Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I wish people would distinguish between a nation and its current government.

Now more than ever, we should care about that.

Israel was wrongfully created.

Ensuring the safety of Jews in all nations is one thing. I would give my life for the religious liberty of all people. Creating a nationalist "homeland" on someone else's land is unconscionable. Zionism and Nazism are eerily similar.

1) no you wouldn’t.

2) Israel has been the ancestral land of Jews since shortly after they escaped slavery in Egypt. Jews have been living in what is now Israel 4000 years before Islam existed.

1) Yes, I absolutely would. Who the hell are you to doubt me?

2) Who the hell cares? I don't believe in religion, but I'd defend your right to believe what you want. I would NOT defend your right to do what you want just because that's what your religion says. You don't get special dibs on a land just because random ancestors from many centuries ago lived there. That's not how humanity works.

So you don’t believe in religion, but would sacrifice your life so other people could have religious freedom?

Yeah….see, that’s why I doubt you.

The only things I’m willing to DIE for are the same things I’m willing to KILL for - my family, and my own life. Beyond that? Nope.


That’s why I doubt you.

Anonymous wrote:I wish people would distinguish between a nation and its current government.

Now more than ever, we should care about that.

People who understand what is actually happening there are well aware of what the problem is. As usual it’s right wing conservatives, extremist religious fanatics and others who have their own agenda. Netanyahu is one of the worst.

I wish our government would stop the propaganda crap that people protesting the violence on Palestinian children, women, and the elderly are just antisemitic. It’s wrong.

Anonymous wrote:I wish people would distinguish between a nation and its current government.

Now more than ever, we should care about that.

I think Trump's crackdown of universities over "anti-semitism" is not helping. He is actually putting a target on the backs of all jews to be hated. Thanks Bill Ackman and Steven Miller.

So we have Palestinians from Columbia working at Pew now.

Gaza is crazy valuable real estate. Mediterranean Riviera.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I wish people would distinguish between a nation and its current government.

Now more than ever, we should care about that.

Several months into this current conflict, I was open to your argument.

Now? F that.

It’s wildly apparent to anyone paying attention that there is far more than a plurality in Israel who fervently believe that the policies and actions of the government are more than just A-OK. There’s also a level of compassion corruption in the radical, extremist Zionist movement (in Israel and here in the U.S.) that is, to be kind, clearly unnatural.

Most Gazans support Hamas. 71% supported Hamas' attack on October 7. I despise Hamas. But I will not hate Gazans because of their chosen government.

Half of Gazans

Most of Hamas's support is from West Bank, who are enjoying Israel focusing their attention on Gaza.

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/poll-shows-palestinians-back-oct-7-attack-israel-support-hamas-rises-2023-12-14/

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I wish people would distinguish between a nation and its current government.

Now more than ever, we should care about that.

Israel was wrongfully created.

Ensuring the safety of Jews in all nations is one thing. I would give my life for the religious liberty of all people. Creating a nationalist "homeland" on someone else's land is unconscionable. Zionism and Nazism are eerily similar.

1) no you wouldn’t.

2) Israel has been the ancestral land of Jews since shortly after they escaped slavery in Egypt. Jews have been living in what is now Israel 4000 years before Islam existed.

1) Yes, I absolutely would. Who the hell are you to doubt me?

2) Who the hell cares? I don't believe in religion, but I'd defend your right to believe what you want. I would NOT defend your right to do what you want just because that's what your religion says. You don't get special dibs on a land just because random ancestors from many centuries ago lived there. That's not how humanity works.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I wish people would distinguish between a nation and its current government.

Now more than ever, we should care about that.

Israel was wrongfully created.

Ensuring the safety of Jews in all nations is one thing. I would give my life for the religious liberty of all people. Creating a nationalist "homeland" on someone else's land is unconscionable. Zionism and Nazism are eerily similar.

1) no you wouldn’t.

2) Israel has been the ancestral land of Jews since shortly after they escaped slavery in Egypt. Jews have been living in what is now Israel 4000 years before Islam existed.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I wish people would distinguish between a nation and its current government.

Now more than ever, we should care about that.

Several months into this current conflict, I was open to your argument.

Now? F that.

It’s wildly apparent to anyone paying attention that there is far more than a plurality in Israel who fervently believe that the policies and actions of the government are more than just A-OK. There’s also a level of compassion corruption in the radical, extremist Zionist movement (in Israel and here in the U.S.) that is, to be kind, clearly unnatural.

Most Gazans support Hamas. 71% supported Hamas' attack on October 7. I despise Hamas. But I will not hate Gazans because of their chosen government.

Maybe they were forced to support Hamas? And maybe it was due to their defiance of Israel, which I can understand why Palestinians would feel that way.

https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinians-hamas-war-protest-public-opinion-c81e9684f14d5d00b23b13a3d337389b

The militant group has violently dispersed occasional protests and jailed, tortured or killed those who challenged its rule. Hamas has faced no significant internal challenge since the start of the war and still controls Gaza,

Nearly all Palestinians support some form of resistance to Israel’s military occupation and expansion of settlements — which predate Hamas’ founding in the 1980s.

In general, support for Hamas in the occupied West Bank and Gaza tends to increase when it battles Israel and subside during periods of relative calm.

The Palestinian Center for Policy and Survey Research, which has conducted scientific polling in Gaza and the West Bank for decades, found before this war began that about equal numbers of Palestinians supported Hamas and the secular Fatah movement led by President Mahmoud Abbas, who recognizes Israel and cooperates with it on security.

I think Americans probably don't like that their tax dollars are being used to commit genocide on a primarily children and women population. Nor do they like the fact that Israel gets free healthcare and higher education while Americans are struggling to meet their basic needs. Nor do they like the fact that Israel is trying to make us go to war with Iran after already having us fight their Wars in Iraq and other places in the middle east.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I wish people would distinguish between a nation and its current government.

Now more than ever, we should care about that.

Several months into this current conflict, I was open to your argument.

Now? F that.

It’s wildly apparent to anyone paying attention that there is far more than a plurality in Israel who fervently believe that the policies and actions of the government are more than just A-OK. There’s also a level of compassion corruption in the radical, extremist Zionist movement (in Israel and here in the U.S.) that is, to be kind, clearly unnatural.

Most Gazans support Hamas. 71% supported Hamas' attack on October 7. I despise Hamas. But I will not hate Gazans because of their chosen government.

What is your point?

Opposing on humanitarian grounds a one-sided, U.S.-funded war, to stem the tide of innocent civilians being savagely killed every day in Gaza and the West Bank, IS NOT an endorsement of each and every one of the views of those Palestinians.

I would expect that any Palestinian forced to exist the way they have for the past 80 years would harbor tremendous, immeasurable animus toward Israel. You should expect that, too.

One need not agree with the views and feelings of those Palestinians to oppose their annihilation. In addition, understanding all of that, there’s additional contempt for Israel - beyond the genocide and systemic indifference to non-Jewish human life - for having the gall to propagandize the world with their claims that they are actually the ones at risk of annihilation. Israel has had the full financial and military backing of the West since Day 1, and has never once been threatened. Full stop.

Anonymous wrote:I wish people would distinguish between a nation and its current government.

Now more than ever, we should care about that.

Yes, I’m sure the Palestinians would agree but you know, all Palestinians are Hamas terrorists so it’s only logical to assume all Israeli’s are zionists and support the genocide.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I wish people would distinguish between a nation and its current government.

Now more than ever, we should care about that.

Several months into this current conflict, I was open to your argument.

Now? F that.

It’s wildly apparent to anyone paying attention that there is far more than a plurality in Israel who fervently believe that the policies and actions of the government are more than just A-OK. There’s also a level of compassion corruption in the radical, extremist Zionist movement (in Israel and here in the U.S.) that is, to be kind, clearly unnatural.

Most Gazans support Hamas. 71% supported Hamas' attack on October 7. I despise Hamas. But I will not hate Gazans because of their chosen government.

It’s probably safe to assume that the actual MOE is quite high, as I’d expect that a significant segment of the population that currently holds a negative view of Israel would be very reluctant to candidly share that view in light of the current fascist, Zionism-above-else environment that we’re all wading through.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The zionist propaganda machine is losing (rightfully, deservedly so).

No, because support for Hamas isn’t getting better. Americans don’t support terrorists.

Americans never did. The accusation that certain Americans were supporting the bloodletting committed by Hamas was ALWAYS a blood libel fabricated by foreign state actors (that violate lobbying laws) and radical, extremist Zionists.