged to baptize the children against her wishes and, in fact, the church would discourage him from doing so for fear of damage to the marriage.

This is handled as a pastoral matter, where the priest encourages the couple to baptize the children, raise them as Catholics, and see to their catechisis. In the Vance's case, JD takes them to mass (with Usha) and sends them to Catholic schools, which Usha may have accepted. But she may continue to hold out on baptism. That said, I believe the oldest son decided to be baptized when he was seven, so one of the children is baptized.

^^ second sentence should read "...as they were both non-Catholics."

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This thread is disturbing. It is not up to us to judge whether or not Vance or Pelosi or Biden or anyone else is a fake Catholic or Protestant or Jew or Mormon or Muslim.

This is matter between God and the individual's conscience.

There are some basic rules to being a Catholic and it's to raise your kids as Catholic and he did not baptize them so no.

This is the rule for couples married in the Catholic church. This did not happen with the Vances, but their marriage is viewed as licit by the church as they were both Catholics. In this circumstance of JD but not Usha converting to Catholicism after marriage, the general rule for baptizing and raising your children as Catholics does not apply.

Rather, the church gives priority to not disrupting the bonds of marriage by creating acrimony between the couple. For example, it may be the case that Usha is adamant that the children make a choice whether to be baptized or not. If she cannot be dissuaded by gentle encouragement, Vance is not obliged to baptize the children against her wishes and, in fact, the church would discourage him from doing so for fear of damage to the marriage.

This is handled as a pastoral matter, where the priest encourages the couple to baptize the children, raise them as Catholics, and see to their catechisis. In the Vance's case, JD takes them to mass (with Usha) and sends them to Catholic schools, which Usha may have accepted. But she may continue to hold out on baptism. That said, I believe the oldest son decided to be baptized when he was seven, so one of the children is baptized.

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Anonymous wrote:This thread is disturbing. It is not up to us to judge whether or not Vance or Pelosi or Biden or anyone else is a fake Catholic or Protestant or Jew or Mormon or Muslim.

This is matter between God and the individual's conscience.

There are some basic rules to being a Catholic and it's to raise your kids as Catholic and he did not baptize them so no.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This thread is disturbing. It is not up to us to judge whether or not Vance or Pelosi or Biden or anyone else is a fake Catholic or Protestant or Jew or Mormon or Muslim.

This is matter between God and the individual's conscience.

There are some basic rules to being a Catholic and it's to raise your kids as Catholic and he did not baptize them so no.

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Anonymous wrote:This man is not a Catholic.
He wasnt raised one and doesnt follow the Church's teaching.
He defends and apologizes for the Antichrist.
He deemed fit to try and lecture our Holy Father and then blow off criticism of the blasphemous mockery of his death.
Please excommunicate this man.

He also killed the Pope. He's a Pope killer.

Anonymous wrote:This thread is disturbing. It is not up to us to judge whether or not Vance or Pelosi or Biden or anyone else is a fake Catholic or Protestant or Jew or Mormon or Muslim.

This is matter between God and the individual's conscience.

Anonymous wrote:Let me introduce you to Nancy Pelosi.

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Anonymous wrote:This thread is disturbing. It is not up to us to judge whether or not Vance or Pelosi or Biden or anyone else is a fake Catholic or Protestant or Jew or Mormon or Muslim.

This is matter between God and the individual's conscience.

We can observe if they are hypocrites. They (mis)lead the country through hypocrisy, which is our business. You're right their relationship with God is their business. However, their relationship with the truth towards the American people is our business.

Anonymous wrote:This thread is disturbing. It is not up to us to judge whether or not Vance or Pelosi or Biden or anyone else is a fake Catholic or Protestant or Jew or Mormon or Muslim.

This is matter between God and the individual's conscience.

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Anonymous wrote:Let me introduce you to Nancy Pelosi.

A Catholic mother of 5 who did not impose her theology on the citizenry? Who went to Catholic school and raised her children in the church? Who received communion from the Pope?
Biden, no divorces, spiritually and personally opposed to abortion and evolved to being politically pro-choice? Also went to Catholic school and seriously considered entering the priesthood? Also raised his children in the church.
You are really reaching.

Vance is a FedSoc Catholic that doesn't participate meaningfully in Catholic life nor is he raising his children in the church. He is involved with political groups that are attempting to influence the Cardinals, something that JPII made excommunicable. That's one thing among many,