Anonymous wrote:Community college for a year and then transfer in is an option.

You think people aren’t already aware of this option? Presumably these kids want to start at a four-year residential college in the fall.

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Anonymous wrote:There were some posts on another thread. From what I heard, it was OOS students. The one we know is a psychology major .

Thanks for that - I searched before posting, but didn't find anything. We are in-state COE. Not optimistic, but as a double-RIF family, were really hoping for the in-state tuition!

I am really sorry. We toured VT this week. During the information session, VT said of the 58,000 applications it received 23,000 were for COE. For 2200 slots.

Just to clarify this, 2200 seats means they'd accept a multiple of that, because not everyone accepted chooses to enroll. VT's overall yield is about 27%, so for 2200 seats, they'd accept >8k, or about 35%.

But, as with many state flagships, the differential between in state admit rates and yield and OOS admit rates and yield are so different, you can’t average them and get a meaningful newer for instate or OOS. You really need to treat VT instate students and VT OOS students as two different pools.

VT doesn’t break it down by engineering vs other schools. But the last CDS available shows:
Instate: approx 19,000 applicant, 9,000 admitted, 4350 enrolled
OOS: approx 24,600 applicants, 15,600 admitted, 2500 enrolled

VT does break admission down by school and marjor, which I posted earlier. You can also find it here https://udc.vt.edu/irdata/data/students/admission/index#college

You can also filter by in state, oos & gender, as well as other characteristics

2023-2024 VT WL let in 0. My in-state COE DS was part of that group. Went to Purdue and loves it, we are paying less, and he’s never looked back. It all worked out for us and I hope it does for you all as well.

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Anonymous wrote:There were some posts on another thread. From what I heard, it was OOS students. The one we know is a psychology major .

Thanks for that - I searched before posting, but didn't find anything. We are in-state COE. Not optimistic, but as a double-RIF family, were really hoping for the in-state tuition!

I am really sorry. We toured VT this week. During the information session, VT said of the 58,000 applications it received 23,000 were for COE. For 2200 slots.

Just to clarify this, 2200 seats means they'd accept a multiple of that, because not everyone accepted chooses to enroll. VT's overall yield is about 27%, so for 2200 seats, they'd accept >8k, or about 35%.

But, as with many state flagships, the differential between in state admit rates and yield and OOS admit rates and yield are so different, you can’t average them and get a meaningful newer for instate or OOS. You really need to treat VT instate students and VT OOS students as two different pools.

VT doesn’t break it down by engineering vs other schools. But the last CDS available shows:
Instate: approx 19,000 applicant, 9,000 admitted, 4350 enrolled
OOS: approx 24,600 applicants, 15,600 admitted, 2500 enrolled

VT does break admission down by school and marjor, which I posted earlier. You can also find it here https://udc.vt.edu/irdata/data/students/admission/index#college

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Anonymous wrote:There were some posts on another thread. From what I heard, it was OOS students. The one we know is a psychology major .

Thanks for that - I searched before posting, but didn't find anything. We are in-state COE. Not optimistic, but as a double-RIF family, were really hoping for the in-state tuition!

I am really sorry. We toured VT this week. During the information session, VT said of the 58,000 applications it received 23,000 were for COE. For 2200 slots.

Just to clarify this, 2200 seats means they'd accept a multiple of that, because not everyone accepted chooses to enroll. VT's overall yield is about 27%, so for 2200 seats, they'd accept >8k, or about 35%.

But, as with many state flagships, the differential between in state admit rates and yield and OOS admit rates and yield are so different, you can’t average them and get a meaningful newer for instate or OOS. You really need to treat VT instate students and VT OOS students as two different pools.

VT doesn’t break it down by engineering vs other schools. But the last CDS available shows:
Instate: approx 19,000 applicant, 9,000 admitted, 4350 enrolled
OOS: approx 24,600 applicants, 15,600 admitted, 2500 enrolled

And even without a separate FOR breakdown, you know OOS engineering admit rate with be much higher than instate and OOS yield will be much lower than in state yield. Look at the finances— which matter more and more each year. For in state students who are accepted, VT is a great deal. Approx $17,500 in tuition and $42,500 all in. Only Purdue comes close from a $$$ perspective.
https://finaid.vt.edu/content/dam/finaid_vt_edu/Cost_of_Attendance/2526/UGINON.pdf

OTOH, OOS students will have similarly ranked or more highly ranked state flagship COEs available to them at the same price point as VT OOS Engineering (or for less). A sampling of other flagships kids getting into VT from OOS may be considering.

COE VT OOS tuition and fees is $40,000, all in is $64,000
https://www.vt.edu/content/dam/finaid_vt_edu/Cost_of_Attendance/2425/2425%20COA%20OutofState%20UG%20On%20Campus%20Freshman.pdf

COE/CS for Purdue tuition and fees is approx $31,000, all in is about $47,000
https://www.purdue.edu/treasurer/finance/bursar-office/tuition/fee-rates-2024-2025/undergraduate-tuition-and-fees-2024-2025

COE/CS for UMDCP OOS is approx $40,500 for two years of tuition and $42,000 for the other 2 (COE charges 2 years of “differential tuition”), all in is about $61,000
https://admissions.umd.edu/tuition/cost-of-attendance
https://financialaid.umd.edu/resources-policies/differential-tuition-faqs

COE at Pitt is approx $45,000 OOS and $64,000 all in
https://www.tuition.pitt.edu/undergraduate/tuition/pittsburgh/swanson-school-engineering

NC State COE is approx $34,000 OOS and $53,000 all in
https://studentservices.ncsu.edu/finances/estimated-cost-of-attendance/undergraduate-student-estimated-cost-of-attendance/

GA Tech (does not charge more for COE): $34,000 OOS and $54,000 all in
https://finaid.gatech.edu/costs/undergraduate-costs

Wisconsin COE: $43,000 OOS and $61,000 all in.
https://financialaid.wisc.edu/cost-of-attendance/

Community college for a year and then transfer in is an option.

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Anonymous wrote:There were some posts on another thread. From what I heard, it was OOS students. The one we know is a psychology major .

Thanks for that - I searched before posting, but didn't find anything. We are in-state COE. Not optimistic, but as a double-RIF family, were really hoping for the in-state tuition!

I am really sorry. We toured VT this week. During the information session, VT said of the 58,000 applications it received 23,000 were for COE. For 2200 slots.

Engineering is a high percentage of the application pool everywhere. It is approaching half of the 72,000 apps at UPenn, to fill 450 spots

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Anonymous wrote:There were some posts on another thread. From what I heard, it was OOS students. The one we know is a psychology major .

Thanks for that - I searched before posting, but didn't find anything. We are in-state COE. Not optimistic, but as a double-RIF family, were really hoping for the in-state tuition!

I am really sorry. We toured VT this week. During the information session, VT said of the 58,000 applications it received 23,000 were for COE. For 2200 slots.

Just to clarify this, 2200 seats means they'd accept a multiple of that, because not everyone accepted chooses to enroll. VT's overall yield is about 27%, so for 2200 seats, they'd accept >8k, or about 35%.

True. The overall yield rate is about that. The yield rate for engineering is around 28%.

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Thank you SO MUCH! for clarifying 28% vs. 27%. Not only was that necessary, but it was incredibly constructive and reflects really well on the VaTech community. Thanks!!!!

I don't think the chance of movement looks good for in-state engineering wait list applicants. The bulk of VT's OOS applicants and students come from engineering. The numbers for 2024-2025 tell a sad story for VT in-state engineering applicants.

VT had 21,310 engineering applications for 2024-2025. For in-state, there were 5,286 applications with 2,776 offered and 1,373 enrolled. For OOS, it was 16,024 applications with 8,815 offered and 1,152 enrolled. VT had total OOS applications of 26,200, so the vast majority of out-of-state demand is for engineering. Also, VT enrolls close to 50% OOS for engineering.

Since VT's in-state engineering yield is 50% and out-of-state yield is 13%, any movement is in my opinion likely to come from OOS.

And now my rant: VT's policy is problematic for Virginia residents for several reasons. As a public land-grant university primarily funded by Virginia taxpayers, VT should prioritize serving in-state students, especially in high-demand fields like engineering. The nearly 50% OOS enrollment in engineering means qualified Virginia students are being denied spots in a program their families' tax dollars help support. While OOS students bring higher tuition revenue, this approach sacrifices VT's core mission of educating Virginia residents.

In response to your rant, OOS tuition also helps fund the university. I am in the same boat in Pennsylvania. Penn State is much easier to get into from OOS. And Penn State relies heavily on OOS tuition dollars.

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Anonymous wrote:VT, JMU, and GMU going to the WL so far.

I can’t speak to JMU or GMU but so far every WL offer at VT I’ve read about, across multiple platforms, was to an OOS student. No in state movement yet AFAIK.

My in state child got off the waitlist at JMU last week.

Congrats! My older son went to JMU. We love it!

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Anonymous wrote:VT, JMU, and GMU going to the WL so far.

I can’t speak to JMU or GMU but so far every WL offer at VT I’ve read about, across multiple platforms, was to an OOS student. No in state movement yet AFAIK.

OP here. Thanks for sharing. I would guess that their in-state yield is probably easier to predict, so maybe less waitlist movement.

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Anonymous wrote:There were some posts on another thread. From what I heard, it was OOS students. The one we know is a psychology major .

Thanks for that - I searched before posting, but didn't find anything. We are in-state COE. Not optimistic, but as a double-RIF family, were really hoping for the in-state tuition!

I am really sorry. We toured VT this week. During the information session, VT said of the 58,000 applications it received 23,000 were for COE. For 2200 slots.

Just to clarify this, 2200 seats means they'd accept a multiple of that, because not everyone accepted chooses to enroll. VT's overall yield is about 27%, so for 2200 seats, they'd accept >8k, or about 35%.

True. The overall yield rate is about that. The yield rate for engineering is around 28%.

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Thank you SO MUCH! for clarifying 28% vs. 27%. Not only was that necessary, but it was incredibly constructive and reflects really well on the VaTech community. Thanks!!!!

I don't think the chance of movement looks good for in-state engineering wait list applicants. The bulk of VT's OOS applicants and students come from engineering. The numbers for 2024-2025 tell a sad story for VT in-state engineering applicants.

VT had 21,310 engineering applications for 2024-2025. For in-state, there were 5,286 applications with 2,776 offered and 1,373 enrolled. For OOS, it was 16,024 applications with 8,815 offered and 1,152 enrolled. VT had total OOS applications of 26,200, so the vast majority of out-of-state demand is for engineering. Also, VT enrolls close to 50% OOS for engineering.

Since VT's in-state engineering yield is 50% and out-of-state yield is 13%, any movement is in my opinion likely to come from OOS.

And now my rant: VT's policy is problematic for Virginia residents for several reasons. As a public land-grant university primarily funded by Virginia taxpayers, VT should prioritize serving in-state students, especially in high-demand fields like engineering. The nearly 50% OOS enrollment in engineering means qualified Virginia students are being denied spots in a program their families' tax dollars help support. While OOS students bring higher tuition revenue, this approach sacrifices VT's core mission of educating Virginia residents.

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Anonymous wrote:There were some posts on another thread. From what I heard, it was OOS students. The one we know is a psychology major .

Thanks for that - I searched before posting, but didn't find anything. We are in-state COE. Not optimistic, but as a double-RIF family, were really hoping for the in-state tuition!

I’m truly sorry to read this. I hope it comes through. And I hope things turn around for your family.

Thank you! - OP

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Anonymous wrote:There were some posts on another thread. From what I heard, it was OOS students. The one we know is a psychology major .

Thanks for that - I searched before posting, but didn't find anything. We are in-state COE. Not optimistic, but as a double-RIF family, were really hoping for the in-state tuition!

We are in the same situation with our son for COE. He was equally happy with his OOS option, but I wouldn't mind in-state tuition. I'm not optimistic about the waitlist either and I don't I'm not sure that my son would even consider, but do want to keep the option open.

Sorry to hear that you are in the same boat.

Where do you think that your son will go? Mine is trying to decide between Minnesota, Ohio State, Penn State, and NC State. He will definitely go to VT if he gets off the waitlist, which is making it even harder for him to decide.

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Anonymous wrote:VT, JMU, and GMU going to the WL so far.

Thank you. If anyone hears of others, please post!

My daughter’s friend got off the NYU waitlist last week.

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Anonymous wrote:VT, JMU, and GMU going to the WL so far.

I can’t speak to JMU or GMU but so far every WL offer at VT I’ve read about, across multiple platforms, was to an OOS student. No in state movement yet AFAIK.

My in state child got off the waitlist at JMU last week.