I’m in Florida now and there is a lady from
Ny or Nj who is soo loud. She’s here with a bunch of teenagers and it’s just ridiculous how much she yells. I think she’s drunk and her kids think it’s embarrassing. Doesn’t seem that atypical for New Yorkers though and I think millennials are the worst offenders.

A lot of it is cultural. For example, if youre traveling throughout Asia, it is almost ALWAYS the Chinese who will be incredibly loud and hang out in public spaces.

Anonymous wrote:Social media has conditioned us to only think about us. Selfies, curated content about ourselves, generating followers and likes. Conditioned to be the best athlete, student....seek prestige, $$$, accolades. Me...me...me... It is no longer worthwhile to be kind and respectful as that will cause us to lose our edge and freedom transferring "power" to someone else. If I open the door for you, you are superior. If I stop my kids from running up and down the hotel hallway they lose their fun while you gain your peace. Can't have that.

I'll add to this that part of it is the newer idea that people are entitled to exceptions to the social norms. For several years there was a push that everyone's preferences/quirks should be accommodated, instead of those people trying harder to follow the rules.

Your health is declining and it's making you more sensitive to noise.

All of the people talking about loud Americans—who are you comparing them to? Have you ever heard how loudly your Latino neighbors talk on the phone? Have you spent any time in Asia? Go take a train in China if you want to hear people talking loudly in public. No one is louder than Chinese people. No one.

And for all of the people talking about this as a new phenomenon—how old are you? I can definitely remember dealing with the same issue 30 years ago, when I first started traveling. I recall feeling like a hero when I shushed a couple who were talking so loudly no one could sleep in first class on my very first trans-Atlantic flight.

Lack of consideration is not new and not uniquely American.

I have hearing loss. I have had it since I was maybe 25. Sometimes my voice is louder than I realize. I respond well to a polite cue. My spouse will cue me if they are with me. Other than that I have no idea I am being loud.

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Anonymous wrote:Is this cultural? Bad manners? It’s increasingly common even in “nice” hotels.

Calling to kids or spouse across a beach or down a long hallway. Allowing kids to run and scream indoors? It’s so selfish and inconsiderate. I am traveling with my own kids and dont expect silence, just common courtesy.

Thankfully we’re able to afford nice places that don’t have these problems. Maybe try increasing your hotel budget? I’m not being snarky. We honestly experienced far less stress on vacation when we upped the budget and stayed in better lodging. The better service, amenities, and location make a world of difference.

OP here. I don’t think this is it. The resort is very pricey - the families just seem quite entitled. I think the bigger issue is too many kids (even thought we have our kids here too, but they are calm/behaved and also a bit older than the median kid here.) The worse offenders are the family that rented the largest cabana here.

Anonymous wrote:Is this cultural? Bad manners? It’s increasingly common even in “nice” hotels.

Calling to kids or spouse across a beach or down a long hallway. Allowing kids to run and scream indoors? It’s so selfish and inconsiderate. I am traveling with my own kids and dont expect silence, just common courtesy.

Thankfully we’re able to afford nice places that don’t have these problems. Maybe try increasing your hotel budget? I’m not being snarky. We honestly experienced far less stress on vacation when we upped the budget and stayed in better lodging. The better service, amenities, and location make a world of difference.

95% of people are pretty trashy, wealth doesn't equate to class.

Anonymous wrote:Social media has conditioned us to only think about us. Selfies, curated content about ourselves, generating followers and likes. Conditioned to be the best athlete, student....seek prestige, $$$, accolades. Me...me...me... It is no longer worthwhile to be kind and respectful as that will cause us to lose our edge and freedom transferring "power" to someone else. If I open the door for you, you are superior. If I stop my kids from running up and down the hotel hallway they lose their fun while you gain your peace. Can't have that.

This is very well-stated.
I'm extremely social media shy and don't like drawing attention to myself at all. I think growing up in a sober New England town, drawing any attention drew the wrong attention and you were quickly cut down to size. It amazes me that everyone doesn't feel this way.

I'm in Atlanta this week for the first time and am finding everyone has the best manners. My hotel is full of kids and no noise or behavior problems at all. I am usually irritated by now, but this is so nice!

Anonymous wrote:OP here. No its 40 something parents basically shouting across the lobby/pool/hotel hallway etc about what they are doing/where they are going/who is meeting them there or coordinating which parent is taking which kids where or whatever. Or they scream at their kids to come get sunscreen or eat lunch. But rather than do this at normal volume next to each other, they just shout from wherever they happen to be like they own the whole place. They are also the ones not surprising their kids at all.

The 40+ are just tired to go to their kid and tell them.

It’s not just public areas of hotels, it’s also pediatrician offices, playgrounds (especially playgrounds), and I feel it’s a sort of bragging, “look at me, I am interacting with my kid”.

OP here. No its 40 something parents basically shouting across the lobby/pool/hotel hallway etc about what they are doing/where they are going/who is meeting them there or coordinating which parent is taking which kids where or whatever. Or they scream at their kids to come get sunscreen or eat lunch. But rather than do this at normal volume next to each other, they just shout from wherever they happen to be like they own the whole place. They are also the ones not surprising their kids at all.

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Anonymous wrote:I think people listen to music on headphones, earbuds, etc. way too loud and it not only is bad for their hearing but changes what they think a conversational volume is.

This wasn't the case as 20 years ago when normal people rarely had noise-canceling.

I actually find it’s often older Americans. They are just naturally loud and I don’t mean in an obnoxious or rude way. Just like their normal volume is set to loud so you can hear every word of their normal conversation.

Hearing loss.