I just drove across most of the country. Compared to the first term, there are very few Trump signs out there. I think many Trump voters are very reachable if only Democrats had a message that resonated with the working and middle class. But Democrats don't. They have spent the past decade repelling vast swaths of voters. And living in DC, I can see that Democrats still have their heads in the sand. They reflexively blame stupidity, racism, and misogyny for their losses. They assume everyone living between DC and California are illiterate ogres.

But Democrats never address their own policy choices and the strength of their candidates. I suspect Democrats are just going to sit on their asses for 4 years and rely on the unpopularity of Trump to win elections. And that'll work for one election cycle. That's how Biden won. But if Trump isn't on the ballot, Democrats problems are going to get worse, not better. I think the progressive bubble is more destructive than the MAGA bubble. Democrats are the party of wealthy, progressive white elites and black women. That's a tiny little tent. Until Democrats get out of their own bubble and actually talk to middle class families and address the kitchen table issues - and fears - that most Americans deal with, the party will continue to slide into irrelevancy.

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Anonymous wrote:These people are living in a bubble. They only consume information that supports their beliefs. No facts can sway them. Sadly they represent large communities so the bubble is very large. In this bubble, Trump is smart, tariffs are good, firing Government workers is OK, and Putin is favored over their own fellow Americans, who are Democrats.

Nothing can burst their bubble as it is so comfortable to have a community that agrees with all of your views. It does not challenge you.

You got things flipped

The bubble is the inside the beltway crowd and the McLean/bethesda urban elites

The servants are revolting and they can’t figure out what is going on

But the McLean/Bethesda "urban elites" aren't the ones who will suffer.

I’m not the PP but my God the DCUM bubble is strong.

You do not understand. The jobless, underemployed working class men of all races who voted Trump into office are already suffering. They were suffering under Biden. They suffered under Trump v1. They suffered under Obama.

They’ve reached the “smash it all up stage” because they do not have any hope. And of course McLean/Bethesda elites suffer if the stock market is destroyed. How could they not? They’ll lose value in their market holdings.

My guess is that if you polled that group, Trump’s favorability ratings under the tariffs have gone up, not down. What do they care if the stock market is destroyed? Their lives are already miserable.

DCUM Democrats struggle to understand that Trump represents a class struggle moment, in which DCUM Democrats are seen as the bad guys.

Maybe these men wouldn’t have needed up in this situation if they had gotten a damn education or been willing to relocate for a job. Instead they were the types who goofed off in high school and made fun of people who studied hard. No one owes you a well paying job in the small town you grew up in. Smart people know you get an education and move to where the opportunity is. It’s the ultimate entitlement to think someone should bring opportunities to you. Times change and you adapt or get left behind. Screw them.

This!!!
It is the height of privilege to be whining about the loss of manufacturing jobs for half a century. Hollywood spent a lot of time dwelling on the costs of the decline of steel and factory jobs in the 80s. The country mourned with Hollywood and moved on. Time for these young men to focus on being serious and responsible.

Certainly a winning message. How ever could Democrats have lost? Such a mystery.

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Anonymous wrote:These people are living in a bubble. They only consume information that supports their beliefs. No facts can sway them. Sadly they represent large communities so the bubble is very large. In this bubble, Trump is smart, tariffs are good, firing Government workers is OK, and Putin is favored over their own fellow Americans, who are Democrats.

Nothing can burst their bubble as it is so comfortable to have a community that agrees with all of your views. It does not challenge you.

You got things flipped

The bubble is the inside the beltway crowd and the McLean/bethesda urban elites

The servants are revolting and they can’t figure out what is going on

But the McLean/Bethesda "urban elites" aren't the ones who will suffer.

I’m not the PP but my God the DCUM bubble is strong.

You do not understand. The jobless, underemployed working class men of all races who voted Trump into office are already suffering. They were suffering under Biden. They suffered under Trump v1. They suffered under Obama.

They’ve reached the “smash it all up stage” because they do not have any hope. And of course McLean/Bethesda elites suffer if the stock market is destroyed. How could they not? They’ll lose value in their market holdings.

My guess is that if you polled that group, Trump’s favorability ratings under the tariffs have gone up, not down. What do they care if the stock market is destroyed? Their lives are already miserable.

DCUM Democrats struggle to understand that Trump represents a class struggle moment, in which DCUM Democrats are seen as the bad guys.

Maybe these men wouldn’t have needed up in this situation if they had gotten a damn education or been willing to relocate for a job. Instead they were the types who goofed off in high school and made fun of people who studied hard. No one owes you a well paying job in the small town you grew up in. Smart people know you get an education and move to where the opportunity is. It’s the ultimate entitlement to think someone should bring opportunities to you. Times change and you adapt or get left behind. Screw them.

It actually doesn’t matter how much you or other elites look down on and despise a group of disposessed young men who think they don’t have a future. It doesn’t matter how much you scorn them, how much better you believe you are than them. All you are doing with your derision and scorn is hardening the group, building it up, making it stronger.

And once you create that group, everyone experiences the consequences, because societies that have large groups of disaffected young men who feel they have nothing to lose will suffer. And make no mistake, you and other DCUM Democrats created that group as much as the wealthy Republicans did. Your scorn and derision after your support of policies that hollowed out their opportunities is just making that group stronger, little by little.

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Anonymous wrote:These people are living in a bubble. They only consume information that supports their beliefs. No facts can sway them. Sadly they represent large communities so the bubble is very large. In this bubble, Trump is smart, tariffs are good, firing Government workers is OK, and Putin is favored over their own fellow Americans, who are Democrats.

Nothing can burst their bubble as it is so comfortable to have a community that agrees with all of your views. It does not challenge you.

You got things flipped

The bubble is the inside the beltway crowd and the McLean/bethesda urban elites

The servants are revolting and they can’t figure out what is going on

But the McLean/Bethesda "urban elites" aren't the ones who will suffer.

I’m not the PP but my God the DCUM bubble is strong.

You do not understand. The jobless, underemployed working class men of all races who voted Trump into office are already suffering. They were suffering under Biden. They suffered under Trump v1. They suffered under Obama.

They’ve reached the “smash it all up stage” because they do not have any hope. And of course McLean/Bethesda elites suffer if the stock market is destroyed. How could they not? They’ll lose value in their market holdings.

My guess is that if you polled that group, Trump’s favorability ratings under the tariffs have gone up, not down. What do they care if the stock market is destroyed? Their lives are already miserable.

DCUM Democrats struggle to understand that Trump represents a class struggle moment, in which DCUM Democrats are seen as the bad guys.

Maybe these men wouldn’t have needed up in this situation if they had gotten a damn education or been willing to relocate for a job. Instead they were the types who goofed off in high school and made fun of people who studied hard. No one owes you a well paying job in the small town you grew up in. Smart people know you get an education and move to where the opportunity is. It’s the ultimate entitlement to think someone should bring opportunities to you. Times change and you adapt or get left behind. Screw them.

This!!!
It is the height of privilege to be whining about the loss of manufacturing jobs for half a century. Hollywood spent a lot of time dwelling on the costs of the decline of steel and factory jobs in the 80s. The country mourned with Hollywood and moved on. Time for these young men to focus on being serious and responsible.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:These people are living in a bubble. They only consume information that supports their beliefs. No facts can sway them. Sadly they represent large communities so the bubble is very large. In this bubble, Trump is smart, tariffs are good, firing Government workers is OK, and Putin is favored over their own fellow Americans, who are Democrats.

Nothing can burst their bubble as it is so comfortable to have a community that agrees with all of your views. It does not challenge you.

You got things flipped

The bubble is the inside the beltway crowd and the McLean/bethesda urban elites

The servants are revolting and they can’t figure out what is going on

But the McLean/Bethesda "urban elites" aren't the ones who will suffer.

I’m not the PP but my God the DCUM bubble is strong.

You do not understand. The jobless, underemployed working class men of all races who voted Trump into office are already suffering. They were suffering under Biden. They suffered under Trump v1. They suffered under Obama.

They’ve reached the “smash it all up stage” because they do not have any hope. And of course McLean/Bethesda elites suffer if the stock market is destroyed. How could they not? They’ll lose value in their market holdings.

My guess is that if you polled that group, Trump’s favorability ratings under the tariffs have gone up, not down. What do they care if the stock market is destroyed? Their lives are already miserable.

DCUM Democrats struggle to understand that Trump represents a class struggle moment, in which DCUM Democrats are seen as the bad guys.

Maybe these men wouldn’t have needed up in this situation if they had gotten a damn education or been willing to relocate for a job. Instead they were the types who goofed off in high school and made fun of people who studied hard. No one owes you a well paying job in the small town you grew up in. Smart people know you get an education and move to where the opportunity is. It’s the ultimate entitlement to think someone should bring opportunities to you. Times change and you adapt or get left behind. Screw them.

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Anonymous wrote:I agree that there is a class struggle where the democrats are the bad guys, but I’d love to know which *current* republican policies are tangibly better for working class employees and don’t actually favor the ultra-wealthy more.

Don’t talk to me about Bill Clinton and NAFTA. Talk to me about 2025.

Mandate e-verify . Hold business accountable for hiring migrants over US citizens. Democrats refuse

Repeal OPT. Used to replace US citizens with cheap temporary labor. Democrats refuse

So do Republicans. They know their donors require illegal labor to exploit. That's why they prefer to villainize people just trying to survive, instead of the people exploiting them for profit.

Get rid of their access to jobs, you stop the illegal immigration. That much is obvious to anyone with a brain. Neither side is willing to really do anything about it, because MONEY. The democrats have their little song and dance. Republicans have theirs. But at the end of the day, both parties serve capital, and capital cares only about their profits.

exactly

but Democrats used to be the party of labor

no more

You're right. But Republicans are not and have never been the party of labor. Neither party is concerned with the interests of labor. We desperately need to remind them (all of them) that labor built and runs this country, and that they ignore us at their peril.

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Anonymous wrote:NP. Yeah, I’m not so sure MAGA are the ones in the bubble. Or rather, they are in a bubble, but the people in the DCUM bubble are equally sealed. Why were so many DCUMs shocked at Trump’s win? That he was going to easily win was obvious to those of us who don’t rely solely on DCUM approved media sources.

I am a moderate, Harris-voting Democrat. (I would never vote for Trump.) I make it a point to consume both right and left wing media sources as well as MSM. And it is weird, what I read on DCUM sometimes. There is as much of a bubble here as you accuse the MAGA of living in.

FYI the right wing media is covering the protests. They aren’t hiding it. So this whole idea that Fox isn’t covering the protests, well that’s the product of your bubble, not reality. But you’d have to actually make a point of consuming right wing media sources to know that.

PP, go to the Fox News website right now and see what they are covering. Tell me if it’s even close for the biggest news stories affecting America right now.

Also how is a moderate Dem so attuned to how they covered protests that happened yesterday? Seems odd, as the only people who actually put that channel on that regularly are those who watch it.

Oh my God, can you even read? I told you in my post that I make it a point of consuming right wing media! Yes of course know how they covered it — I deliberately went to watch it, as I indeed regularly do, which I specifically told you. I go out of my way to consume right wing media specifically so I am not in the DCUM bubble. That is what I told you!

Jesus sometimes some of you here are so slow.

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Anonymous wrote:These people are living in a bubble. They only consume information that supports their beliefs. No facts can sway them. Sadly they represent large communities so the bubble is very large. In this bubble, Trump is smart, tariffs are good, firing Government workers is OK, and Putin is favored over their own fellow Americans, who are Democrats.

Nothing can burst their bubble as it is so comfortable to have a community that agrees with all of your views. It does not challenge you.

The situation is far worse than you claim. Democrats are also in a delusional bubble in which they will fall for any lie as long as their leaders are the ones spreading it.

Just look at how allegedly intelligent Democrats on this forum lied to themselves and attacked others instead of admitting the obvious truth of Biden's impairment. Democrat insiders are confessing it all now, but anyone who wasn't a propagandized mouth breather should've been able to see that for themselves in real time.

Every accusing a confession. At least you magas are consistently and predictably gullible.

You aren't smarter than them. You're falling for the same BS, but you'll happily swallow it so long as the person has a D in front of their name.

They lied to us all. That's not okay. Anything else you attempt to say about it is a justification for what is patently not okay. We need to demand better. Democrat or Republican. Our leaders are supposed to serve and to answer to us.

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Anonymous wrote:I agree that there is a class struggle where the democrats are the bad guys, but I’d love to know which *current* republican policies are tangibly better for working class employees and don’t actually favor the ultra-wealthy more.

Don’t talk to me about Bill Clinton and NAFTA. Talk to me about 2025.

Mandate e-verify . Hold business accountable for hiring migrants over US citizens. Democrats refuse

Repeal OPT. Used to replace US citizens with cheap temporary labor. Democrats refuse

So do Republicans. They know their donors require illegal labor to exploit. That's why they prefer to villainize people just trying to survive, instead of the people exploiting them for profit.

Get rid of their access to jobs, you stop the illegal immigration. That much is obvious to anyone with a brain. Neither side is willing to really do anything about it, because MONEY. The democrats have their little song and dance. Republicans have theirs. But at the end of the day, both parties serve capital, and capital cares only about their profits.

exactly

but Democrats used to be the party of labor

no more

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I agree that there is a class struggle where the democrats are the bad guys, but I’d love to know which *current* republican policies are tangibly better for working class employees and don’t actually favor the ultra-wealthy more.

Don’t talk to me about Bill Clinton and NAFTA. Talk to me about 2025.

Mandate e-verify . Hold business accountable for hiring migrants over US citizens. Democrats refuse

Repeal OPT. Used to replace US citizens with cheap temporary labor. Democrats refuse

So do Republicans. They know their donors require illegal labor to exploit. That's why they prefer to villainize people just trying to survive, instead of the people exploiting them for profit.

Get rid of their access to jobs, you stop the illegal immigration. That much is obvious to anyone with a brain. Neither side is willing to really do anything about it, because MONEY. The democrats have their little song and dance. Republicans have theirs. But at the end of the day, both parties serve capital, and capital cares only about their profits.

This.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:These people are living in a bubble. They only consume information that supports their beliefs. No facts can sway them. Sadly they represent large communities so the bubble is very large. In this bubble, Trump is smart, tariffs are good, firing Government workers is OK, and Putin is favored over their own fellow Americans, who are Democrats.

Nothing can burst their bubble as it is so comfortable to have a community that agrees with all of your views. It does not challenge you.

You got things flipped

The bubble is the inside the beltway crowd and the McLean/bethesda urban elites

The servants are revolting and they can’t figure out what is going on

But the McLean/Bethesda "urban elites" aren't the ones who will suffer.

I’m not the PP but my God the DCUM bubble is strong.

You do not understand. The jobless, underemployed working class men of all races who voted Trump into office are already suffering. They were suffering under Biden. They suffered under Trump v1. They suffered under Obama.

They’ve reached the “smash it all up stage” because they do not have any hope. And of course McLean/Bethesda elites suffer if the stock market is destroyed. How could they not? They’ll lose value in their market holdings.

My guess is that if you polled that group, Trump’s favorability ratings under the tariffs have gone up, not down. What do they care if the stock market is destroyed? Their lives are already miserable.

DCUM Democrats struggle to understand that Trump represents a class struggle moment, in which DCUM Democrats are seen as the bad guys.

Maybe these men wouldn’t have needed up in this situation if they had gotten a damn education or been willing to relocate for a job. Instead they were the types who goofed off in high school and made fun of people who studied hard. No one owes you a well paying job in the small town you grew up in. Smart people know you get an education and move to where the opportunity is. It’s the ultimate entitlement to think someone should bring opportunities to you. Times change and you adapt or get left behind. Screw them.

Welp. Times they are a-changin' now.

The reality is that Americans being left behind economically get a vote on how to deal with the policies that gutted their small towns.

Anonymous wrote:Who is typing in this thread?

You are using the wrong words? WTH?

"Are" is not "our".

eevens?


Watching Fox right now. They are showing footage of the protests in several cities and asking people there what they are protesting... not that the answers they get from any of the protestors are coherent. But still, there's no news blackout.

This thread seems to be off the rails.

You honestly believe, out of millions of protesters, none of them could articulate why they were there? You truly believe they didn't just cherry pick interviews that made the person sound incoherent, in order to support the Fox narrative?

You are in a cult, and are completely unable to have an individual thought and to think an issue through logically.

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Anonymous wrote:These people are living in a bubble. They only consume information that supports their beliefs. No facts can sway them. Sadly they represent large communities so the bubble is very large. In this bubble, Trump is smart, tariffs are good, firing Government workers is OK, and Putin is favored over their own fellow Americans, who are Democrats.

Nothing can burst their bubble as it is so comfortable to have a community that agrees with all of your views. It does not challenge you.

The situation is far worse than you claim. Democrats are also in a delusional bubble in which they will fall for any lie as long as their leaders are the ones spreading it.

Just look at how allegedly intelligent Democrats on this forum lied to themselves and attacked others instead of admitting the obvious truth of Biden's impairment. Democrat insiders are confessing it all now, but anyone who wasn't a propagandized mouth breather should've been able to see that for themselves in real time.

Every accusing a confession. At least you magas are consistently and predictably gullible.

Anonymous wrote:NP. Yeah, I’m not so sure MAGA are the ones in the bubble. Or rather, they are in a bubble, but the people in the DCUM bubble are equally sealed. Why were so many DCUMs shocked at Trump’s win? That he was going to easily win was obvious to those of us who don’t rely solely on DCUM approved media sources.

I am a moderate, Harris-voting Democrat. (I would never vote for Trump.) I make it a point to consume both right and left wing media sources as well as MSM. And it is weird, what I read on DCUM sometimes. There is as much of a bubble here as you accuse the MAGA of living in.

FYI the right wing media is covering the protests. They aren’t hiding it. So this whole idea that Fox isn’t covering the protests, well that’s the product of your bubble, not reality. But you’d have to actually make a point of consuming right wing media sources to know that.

PP, go to the Fox News website right now and see what they are covering. Tell me if it’s even close for the biggest news stories affecting America right now.

Also how is a moderate Dem so attuned to how they covered protests that happened yesterday? Seems odd, as the only people who actually put that channel on that regularly are those who watch it.

Anonymous wrote:These people are living in a bubble. They only consume information that supports their beliefs. No facts can sway them. Sadly they represent large communities so the bubble is very large. In this bubble, Trump is smart, tariffs are good, firing Government workers is OK, and Putin is favored over their own fellow Americans, who are Democrats.

Nothing can burst their bubble as it is so comfortable to have a community that agrees with all of your views. It does not challenge you.

The situation is far worse than you claim. Democrats are also in a delusional bubble in which they will fall for any lie as long as their leaders are the ones spreading it.

Just look at how allegedly intelligent Democrats on this forum lied to themselves and attacked others instead of admitting the obvious truth of Biden's impairment. Democrat insiders are confessing it all now, but anyone who wasn't a propagandized mouth breather should've been able to see that for themselves in real time.