Anonymous
04/12/2025 19:48
Subject: Re:REAL ID and MAGA
If proof of citizenship is required to exercise the right to vote, the following needs to happen:
1. No fees for registering a birth or getting copies of birth certificates.
2. No fees for Social Security applications (I don't think there is one, anyhow, but it should remain that way.
3. No fee for State photo ID.
4. Maximum wait of 1 week for ID to be processed.
5. "Pro bono" lawyers and trained personnel to assist citizens with gathering paperwork if there are issues, discrepancies, etc., so they have no impediment to exercising their right to vote.
6. Civil or even criminal penalties for anyone failing to assist a citizen to access needed documentation in a timely manner. Anyone deliberately making it hard for people to prove their citizenship needs to feel the repercussions of their attempts to disrupt.
1. No fees for registering a birth or getting copies of birth certificates.
2. No fees for Social Security applications (I don't think there is one, anyhow, but it should remain that way.
3. No fee for State photo ID.
4. Maximum wait of 1 week for ID to be processed.
5. "Pro bono" lawyers and trained personnel to assist citizens with gathering paperwork if there are issues, discrepancies, etc., so they have no impediment to exercising their right to vote.
6. Civil or even criminal penalties for anyone failing to assist a citizen to access needed documentation in a timely manner. Anyone deliberately making it hard for people to prove their citizenship needs to feel the repercussions of their attempts to disrupt.
Anonymous
04/12/2025 19:42
Subject: REAL ID and MAGA
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Many of my MAGA relatives were very unhappy about REAL ID and decided to step down to regular ID because they rarely fly. Didn't want to get all the paperwork.
They are idiots just as much as the folks that don't think an ID should be required when voting are. "All the paperwork"?? Seriously? Folks need to get their acts together.
Well, the people screaming about voter ID seem to think it is a problem. Funny, people seem readily able to get the "paperwork" together for their SS benefits.
Actually, that's not so true.
Lack of documentation is definitely a hindrance to people accessing federal assistance, and has been for a long time.
Anonymous
04/12/2025 19:26
Subject: REAL ID and MAGA
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Many of my MAGA relatives were very unhappy about REAL ID and decided to step down to regular ID because they rarely fly. Didn't want to get all the paperwork.
They are idiots just as much as the folks that don't think an ID should be required when voting are. "All the paperwork"?? Seriously? Folks need to get their acts together.
Getting a "Real ID" in Maryland was a pain in the a$$ for me back a few years ago.
I managed it, but it took a while.
The problem was that the birth certificate I already had, from New York State, was not acceptable to the Maryland DMV. It had everything that was needed and required on it (raised seal, full name of my parents, location of my birth) but for some weird reason NYS called it a "certificate of birth registration" instead of a "birth certificate" and so Maryland DMV decided it wasn't official enough.
I had to order a new copy of my birth certificate sent to me, which took about weeks, and cost me whatever VitalCheck was charging back then. Probably about $25ish?
In addition, I needed proof of residency. Well, at that point, we paid most of our bills online, so we didn't have a lot of official mail coming to our home. At that time, the DMV told us we couldn't just print out something from our online accounts, it needed to be something mailed to us.
The few bills that were mailed were all in my husband's name. Old fashioned, I know, but that's just how it was. Ironically, it was a letter FROM the MD DMV that I was able to use as proof of my residency.
At the time I did not have a passport, either. I did have a Social Security card, but the names on my birth certificate, marriage license, and Social Security Card didn't entirely match up (I started using my middle initial and my maiden names as my middle name for my social security card, but not for my MD drivers license. And my mail as proof of residency was just my first name, maiden name initial, and married last name. They eventually accepted it but it was a little dicey.
It wasn't impossibly hard to get the real ID but it wasn't super simple, either. I had to go to the DMV three times. Fortunately I was a teacher and was on summer break so I didn't have to miss work.
You realize Real ID has been in the works since 2005 (give or take) and they already postponed implementation years ago?
Enough of the crocodile tears and excuses.
They have no qualms instituting checks for firearms purchases. I don't want to hear it. Comply or suffer.
Idiot. I got my Real ID taken care of in 2019. (This was the post I made aboutthe NYS issue back then)
https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/814550.page
I'm not crying about it. I'm just explaining that it isn't as straightforward as you may think to get this needed paperwork.
In addition, did you know that my Real ID from MD would NOT count towards proving US citizenship if it is required in order to register to vote?
Those with Real ID, but without passports, will need to go through this process AGAIN.
Since voting is a Constitutional right, the federal government should provide support and funding for people to get copies of any necessary documentation, if we are going to have a law requiring this documentation to access a Constitutional right.
Copies of Birth Certificates must be free. And people who need to take time off from work to get needed identification should have paid time off to do so.
Anonymous
04/12/2025 19:21
Subject: REAL ID and MAGA
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Many of my MAGA relatives were very unhappy about REAL ID and decided to step down to regular ID because they rarely fly. Didn't want to get all the paperwork.
They are idiots just as much as the folks that don't think an ID should be required when voting are. "All the paperwork"?? Seriously? Folks need to get their acts together.
Getting a "Real ID" in Maryland was a pain in the a$$ for me back a few years ago.
I managed it, but it took a while.
The problem was that the birth certificate I already had, from New York State, was not acceptable to the Maryland DMV. It had everything that was needed and required on it (raised seal, full name of my parents, location of my birth) but for some weird reason NYS called it a "certificate of birth registration" instead of a "birth certificate" and so Maryland DMV decided it wasn't official enough.
I had to order a new copy of my birth certificate sent to me, which took about weeks, and cost me whatever VitalCheck was charging back then. Probably about $25ish?
In addition, I needed proof of residency. Well, at that point, we paid most of our bills online, so we didn't have a lot of official mail coming to our home. At that time, the DMV told us we couldn't just print out something from our online accounts, it needed to be something mailed to us.
The few bills that were mailed were all in my husband's name. Old fashioned, I know, but that's just how it was. Ironically, it was a letter FROM the MD DMV that I was able to use as proof of my residency.
At the time I did not have a passport, either. I did have a Social Security card, but the names on my birth certificate, marriage license, and Social Security Card didn't entirely match up (I started using my middle initial and my maiden names as my middle name for my social security card, but not for my MD drivers license. And my mail as proof of residency was just my first name, maiden name initial, and married last name. They eventually accepted it but it was a little dicey.
It wasn't impossibly hard to get the real ID but it wasn't super simple, either. I had to go to the DMV three times. Fortunately I was a teacher and was on summer break so I didn't have to miss work.
This is off topic, but if you do not have a credit card in your own name, get one now. A friend's DH died. She always thought her name was on the credit card, but she was only on there as an "authorized user." So, she could no longer use her credit card. You need to apply for a credit card with your name and social security number. That likely would have helped if you had a bill with your address on it.
I have them in my own name, but I wasn't getting statements mailed to my house, so I didn't have any mail to bring in as proof.
DMV said a printed statement with my name and address wasn't acceptable. It needed to come through the mail. Pretty much everything we had was online. The few things we still got mail statements for happened to be in my husband's name.
Eventually I was able to find something, but the point is, it was a bit of a hassle.
Anonymous
04/12/2025 18:19
Subject: REAL ID and MAGA
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Many of my MAGA relatives were very unhappy about REAL ID and decided to step down to regular ID because they rarely fly. Didn't want to get all the paperwork.
They are idiots just as much as the folks that don't think an ID should be required when voting are. "All the paperwork"?? Seriously? Folks need to get their acts together.
Getting a "Real ID" in Maryland was a pain in the a$$ for me back a few years ago.
I managed it, but it took a while.
The problem was that the birth certificate I already had, from New York State, was not acceptable to the Maryland DMV. It had everything that was needed and required on it (raised seal, full name of my parents, location of my birth) but for some weird reason NYS called it a "certificate of birth registration" instead of a "birth certificate" and so Maryland DMV decided it wasn't official enough.
I had to order a new copy of my birth certificate sent to me, which took about weeks, and cost me whatever VitalCheck was charging back then. Probably about $25ish?
In addition, I needed proof of residency. Well, at that point, we paid most of our bills online, so we didn't have a lot of official mail coming to our home. At that time, the DMV told us we couldn't just print out something from our online accounts, it needed to be something mailed to us.
The few bills that were mailed were all in my husband's name. Old fashioned, I know, but that's just how it was. Ironically, it was a letter FROM the MD DMV that I was able to use as proof of my residency.
At the time I did not have a passport, either. I did have a Social Security card, but the names on my birth certificate, marriage license, and Social Security Card didn't entirely match up (I started using my middle initial and my maiden names as my middle name for my social security card, but not for my MD drivers license. And my mail as proof of residency was just my first name, maiden name initial, and married last name. They eventually accepted it but it was a little dicey.
It wasn't impossibly hard to get the real ID but it wasn't super simple, either. I had to go to the DMV three times. Fortunately I was a teacher and was on summer break so I didn't have to miss work.
You realize Real ID has been in the works since 2005 (give or take) and they already postponed implementation years ago?
Enough of the crocodile tears and excuses.
They have no qualms instituting checks for firearms purchases. I don't want to hear it. Comply or suffer.
Anonymous
04/12/2025 18:18
Subject: REAL ID and MAGA
She is busy investigating the Governor and DA of New Jersey. No charges but they will be investigated! Maybe they do not have real ID?
Anonymous
04/12/2025 18:17
Subject: REAL ID and MAGA
Anonymous wrote:If the federal building is open to the public, it’s a 4th-amendment violation to require ID to enter them.
Are you sure about that?
Anonymous
04/12/2025 18:10
Subject: REAL ID and MAGA
If the federal building is open to the public, it’s a 4th-amendment violation to require ID to enter them.
Anonymous
04/12/2025 17:49
Subject: REAL ID and MAGA
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Many of my MAGA relatives were very unhappy about REAL ID and decided to step down to regular ID because they rarely fly. Didn't want to get all the paperwork.
They are idiots just as much as the folks that don't think an ID should be required when voting are. "All the paperwork"?? Seriously? Folks need to get their acts together.
Getting a "Real ID" in Maryland was a pain in the a$$ for me back a few years ago.
I managed it, but it took a while.
The problem was that the birth certificate I already had, from New York State, was not acceptable to the Maryland DMV. It had everything that was needed and required on it (raised seal, full name of my parents, location of my birth) but for some weird reason NYS called it a "certificate of birth registration" instead of a "birth certificate" and so Maryland DMV decided it wasn't official enough.
I had to order a new copy of my birth certificate sent to me, which took about weeks, and cost me whatever VitalCheck was charging back then. Probably about $25ish?
In addition, I needed proof of residency. Well, at that point, we paid most of our bills online, so we didn't have a lot of official mail coming to our home. At that time, the DMV told us we couldn't just print out something from our online accounts, it needed to be something mailed to us.
The few bills that were mailed were all in my husband's name. Old fashioned, I know, but that's just how it was. Ironically, it was a letter FROM the MD DMV that I was able to use as proof of my residency.
At the time I did not have a passport, either. I did have a Social Security card, but the names on my birth certificate, marriage license, and Social Security Card didn't entirely match up (I started using my middle initial and my maiden names as my middle name for my social security card, but not for my MD drivers license. And my mail as proof of residency was just my first name, maiden name initial, and married last name. They eventually accepted it but it was a little dicey.
It wasn't impossibly hard to get the real ID but it wasn't super simple, either. I had to go to the DMV three times. Fortunately I was a teacher and was on summer break so I didn't have to miss work.
This is off topic, but if you do not have a credit card in your own name, get one now. A friend's DH died. She always thought her name was on the credit card, but she was only on there as an "authorized user." So, she could no longer use her credit card. You need to apply for a credit card with your name and social security number. That likely would have helped if you had a bill with your address on it.
Anonymous
04/12/2025 17:42
Subject: REAL ID and MAGA
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Many of my MAGA relatives were very unhappy about REAL ID and decided to step down to regular ID because they rarely fly. Didn't want to get all the paperwork.
They are idiots just as much as the folks that don't think an ID should be required when voting are. "All the paperwork"?? Seriously? Folks need to get their acts together.
Well, the people screaming about voter ID seem to think it is a problem. Funny, people seem readily able to get the "paperwork" together for their SS benefits.
I have done both and SS requires fewer documents. SS already knows who you are. I didn’t need a utility bill or to show my house deed to get Social Security. The DMV would not accept my current unexpired drivers license as proof of identity even though their brochure lists it. I’m trying to figure out how to get my youngest Real ID when he doesn’t have a lease or pay utilities. He’s still a student.
Then, he likely has something from the school system to prove his residency.
Anonymous
04/12/2025 17:39
Subject: Re:REAL ID and MAGA
Anonymous wrote:(Sorry -- the process took about 6 weeks to get my NYS birth certificate.)
And, that is why they gave you years and years to get it. And, now you have the appropriate birth certificate which you will need when you apply to get Social Security.
All of this talk, but you need documentation when you turn 65.
Anonymous
04/12/2025 17:37
Subject: REAL ID and MAGA
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Many of my MAGA relatives were very unhappy about REAL ID and decided to step down to regular ID because they rarely fly. Didn't want to get all the paperwork.
They are idiots just as much as the folks that don't think an ID should be required when voting are. "All the paperwork"?? Seriously? Folks need to get their acts together.
Well, the people screaming about voter ID seem to think it is a problem. Funny, people seem readily able to get the "paperwork" together for their SS benefits.
I have done both and SS requires fewer documents. SS already knows who you are. I didn’t need a utility bill or to show my house deed to get Social Security. The DMV would not accept my current unexpired drivers license as proof of identity even though their brochure lists it. I’m trying to figure out how to get my youngest Real ID when he doesn’t have a lease or pay utilities. He’s still a student.
If he is under 18, you as his parent establish his residency and identity for him, basically. You are listed on his birth certificate, and you present your ID and your residency proof, and say that he lives with you.
At least that is how it worked in MD.
Anonymous
04/12/2025 17:33
Subject: Re:REAL ID and MAGA
(Sorry -- the process took about 6 weeks to get my NYS birth certificate.)
Anonymous
04/12/2025 17:33
Subject: REAL ID and MAGA
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Many of my MAGA relatives were very unhappy about REAL ID and decided to step down to regular ID because they rarely fly. Didn't want to get all the paperwork.
They are idiots just as much as the folks that don't think an ID should be required when voting are. "All the paperwork"?? Seriously? Folks need to get their acts together.
Getting a "Real ID" in Maryland was a pain in the a$$ for me back a few years ago.
I managed it, but it took a while.
The problem was that the birth certificate I already had, from New York State, was not acceptable to the Maryland DMV. It had everything that was needed and required on it (raised seal, full name of my parents, location of my birth) but for some weird reason NYS called it a "certificate of birth registration" instead of a "birth certificate" and so Maryland DMV decided it wasn't official enough.
I had to order a new copy of my birth certificate sent to me, which took about weeks, and cost me whatever VitalCheck was charging back then. Probably about $25ish?
In addition, I needed proof of residency. Well, at that point, we paid most of our bills online, so we didn't have a lot of official mail coming to our home. At that time, the DMV told us we couldn't just print out something from our online accounts, it needed to be something mailed to us.
The few bills that were mailed were all in my husband's name. Old fashioned, I know, but that's just how it was. Ironically, it was a letter FROM the MD DMV that I was able to use as proof of my residency.
At the time I did not have a passport, either. I did have a Social Security card, but the names on my birth certificate, marriage license, and Social Security Card didn't entirely match up (I started using my middle initial and my maiden names as my middle name for my social security card, but not for my MD drivers license. And my mail as proof of residency was just my first name, maiden name initial, and married last name. They eventually accepted it but it was a little dicey.
It wasn't impossibly hard to get the real ID but it wasn't super simple, either. I had to go to the DMV three times. Fortunately I was a teacher and was on summer break so I didn't have to miss work.
Anonymous
04/12/2025 16:59
Subject: Re:REAL ID and MAGA
Just wait until they require it to vote.