Anonymous
04/30/2025 10:15
Subject: Re:New York state shutting down free trade
FAFO Elon. If you sleep with dogs, you wake up with fleas.
Anonymous
04/30/2025 10:12
Subject: Re:New York state shutting down free trade
Anonymous wrote:
Wisconsin already does this.
Other states will follow.
Oh well.
Loss for the consumer. Pay more for your car because of third party model. The problem in America is the chokehold that the status quo has. On lots of things. We will be under China's thumb soon enough.
Thanks to Donald, yes. However, at least China has some kind of functional leadership.
Anonymous
04/30/2025 10:06
Subject: New York state shutting down free trade
I'm not sure why posts about the CEO of Tesla get deleted but NY has every right to treat Tesla differently when citizens of NY have been harmed by Tesla through the actions of the company's leadership.
Anonymous
04/30/2025 09:43
Subject: New York state shutting down free trade
Elon musk treats New Yorkers like garbage so why should he get any special exceptions from New York. The administration he helped put in place is helping tank the economy in New York and everywhere else and making us all poorer. If that's what you want to do then you don't get any special exceptions. Sorry.
Anonymous
04/30/2025 09:21
Subject: New York state shutting down free trade
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
I guess we've got a "both sides" situation. What other companies will NY state restrict from doing business (for purely political reasons)? This isn't the right way to play. Innovative business models to save money are not welcome in NY state.
https://fortune.com/2025/04/28/elon-musk-tesla-sales-new-york-state-government/
Actually, sounds like they have only Tesla an examption so they are just putting Tesla in the same category as other manufacturers. This seems reasonable (why would Tesla have an exemption in the first place?). I mean, you can reasonably argue whether it’s a good rule or not, but it doesn’t seem wrong to treat Tesla like everyone else.
I hope you're not a stupid as this argument suggests. No one is fooled that this move is about putting Tesla in the same category of manufacturers. This is an underhanded, punitive response to the fact that Democrats feel they can't get at Elon Musk, so they'll get at his business and make collateral damage of consumers in the process. Way to seize defeat from the jaws of victory and shift consumer anger from Elon Musk to Democrats.
Anonymous
04/30/2025 09:17
Subject: Re:New York state shutting down free trade
Of course, we have a both sides issue on pretty much all of the misdeeds Democrats play victim on. One of the many problems with partisanship is that it makes people petty, shortsighted, and stupid.
This is a very stupid plan. Even if we don't care about the country and about the moral high ground, is it really smart to contribute additional ideas to the marketplace of antidemocratic tactics intended to punish political opponents?
Democrats are out of power for the next four years. Does anyone really think Republicans won't respond by targeting a key Democratic donor or even an entire class of Democratic donors the exact same way?
The biggest problem this country has is that we have two cultish, power hungry parties that do not care about the country. I'm not surprised the moronic Democrats who run New York, who are second only to the numbskulls of California, are behind this.
This is a very stupid plan. Even if we don't care about the country and about the moral high ground, is it really smart to contribute additional ideas to the marketplace of antidemocratic tactics intended to punish political opponents?
Democrats are out of power for the next four years. Does anyone really think Republicans won't respond by targeting a key Democratic donor or even an entire class of Democratic donors the exact same way?
The biggest problem this country has is that we have two cultish, power hungry parties that do not care about the country. I'm not surprised the moronic Democrats who run New York, who are second only to the numbskulls of California, are behind this.
Anonymous
04/30/2025 09:11
Subject: Re:New York state shutting down free trade
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Rivian also comes under this law. Any EV car company would come under this. So nobody will start an EV car company.
It's my understanding that the law was always there, just that individual companies can be granted waivers. In this case, only Tesla's waiver will be revoked, not Rivian's.
And that is not discriminatory? How is that?
You are ok with some discrimination, just not the one liberal states impose?
Anonymous
04/30/2025 09:10
Subject: New York state shutting down free trade
The future of the U.S. has been predicted as a loose confederation or separate states for those that can support their economies. Academic papers have researched and predicted this.
Nothing unusual about this happening. Consumerism, you know, OP. Do you know what consumerism is? If the product is not welcome, they will not sell it.,
Nothing unusual about this happening. Consumerism, you know, OP. Do you know what consumerism is? If the product is not welcome, they will not sell it.,
Anonymous
04/30/2025 09:07
Subject: Re:New York state shutting down free trade
Anonymous wrote:
Rivian also comes under this law. Any EV car company would come under this. So nobody will start an EV car company.
It's my understanding that the law was always there, just that individual companies can be granted waivers. In this case, only Tesla's waiver will be revoked, not Rivian's.
If Rivian becomes too successful their "waiver" will be revoked. Just wait. Enjoy your car dealership buying experience!
Anonymous
04/30/2025 09:04
Subject: Re:New York state shutting down free trade
Anonymous wrote:
OP here. I vote Democratic, but this is too much government interference in individual choice and freedom. WTF. Do we want cheaper cars or not?
We have to balance many competing things - e.g., inexpensive prices for goods + business opportunities for Americans + reasonable working conditions & pay.
One could argue that the desire for cheap prices at the expense of American jobs heavily contributed to the loss of manufacturing, which contributed to the anger and resentment that middle America has, which brought us MAGA.[/quote]
One could argue that and yes, that is a MAGA argument, but NY is led by a Democratic governor. Also it is not typically Republicans who want to dismantle free trade. Just give it a while and people will realize why they are paying more for things. And Democrats won't have clean hands in the process (especially if they keep taking away competitive business models). Competitive business models help America.
Anonymous
04/30/2025 09:00
Subject: Re:New York state shutting down free trade
Anonymous wrote:
Rivian also comes under this law. Any EV car company would come under this. So nobody will start an EV car company.
It's my understanding that the law was always there, just that individual companies can be granted waivers. In this case, only Tesla's waiver will be revoked, not Rivian's.
Your "understanding" is not correct. Anyone who follows that business model will be locked out.
Anonymous
04/30/2025 08:59
Subject: Re:New York state shutting down free trade
Anonymous wrote:
Rivian also comes under this law. Any EV car company would come under this. So nobody will start an EV car company.
It's my understanding that the law was always there, just that individual companies can be granted waivers. In this case, only Tesla's waiver will be revoked, not Rivian's.
And that is not discriminatory? How is that?
Anonymous
04/30/2025 08:58
Subject: Re:New York state shutting down free trade
Wisconsin already does this.
Other states will follow.
Oh well.
Yes, nonprogressive states.
Anonymous
04/30/2025 08:58
Subject: Re:New York state shutting down free trade
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
I guess we've got a "both sides" situation. What other companies will NY state restrict from doing business (for purely political reasons)? This isn't the right way to play. Innovative business models to save money are not welcome in NY state.
https://fortune.com/2025/04/28/elon-musk-tesl...rk-state-government/
Actually, sounds like they have only Tesla an examption so they are just putting Tesla in the same category as other manufacturers. This seems reasonable (why would Tesla have an exemption in the first place?). I mean, you can reasonably argue whether it’s a good rule or not, but it doesn’t seem wrong to treat Tesla like everyone else.
Rivian also comes under this law. Any EV car company would come under this. So nobody will start an EV car company.
It's my understanding that the law was always there, just that individual companies can be granted waivers. In this case, only Tesla's waiver will be revoked, not Rivian's.
Anonymous
04/30/2025 08:57
Subject: Re:New York state shutting down free trade
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Loss for the consumer. Pay more for your car because of third party model. The problem in America is the chokehold that the status quo has. On lots of things. We will be under China's thumb soon enough.
So is having Trump as POTUS.
Again, oh well.
Doesn't help for Democrats to double down.
What happens in Albany is unlikely to significantly hurt the NY delegation to the US Congress.