Anonymous
04/09/2025 07:32
Subject: Due to tarffis, new warning for EUROPE that $100B in drugs may flee to the US
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Why would tariffs cause a change in research?
It's manufacturing of drugs that will flee to the US.
Manufacturing of drugs is a low value-add. The real money that benefits a local economy with a multipler effect is the massive R&D spending by well educated people with PhDs and the capital gains pouring in to the IP owners/ shareholders. Manufacturing little pills based on R&D from Switzerland is not a gang busters business.
Really?
Until there's a global pandemic that shuts down supply chains and the US has severe shortages of critical meds. Or China shuts off all supplies of critical APIs during conflict with the US that makes America fall to its knees because there are no more antibiotics etc. that make it impossible to do any surgery.
You have no idea what you're talking about. There is massive national security risk relying on extended supply chains from China to India to Europe to produce critical meds.
Anonymous
04/09/2025 07:18
Subject: Due to tarffis, new warning for EUROPE that $100B in drugs may flee to the US
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This seems like a massive positive outcome due to the tarriffs:
https://www.fiercepharma.com/pharma/trump-tariffs-drugs-industry-warns-eu-100b-plus-pharma-exodus-us
Look, I am not T cheerleader, but having an absolutely vital industry to national security return to the US to the tune of $100B is a great outcome. This is one area where it was a massive mistake to lose our base in terms of manufacturing. If this outcome comes to fruition, I'd give T the win here, even if it cost some short term 401k dip. If the US has the best market for things like pharma, then make it a requirement to manufacture here if they want to sell here. Chinese do the same stuff but even worse, yet they're never called out on it.
Wake the f up. Europe and the US trade is worth over a trillion dollars. That is all going away. The Europeans have been actively recruiting scientists, chemists, etc from all the fired US federal employees and universities scientists, chemist, researchers, etc who have lost grants and federal research dollars. All the drug innovations in the US come from federal grants and research. That is now over. Add in Robert Kennedy and anti science stuff AND NOTHING IS COMING TO THE US.
The article is pure right wing nut job fantasy. No one is investing in manufacturing in the US. The regulatory environment and government interference is too great to invest anything. The Tariff change hourly, the graft and corruption is too expensive. Capital is fleeing the US. The scientific brain drain is huge.
This is the new world order.
I call BS. If this were true then we wouldn’t be paying the highest drug prices in the world. It costs pennies to manufacture drugs. The high cost is due to patents because it’s private companies making the innovations.
Every single drug approved by the FDA 2010-2016 had NIH-funded studies involved. Every one. The basic science behind the innovations happen at med schools and other R1 or R2 institutions that advance the science. Private companies build on established research, then spend years in clinical trials, which is time consuming and expensive.
Who says all that critical study funding is going away? There have been cuts, but many seem like wasteful spending with minimal utility for treatment of pressing diseases.
Okay Mr. Doge you're right who needs cancer research Alzheimers research and many others
Those "seem"like a real waste I guess the billionaires can just pay out of pocket for medicines and treatment but screw the rest of the people.
Anonymous
04/09/2025 07:16
Subject: Due to tarffis, new warning for EUROPE that $100B in drugs may flee to the US
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This seems like a massive positive outcome due to the tarriffs:
https://www.fiercepharma.com/pharma/trump-tariffs-drugs-industry-warns-eu-100b-plus-pharma-exodus-us
Look, I am not T cheerleader, but having an absolutely vital industry to national security return to the US to the tune of $100B is a great outcome. This is one area where it was a massive mistake to lose our base in terms of manufacturing. If this outcome comes to fruition, I'd give T the win here, even if it cost some short term 401k dip. If the US has the best market for things like pharma, then make it a requirement to manufacture here if they want to sell here. Chinese do the same stuff but even worse, yet they're never called out on it.
Wake the f up. Europe and the US trade is worth over a trillion dollars. That is all going away. The Europeans have been actively recruiting scientists, chemists, etc from all the fired US federal employees and universities scientists, chemist, researchers, etc who have lost grants and federal research dollars. All the drug innovations in the US come from federal grants and research. That is now over. Add in Robert Kennedy and anti science stuff AND NOTHING IS COMING TO THE US.
The article is pure right wing nut job fantasy. No one is investing in manufacturing in the US. The regulatory environment and government interference is too great to invest anything. The Tariff change hourly, the graft and corruption is too expensive. Capital is fleeing the US. The scientific brain drain is huge.
This is the new world order.
I call BS. If this were true then we wouldn’t be paying the highest drug prices in the world. It costs pennies to manufacture drugs. The high cost is due to patents because it’s private companies making the innovations.
Every single drug approved by the FDA 2010-2016 had NIH-funded studies involved. Every one. The basic science behind the innovations happen at med schools and other R1 or R2 institutions that advance the science. Private companies build on established research, then spend years in clinical trials, which is time consuming and expensive.
Who says all that critical study funding is going away? There have been cuts, but many seem like wasteful spending with minimal utility for treatment of pressing diseases.
Do you even know what’s been cut? What sources are you getting your information from?
Yes, I do. Do you? And by the way, there is a lot of wasted R&D (not to mention administrative overhead) in pursuit of treating major diseases. Seen it first hand. Are you saying there isn't a single penny that can be.cut?
Since you claim to have witnessed the waste in medical R&D first hand, where do you think these cuts should occur? And since you mention administration overhead, please be specific.
Anonymous
04/09/2025 07:13
Subject: Due to tarffis, new warning for EUROPE that $100B in drugs may flee to the US
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Drugs are exempt from tariffs and I doubt that will change.
Oh yeah? https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-says-us-will-soon-announce-tariffs-pharmaceutical-imports-2025-04-09/
Do these MAGAs ever tire of being played for fools?
I don't think so...it's unbelievable to watch them defend him round the clock.
Anonymous
04/09/2025 07:10
Subject: Due to tarffis, new warning for EUROPE that $100B in drugs may flee to the US
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This seems like a massive positive outcome due to the tarriffs:
https://www.fiercepharma.com/pharma/trump-tariffs-drugs-industry-warns-eu-100b-plus-pharma-exodus-us
Look, I am not T cheerleader, but having an absolutely vital industry to national security return to the US to the tune of $100B is a great outcome. This is one area where it was a massive mistake to lose our base in terms of manufacturing. If this outcome comes to fruition, I'd give T the win here, even if it cost some short term 401k dip. If the US has the best market for things like pharma, then make it a requirement to manufacture here if they want to sell here. Chinese do the same stuff but even worse, yet they're never called out on it.
Wake the f up. Europe and the US trade is worth over a trillion dollars. That is all going away. The Europeans have been actively recruiting scientists, chemists, etc from all the fired US federal employees and universities scientists, chemist, researchers, etc who have lost grants and federal research dollars. All the drug innovations in the US come from federal grants and research. That is now over. Add in Robert Kennedy and anti science stuff AND NOTHING IS COMING TO THE US.
The article is pure right wing nut job fantasy. No one is investing in manufacturing in the US. The regulatory environment and government interference is too great to invest anything. The Tariff change hourly, the graft and corruption is too expensive. Capital is fleeing the US. The scientific brain drain is huge.
This is the new world order.
I call BS. If this were true then we wouldn’t be paying the highest drug prices in the world. It costs pennies to manufacture drugs. The high cost is due to patents because it’s private companies making the innovations.
Every single drug approved by the FDA 2010-2016 had NIH-funded studies involved. Every one. The basic science behind the innovations happen at med schools and other R1 or R2 institutions that advance the science. Private companies build on established research, then spend years in clinical trials, which is time consuming and expensive.
Who says all that critical study funding is going away? There have been cuts, but many seem like wasteful spending with minimal utility for treatment of pressing diseases.
Do you even know what’s been cut? What sources are you getting your information from?
Yes, I do. Do you? And by the way, there is a lot of wasted R&D (not to mention administrative overhead) in pursuit of treating major diseases. Seen it first hand. Are you saying there isn't a single penny that can be.cut?
DP but you’re changing your story: are you saying pressing diseases like cancer, Parkinson’s and Alzheimer’s aren’t being cut (which they are) like you did above or now are you saying the way they’re being cut is fine because you’re sure it’s wasteful.
Cutting a penny means negative savings by the way. Because you paid Elon Musks tech bro the top of the legal GS scale to find that penny.
Anonymous
04/09/2025 06:56
Subject: Due to tarffis, new warning for EUROPE that $100B in drugs may flee to the US
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This seems like a massive positive outcome due to the tarriffs:
https://www.fiercepharma.com/pharma/trump-tariffs-drugs-industry-warns-eu-100b-plus-pharma-exodus-us
Look, I am not T cheerleader, but having an absolutely vital industry to national security return to the US to the tune of $100B is a great outcome. This is one area where it was a massive mistake to lose our base in terms of manufacturing. If this outcome comes to fruition, I'd give T the win here, even if it cost some short term 401k dip. If the US has the best market for things like pharma, then make it a requirement to manufacture here if they want to sell here. Chinese do the same stuff but even worse, yet they're never called out on it.
Wake the f up. Europe and the US trade is worth over a trillion dollars. That is all going away. The Europeans have been actively recruiting scientists, chemists, etc from all the fired US federal employees and universities scientists, chemist, researchers, etc who have lost grants and federal research dollars. All the drug innovations in the US come from federal grants and research. That is now over. Add in Robert Kennedy and anti science stuff AND NOTHING IS COMING TO THE US.
The article is pure right wing nut job fantasy. No one is investing in manufacturing in the US. The regulatory environment and government interference is too great to invest anything. The Tariff change hourly, the graft and corruption is too expensive. Capital is fleeing the US. The scientific brain drain is huge.
This is the new world order.
I call BS. If this were true then we wouldn’t be paying the highest drug prices in the world. It costs pennies to manufacture drugs. The high cost is due to patents because it’s private companies making the innovations.
Every single drug approved by the FDA 2010-2016 had NIH-funded studies involved. Every one. The basic science behind the innovations happen at med schools and other R1 or R2 institutions that advance the science. Private companies build on established research, then spend years in clinical trials, which is time consuming and expensive.
Who says all that critical study funding is going away? There have been cuts, but many seem like wasteful spending with minimal utility for treatment of pressing diseases.
Do you even know what’s been cut? What sources are you getting your information from?
Yes, I do. Do you? And by the way, there is a lot of wasted R&D (not to mention administrative overhead) in pursuit of treating major diseases. Seen it first hand. Are you saying there isn't a single penny that can be.cut?
Anonymous
04/09/2025 06:52
Subject: Due to tarffis, new warning for EUROPE that $100B in drugs may flee to the US
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Why would tariffs cause a change in research?
It's manufacturing of drugs that will flee to the US.
Yeah people are absolutely crashing down the doors to open factories in places with high political instability, where your business can be targeted by a wrathful President or his unelected billionaire bestie. That’s the business environment everyone is seeking.
Did you notice this isn’t even in a real news source?
Anonymous
04/09/2025 06:49
Subject: Due to tarffis, new warning for EUROPE that $100B in drugs may flee to the US
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This seems like a massive positive outcome due to the tarriffs:
https://www.fiercepharma.com/pharma/trump-tariffs-drugs-industry-warns-eu-100b-plus-pharma-exodus-us
Look, I am not T cheerleader, but having an absolutely vital industry to national security return to the US to the tune of $100B is a great outcome. This is one area where it was a massive mistake to lose our base in terms of manufacturing. If this outcome comes to fruition, I'd give T the win here, even if it cost some short term 401k dip. If the US has the best market for things like pharma, then make it a requirement to manufacture here if they want to sell here. Chinese do the same stuff but even worse, yet they're never called out on it.
Wake the f up. Europe and the US trade is worth over a trillion dollars. That is all going away. The Europeans have been actively recruiting scientists, chemists, etc from all the fired US federal employees and universities scientists, chemist, researchers, etc who have lost grants and federal research dollars. All the drug innovations in the US come from federal grants and research. That is now over. Add in Robert Kennedy and anti science stuff AND NOTHING IS COMING TO THE US.
The article is pure right wing nut job fantasy. No one is investing in manufacturing in the US. The regulatory environment and government interference is too great to invest anything. The Tariff change hourly, the graft and corruption is too expensive. Capital is fleeing the US. The scientific brain drain is huge.
This is the new world order.
I call BS. If this were true then we wouldn’t be paying the highest drug prices in the world. It costs pennies to manufacture drugs. The high cost is due to patents because it’s private companies making the innovations.
Every single drug approved by the FDA 2010-2016 had NIH-funded studies involved. Every one. The basic science behind the innovations happen at med schools and other R1 or R2 institutions that advance the science. Private companies build on established research, then spend years in clinical trials, which is time consuming and expensive.
Who says all that critical study funding is going away? There have been cuts, but many seem like wasteful spending with minimal utility for treatment of pressing diseases.
Do you even know what’s been cut? What sources are you getting your information from?
Anonymous
04/09/2025 06:49
Subject: Due to tarffis, new warning for EUROPE that $100B in drugs may flee to the US
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This seems like a massive positive outcome due to the tarriffs:
https://www.fiercepharma.com/pharma/trump-tariffs-drugs-industry-warns-eu-100b-plus-pharma-exodus-us
Look, I am not T cheerleader, but having an absolutely vital industry to national security return to the US to the tune of $100B is a great outcome. This is one area where it was a massive mistake to lose our base in terms of manufacturing. If this outcome comes to fruition, I'd give T the win here, even if it cost some short term 401k dip. If the US has the best market for things like pharma, then make it a requirement to manufacture here if they want to sell here. Chinese do the same stuff but even worse, yet they're never called out on it.
Wake the f up. Europe and the US trade is worth over a trillion dollars. That is all going away. The Europeans have been actively recruiting scientists, chemists, etc from all the fired US federal employees and universities scientists, chemist, researchers, etc who have lost grants and federal research dollars. All the drug innovations in the US come from federal grants and research. That is now over. Add in Robert Kennedy and anti science stuff AND NOTHING IS COMING TO THE US.
The article is pure right wing nut job fantasy. No one is investing in manufacturing in the US. The regulatory environment and government interference is too great to invest anything. The Tariff change hourly, the graft and corruption is too expensive. Capital is fleeing the US. The scientific brain drain is huge.
This is the new world order.
I call BS. If this were true then we wouldn’t be paying the highest drug prices in the world. It costs pennies to manufacture drugs. The high cost is due to patents because it’s private companies making the innovations.
Every single drug approved by the FDA 2010-2016 had NIH-funded studies involved. Every one. The basic science behind the innovations happen at med schools and other R1 or R2 institutions that advance the science. Private companies build on established research, then spend years in clinical trials, which is time consuming and expensive.
Who says all that critical study funding is going away? There have been cuts, but many seem like wasteful spending with minimal utility for treatment of pressing diseases.
Yeah. Who dies of cancer anymore anyway. That’s not pressing.
Anonymous
04/09/2025 06:46
Subject: Due to tarffis, new warning for EUROPE that $100B in drugs may flee to the US
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Drugs are exempt from tariffs and I doubt that will change.
Oh yeah? https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-says-us-will-soon-announce-tariffs-pharmaceutical-imports-2025-04-09/
Do these MAGAs ever tire of being played for fools?
Anonymous
04/09/2025 06:38
Subject: Due to tarffis, new warning for EUROPE that $100B in drugs may flee to the US
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This seems like a massive positive outcome due to the tarriffs:
https://www.fiercepharma.com/pharma/trump-tariffs-drugs-industry-warns-eu-100b-plus-pharma-exodus-us
Look, I am not T cheerleader, but having an absolutely vital industry to national security return to the US to the tune of $100B is a great outcome. This is one area where it was a massive mistake to lose our base in terms of manufacturing. If this outcome comes to fruition, I'd give T the win here, even if it cost some short term 401k dip. If the US has the best market for things like pharma, then make it a requirement to manufacture here if they want to sell here. Chinese do the same stuff but even worse, yet they're never called out on it.
Wake the f up. Europe and the US trade is worth over a trillion dollars. That is all going away. The Europeans have been actively recruiting scientists, chemists, etc from all the fired US federal employees and universities scientists, chemist, researchers, etc who have lost grants and federal research dollars. All the drug innovations in the US come from federal grants and research. That is now over. Add in Robert Kennedy and anti science stuff AND NOTHING IS COMING TO THE US.
The article is pure right wing nut job fantasy. No one is investing in manufacturing in the US. The regulatory environment and government interference is too great to invest anything. The Tariff change hourly, the graft and corruption is too expensive. Capital is fleeing the US. The scientific brain drain is huge.
This is the new world order.
I call BS. If this were true then we wouldn’t be paying the highest drug prices in the world. It costs pennies to manufacture drugs. The high cost is due to patents because it’s private companies making the innovations.
Every single drug approved by the FDA 2010-2016 had NIH-funded studies involved. Every one. The basic science behind the innovations happen at med schools and other R1 or R2 institutions that advance the science. Private companies build on established research, then spend years in clinical trials, which is time consuming and expensive.
Who says all that critical study funding is going away? There have been cuts, but many seem like wasteful spending with minimal utility for treatment of pressing diseases.
yeah like cancer and parkinson's and alzheimer's and diabetes and all these minor ailments that barely affect anyone at all. just take some turmeric and you'll be fine.
Anonymous
04/09/2025 06:36
Subject: Due to tarffis, new warning for EUROPE that $100B in drugs may flee to the US
Anonymous wrote:Drugs are exempt from tariffs and I doubt that will change.
Oh yeah? https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-says-us-will-soon-announce-tariffs-pharmaceutical-imports-2025-04-09/
Anonymous
04/09/2025 06:34
Subject: Due to tarffis, new warning for EUROPE that $100B in drugs may flee to the US
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This seems like a massive positive outcome due to the tarriffs:
https://www.fiercepharma.com/pharma/trump-tariffs-drugs-industry-warns-eu-100b-plus-pharma-exodus-us
Look, I am not T cheerleader, but having an absolutely vital industry to national security return to the US to the tune of $100B is a great outcome. This is one area where it was a massive mistake to lose our base in terms of manufacturing. If this outcome comes to fruition, I'd give T the win here, even if it cost some short term 401k dip. If the US has the best market for things like pharma, then make it a requirement to manufacture here if they want to sell here. Chinese do the same stuff but even worse, yet they're never called out on it.
Wake the f up. Europe and the US trade is worth over a trillion dollars. That is all going away. The Europeans have been actively recruiting scientists, chemists, etc from all the fired US federal employees and universities scientists, chemist, researchers, etc who have lost grants and federal research dollars. All the drug innovations in the US come from federal grants and research. That is now over. Add in Robert Kennedy and anti science stuff AND NOTHING IS COMING TO THE US.
The article is pure right wing nut job fantasy. No one is investing in manufacturing in the US. The regulatory environment and government interference is too great to invest anything. The Tariff change hourly, the graft and corruption is too expensive. Capital is fleeing the US. The scientific brain drain is huge.
This is the new world order.
I call BS. If this were true then we wouldn’t be paying the highest drug prices in the world. It costs pennies to manufacture drugs. The high cost is due to patents because it’s private companies making the innovations.
Every single drug approved by the FDA 2010-2016 had NIH-funded studies involved. Every one. The basic science behind the innovations happen at med schools and other R1 or R2 institutions that advance the science. Private companies build on established research, then spend years in clinical trials, which is time consuming and expensive.
Who says all that critical study funding is going away? There have been cuts, but many seem like wasteful spending with minimal utility for treatment of pressing diseases.
Anonymous
04/09/2025 06:33
Subject: Due to tarffis, new warning for EUROPE that $100B in drugs may flee to the US
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Why would tariffs cause a change in research?
It's manufacturing of drugs that will flee to the US.
Manufacturing of drugs is a low value-add. The real money that benefits a local economy with a multipler effect is the massive R&D spending by well educated people with PhDs and the capital gains pouring in to the IP owners/ shareholders. Manufacturing little pills based on R&D from Switzerland is not a gang busters business.
Anonymous
04/09/2025 05:49
Subject: Due to tarffis, new warning for EUROPE that $100B in drugs may flee to the US
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:This seems like a massive positive outcome due to the tarriffs:
https://www.fiercepharma.com/pharma/trump-tariffs-drugs-industry-warns-eu-100b-plus-pharma-exodus-us
Look, I am not T cheerleader, but having an absolutely vital industry to national security return to the US to the tune of $100B is a great outcome. This is one area where it was a massive mistake to lose our base in terms of manufacturing. If this outcome comes to fruition, I'd give T the win here, even if it cost some short term 401k dip. If the US has the best market for things like pharma, then make it a requirement to manufacture here if they want to sell here. Chinese do the same stuff but even worse, yet they're never called out on it.
Wake the f up. Europe and the US trade is worth over a trillion dollars. That is all going away. The Europeans have been actively recruiting scientists, chemists, etc from all the fired US federal employees and universities scientists, chemist, researchers, etc who have lost grants and federal research dollars. All the drug innovations in the US come from federal grants and research. That is now over. Add in Robert Kennedy and anti science stuff AND NOTHING IS COMING TO THE US.
The article is pure right wing nut job fantasy. No one is investing in manufacturing in the US. The regulatory environment and government interference is too great to invest anything. The Tariff change hourly, the graft and corruption is too expensive. Capital is fleeing the US. The scientific brain drain is huge.
This is the new world order.
I call BS. If this were true then we wouldn’t be paying the highest drug prices in the world. It costs pennies to manufacture drugs. The high cost is due to patents because it’s private companies making the innovations.
Every single drug approved by the FDA 2010-2016 had NIH-funded studies involved. Every one. The basic science behind the innovations happen at med schools and other R1 or R2 institutions that advance the science. Private companies build on established research, then spend years in clinical trials, which is time consuming and expensive.
The fact that so many people still don't get this is why the administration has been able to kneecap the NIH, FDA, etc. with relatively little pushback from the public. Sigh. Here's hoping other countries fill the new vacuum, for the sake of everyone's health.