Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I'll give you a different perspective because everyone is so obsessed with getting left behind.
When my kid was 9, we ended up leaving travel ball in early March because of a move. This meant that he missed the last 2.5 months of travel. No team practices or games. In that time he said that he wanted to get better so we developed a plan for him...lots of training at home and some private/group sessions. We are talking 12+ hours a week. In those 2.5 months and the additional 3 months of summer, he got SOOOOO much better. He is now MLS Next and visiting academies. Team practices and games are not what they need to be focused on at this age.
You don't need to be on a team to get better. Focus on the basics and ball mastery. They can become a beast at 12+ years old without travel ball.
While this may be true, this requires a kid who loves soccer and has an inner drive to improve. Nothing OP has said suggests this is the case. It sounds like OP's son is naturally good at soccer but it's not their favorite. If OP signs their kid up for travel they could end up in a situation where they are essentially dragging their kid to practices.
Look, I get it. My kids are both pretty talented in the sport that I excelled in growing up. I see the potential and know exactly what to do at which ages to maximize their potential. But the problem is, they like it but don't love it. They aren't interested in the more intense path that I took. They prefer other sports that frankly they aren't as talented in. As a result they are falling behind other kids who are taking the more intense path. But I have to accept that as a parent. I am not going to sign them up for some intense year round program when they aren't asking for more. I don't want them looking back on childhood and resenting me for making them spend hours per week doing something they enjoy less than other things, just because I thought they could be good at it.
This statement made me laugh out loud.
Why, maybe OP is/was a coach or some sort of a talent scout... maybe he has an idea of how to gauge early abilities. Granted probably not as accurately as OP thinks, but I wouldn't discount it completely.
Ha, I typed this and reading it back I see how it sounds. I didn't mean it like I have some 20 step training plan that I would make my kids follow to guarantee success. More that I understand the sport very well from my own experiences and staying involved with the community. I know which clubs/coaches are the best and what kind of environment is best at different ages. A lot of parents around here get excited about their kids' early talent and push them into heavy training too young, which burns them out. I have a good understanding of the long view, how much changes with puberty, and how to work through the inevitable setbacks. But I am clueless about soccer and feel like I've just been guessing. I wish I had understood what to look for in a soccer club and coach for a kid who loves it and wants to learn all they can. A few years in I can see a gap between my kid and those from other clubs that had an actual plan for development.
I have two kids a few years apart and I am making sure not to make the same mistakes with the younger kid... I see how a lack of decent coaching/competition early on was/is detrimental to my older kid, now we have to work to bridge the gap. The younger one is benefiting and is already on a much stronger path forward. Unfortunately, the only thing that worked in our situation was getting private lessons to bridge the gap in training. I didnt do the lessons because I think my kid will play professionally, I just wanted her to be on par with her peers and not feel like she is lagging behind.
You might need to do the same to bridge that gap.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I'll give you a different perspective because everyone is so obsessed with getting left behind.
When my kid was 9, we ended up leaving travel ball in early March because of a move. This meant that he missed the last 2.5 months of travel. No team practices or games. In that time he said that he wanted to get better so we developed a plan for him...lots of training at home and some private/group sessions. We are talking 12+ hours a week. In those 2.5 months and the additional 3 months of summer, he got SOOOOO much better. He is now MLS Next and visiting academies. Team practices and games are not what they need to be focused on at this age.
You don't need to be on a team to get better. Focus on the basics and ball mastery. They can become a beast at 12+ years old without travel ball.
While this may be true, this requires a kid who loves soccer and has an inner drive to improve. Nothing OP has said suggests this is the case. It sounds like OP's son is naturally good at soccer but it's not their favorite. If OP signs their kid up for travel they could end up in a situation where they are essentially dragging their kid to practices.
Look, I get it. My kids are both pretty talented in the sport that I excelled in growing up. I see the potential and know exactly what to do at which ages to maximize their potential. But the problem is, they like it but don't love it. They aren't interested in the more intense path that I took. They prefer other sports that frankly they aren't as talented in. As a result they are falling behind other kids who are taking the more intense path. But I have to accept that as a parent. I am not going to sign them up for some intense year round program when they aren't asking for more. I don't want them looking back on childhood and resenting me for making them spend hours per week doing something they enjoy less than other things, just because I thought they could be good at it.
This statement made me laugh out loud.
Why, maybe OP is/was a coach or some sort of a talent scout... maybe he has an idea of how to gauge early abilities. Granted probably not as accurately as OP thinks, but I wouldn't discount it completely.
Ha, I typed this and reading it back I see how it sounds. I didn't mean it like I have some 20 step training plan that I would make my kids follow to guarantee success. More that I understand the sport very well from my own experiences and staying involved with the community. I know which clubs/coaches are the best and what kind of environment is best at different ages. A lot of parents around here get excited about their kids' early talent and push them into heavy training too young, which burns them out. I have a good understanding of the long view, how much changes with puberty, and how to work through the inevitable setbacks. But I am clueless about soccer and feel like I've just been guessing. I wish I had understood what to look for in a soccer club and coach for a kid who loves it and wants to learn all they can. A few years in I can see a gap between my kid and those from other clubs that had an actual plan for development.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I'll give you a different perspective because everyone is so obsessed with getting left behind.
When my kid was 9, we ended up leaving travel ball in early March because of a move. This meant that he missed the last 2.5 months of travel. No team practices or games. In that time he said that he wanted to get better so we developed a plan for him...lots of training at home and some private/group sessions. We are talking 12+ hours a week. In those 2.5 months and the additional 3 months of summer, he got SOOOOO much better. He is now MLS Next and visiting academies. Team practices and games are not what they need to be focused on at this age.
You don't need to be on a team to get better. Focus on the basics and ball mastery. They can become a beast at 12+ years old without travel ball.
While this may be true, this requires a kid who loves soccer and has an inner drive to improve. Nothing OP has said suggests this is the case. It sounds like OP's son is naturally good at soccer but it's not their favorite. If OP signs their kid up for travel they could end up in a situation where they are essentially dragging their kid to practices.
Look, I get it. My kids are both pretty talented in the sport that I excelled in growing up. I see the potential and know exactly what to do at which ages to maximize their potential. But the problem is, they like it but don't love it. They aren't interested in the more intense path that I took. They prefer other sports that frankly they aren't as talented in. As a result they are falling behind other kids who are taking the more intense path. But I have to accept that as a parent. I am not going to sign them up for some intense year round program when they aren't asking for more. I don't want them looking back on childhood and resenting me for making them spend hours per week doing something they enjoy less than other things, just because I thought they could be good at it.
This statement made me laugh out loud.
Why, maybe OP is/was a coach or some sort of a talent scout... maybe he has an idea of how to gauge early abilities. Granted probably not as accurately as OP thinks, but I wouldn't discount it completely.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I'll give you a different perspective because everyone is so obsessed with getting left behind.
When my kid was 9, we ended up leaving travel ball in early March because of a move. This meant that he missed the last 2.5 months of travel. No team practices or games. In that time he said that he wanted to get better so we developed a plan for him...lots of training at home and some private/group sessions. We are talking 12+ hours a week. In those 2.5 months and the additional 3 months of summer, he got SOOOOO much better. He is now MLS Next and visiting academies. Team practices and games are not what they need to be focused on at this age.
You don't need to be on a team to get better. Focus on the basics and ball mastery. They can become a beast at 12+ years old without travel ball.
While this may be true, this requires a kid who loves soccer and has an inner drive to improve. Nothing OP has said suggests this is the case. It sounds like OP's son is naturally good at soccer but it's not their favorite. If OP signs their kid up for travel they could end up in a situation where they are essentially dragging their kid to practices.
Look, I get it. My kids are both pretty talented in the sport that I excelled in growing up. I see the potential and know exactly what to do at which ages to maximize their potential. But the problem is, they like it but don't love it. They aren't interested in the more intense path that I took. They prefer other sports that frankly they aren't as talented in. As a result they are falling behind other kids who are taking the more intense path. But I have to accept that as a parent. I am not going to sign them up for some intense year round program when they aren't asking for more. I don't want them looking back on childhood and resenting me for making them spend hours per week doing something they enjoy less than other things, just because I thought they could be good at it.
This statement made me laugh out loud.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I'll give you a different perspective because everyone is so obsessed with getting left behind.
When my kid was 9, we ended up leaving travel ball in early March because of a move. This meant that he missed the last 2.5 months of travel. No team practices or games. In that time he said that he wanted to get better so we developed a plan for him...lots of training at home and some private/group sessions. We are talking 12+ hours a week. In those 2.5 months and the additional 3 months of summer, he got SOOOOO much better. He is now MLS Next and visiting academies. Team practices and games are not what they need to be focused on at this age.
You don't need to be on a team to get better. Focus on the basics and ball mastery. They can become a beast at 12+ years old without travel ball.
While this may be true, this requires a kid who loves soccer and has an inner drive to improve. Nothing OP has said suggests this is the case. It sounds like OP's son is naturally good at soccer but it's not their favorite. If OP signs their kid up for travel they could end up in a situation where they are essentially dragging their kid to practices.
Look, I get it. My kids are both pretty talented in the sport that I excelled in growing up. I see the potential and know exactly what to do at which ages to maximize their potential. But the problem is, they like it but don't love it. They aren't interested in the more intense path that I took. They prefer other sports that frankly they aren't as talented in. As a result they are falling behind other kids who are taking the more intense path. But I have to accept that as a parent. I am not going to sign them up for some intense year round program when they aren't asking for more. I don't want them looking back on childhood and resenting me for making them spend hours per week doing something they enjoy less than other things, just because I thought they could be good at it.
Anonymous wrote:Tryouts are coming up... and I am hesitant. If DS makes the team, it will be three practices a week, and games on the weekend. He will be 8 in the fall but it seems like a big commitment at that age. He doesn't love the sport, prefers basketball - he's at best, an average rec basketball player. My fear is that if he doesn't move into travel soccer, he will fall behind his peers. He's talented, but not the best player in his age group.
Question: Would you have him play travel or wait another year?
Anonymous wrote:i have two very different kids on very different paths
The younger child played up in Rec, dominated everything and so we signed them up for travel a year early. This child was good at multiple sports so we figured this was the right path for them. I still am not sure what the 'right' decision is for a kid like that because playing up was great for learning from a professional coach and the extra training was great, but the season was painful (basically a whole team of kids playing up) and they had little success. This group of kids that played up repeated their u9 year (e.g. not playing up anymore) knowing all the travel soccer basics but not having as much confidence in their own abilities. The other kids who they joined in their second year of u9 played in rec or in a rec-to-travel prep year and they came in more confident but didn't know positions and other u9 basics (build-up line, etc). It took our child a while to get their confidence back, they played on the second team for multiple years, but they've rebounded and are now on a top team and doing great. I won't trace any of their current success to playing up that year and I see very very few kids succeed in the long-term who play up. There are some occasional ones, but they tend to have parents that are driving them towards a specific goal. There are a few who love soccer but I've seen few at the top levels who love soccer more than their parents. Final part of the story is that of the kids that played up that first year, many dropped out of soccer and only a couple are playing on a top team.
I pushed my other child (the older one) into travel at the 'normal' time because I was worried they would fall behind (a lesson from my childhood). They were average/good in Rec, so I figured they would be average in travel. This child ended up being 'bad' at travel but somehow still fell in love with soccer. Not in love enough to want to train on their own, but enough to enjoy the extra training and to want to continue, even if they weren't a key player on the team. After ~2 years, I realized Rec would have been the better path and tried to push this child towards it, but they resisted because they wanted the better coaching and more committed players, even if they weren't overly successful. This child is now a teenager, still a starter on a bottom team, but will likely drop out of soccer because they have many non-sport interests. Not sure if they would have kept playing if they were in Rec, but I wouldn't push a kid like this into travel. I should have kept them in Rec, let them see if they wanted/needed a higher level (even if they didn't love soccer), and moved over at the appropriate time. This kid will leave soccer on great terms, which I am proud of (ensuring they are enjoying soccer even if they're not a star), but I’m not sure we made the right decisions along the way.
Let me add that neither child 'loves' soccer like other people refer to on here. Both kids tried a ton of different sports and probably chose soccer because that was my favorite sport. The younger child has succeeded in soccer because they found a team where the other players are like them (super competitive, very athletic, hard workers). They might not say that they love soccer, but they can't imagine not being on this team with this set of players. I'll also add that this younger child doesn't train on their own, but they are always willing to train extra with their friends & family. I've had to learn to follow their lead in terms of how much extra soccer they want to do and that interest level has changed every single year. I’ve also noticed that the less I push, the more they've liked soccer. Final point I'll add is that many of the kids on the top teams play multiple sports and are successful at all of them. So if your child is great at multiple sports, pushing them forward might be a good decision because they'll find like-minded kids that enjoy the same things they do. But if your kid is only so-so with sports enthusiasm, don't push them. Heck, I'd say even if your kid loves soccer, but isn't that skilled, don't push them. We've seen a number of kids that loved soccer - watched it at home, watched their friends play soccer, played at recess, played with their parents - but they got frustrated with travel soccer because their love didn't translate to skill & ability.
So long way of saying that I wouldn't push them to play up. If they want to pursue a great soccer career, there is no rush to train them or start early. An early start can be helpful, but understand that you're taking a big risk. Your kids don’t have to love soccer to play travel or even have to be amazing at soccer, but your kid needs to find a way to be successful at soccer if they're going to enjoy travel.