Anonymous
Post 03/21/2025 10:05     Subject: What SHOULD Dems do?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:It takes 3 votes to be rid of him and have a counter revolution. Nov. 2026. House vote (impeach), Senate vote (convict). It could be sooner if people can unite around the concept of rule of law. Then 2 votes. 1 house. 1 senate.

All this for...President Vance? No thank you.


Actually yeah.

Dems should be mobilizing to get rid of trump. It’s the clearest message. Out now.
Anonymous
Post 03/21/2025 09:58     Subject: What SHOULD Dems do?
Anonymous wrote:It takes 3 votes to be rid of him and have a counter revolution. Nov. 2026. House vote (impeach), Senate vote (convict). It could be sooner if people can unite around the concept of rule of law. Then 2 votes. 1 house. 1 senate.

All this for...President Vance? No thank you.
Anonymous
Post 03/21/2025 09:15     Subject: What SHOULD Dems do?
I'm not sure what Democrats should do. Even after two months of Trump, they still poll below Republicans. Democrats are associated either with geriatric and compromised leaders like Schumer or with unpopular identity politics and performative virtue signaling. The only Democrats that I'm seeing who are breaking through and giving voice to the anger and outrage are Bernie Sanders and AOC. I'm impressed with both of them. They are rising to the moment. And most importantly they are authentic. You can disagree with them, but at least you know where they stand. I think Democrats should follow their lead. Keep the focus on economic issues, fighting oligarchs, and Republican treachery. Be angry. Be outraged. Do town halls everywhere. Go grassroots. And for God's sake, understand the media universe these days. Babbling platitudes on Face the Nation is so 1983.
Anonymous
Post 03/21/2025 09:08     Subject: What SHOULD Dems do?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:It takes 3 votes to be rid of him and have a counter revolution. Nov. 2026. House vote (impeach), Senate vote (convict). It could be sooner if people can unite around the concept of rule of law. Then 2 votes. 1 house. 1 senate.


November 2026 is way too late. If this isn't ended in the next month or two, we are done.


No, it's not. Not if people start rallying around it now. America loves recalls. The problem now is the opposition can't decide what to do. They need a simple idea/goal to unite around and this could be the single answer everyone starting now can say and repeat until it happens. It a very easy argument to make with every action he takes. It's common sense. It's legal. Make it the goal. Show him how he's going to leave office for a second time. Build a movement toward it. Keep it simple that everyone who's against him can agree and work toward. It would change the narrative and make him upset because America is going to fire him. If it builds any momentum, all these radical changes slow down/get reversed. His own party may join the movement at some point -- all the better.


Recalls?

That take months to more than a year to affect and are uniformly unsuccessful.


Congress could recall him now with 2 votes. 1 to impeach. 1 to convict. There needs to a political movement to make it happen with the current Congress OR by electing a new one.
Anonymous
Post 03/21/2025 09:03     Subject: What SHOULD Dems do?
Anonymous wrote:So pleased to read this:
Bidens are raising money and helping energize the dems, which means more if our leaders will be mobilized and ready.
PI knew they wouldn’t let us down.
https://apple.news/Agiw1SLKVQSGmbs7cEB0J2g




Good God these people are a mess
Anonymous
Post 03/21/2025 09:03     Subject: What SHOULD Dems do?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:It takes 3 votes to be rid of him and have a counter revolution. Nov. 2026. House vote (impeach), Senate vote (convict). It could be sooner if people can unite around the concept of rule of law. Then 2 votes. 1 house. 1 senate.


November 2026 is way too late. If this isn't ended in the next month or two, we are done.


No, it's not. Not if people start rallying around it now. America loves recalls. The problem now is the opposition can't decide what to do. They need a simple idea/goal to unite around and this could be the single answer everyone starting now can say and repeat until it happens. It a very easy argument to make with every action he takes. It's common sense. It's legal. Make it the goal. Show him how he's going to leave office for a second time. Build a movement toward it. Keep it simple that everyone who's against him can agree and work toward. It would change the narrative and make him upset because America is going to fire him. If it builds any momentum, all these radical changes slow down/get reversed. His own party may join the movement at some point -- all the better.


Recalls?

That take months to more than a year to affect and are uniformly unsuccessful.


It's the idea. Fire him. That's really what's needed. It's something all who are against him could rally around and it's the legal way to do it. He succeeded by keeping ideas simple. The same is now needed. It's the simple answer to all what he's doing. He's breaking this law or defying this judge. OK, the People are going to respond. We're going to fire him. He's gone too far. Make a movement around that. Get candidates who support that. The very act of this if it gained any momentum would change everything. As it is now, people feel like there's nothing they can do and it's hopeless. That must change. This could do it.
Anonymous
Post 03/21/2025 08:58     Subject: What SHOULD Dems do?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:It takes 3 votes to be rid of him and have a counter revolution. Nov. 2026. House vote (impeach), Senate vote (convict). It could be sooner if people can unite around the concept of rule of law. Then 2 votes. 1 house. 1 senate.


November 2026 is way too late. If this isn't ended in the next month or two, we are done.


No, it's not. Not if people start rallying around it now. America loves recalls. The problem now is the opposition can't decide what to do. They need a simple idea/goal to unite around and this could be the single answer everyone starting now can say and repeat until it happens. It a very easy argument to make with every action he takes. It's common sense. It's legal. Make it the goal. Show him how he's going to leave office for a second time. Build a movement toward it. Keep it simple that everyone who's against him can agree and work toward. It would change the narrative and make him upset because America is going to fire him. If it builds any momentum, all these radical changes slow down/get reversed. His own party may join the movement at some point -- all the better.


Recalls?

That take months to more than a year to affect and are uniformly unsuccessful.
Anonymous
Post 03/21/2025 08:49     Subject: What SHOULD Dems do?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:January 6th is everything to me


I was traumatized by that and can't fathom how the Republicans rationalize it.


Just had a day long argument with my mother, who'd rationalizing why it's OK my spouse just got fired from the feds, and she seems to think J6 was only about 4-6 hours long, so it's implausible that 1,500 or more would be arrested and convicted. That there must be shenanigans in the prosecution somehow.

I asked her if she had read the Jan 6 committee report. https://www.amazon.com/January-6-Report-6th-Committee/dp/0063315505. Nope.

Or Jack Smith's report. https://electionlawblog.org/wp-content/uploads/report-of-special-counsel-smith-volume-1-january-2025.pdf Nope.

Or Michael Fanone's book. Nope. Harry Dunn's? Nope. Aquilino Gonell's? Nope.

The Breach by a Republican congressman? Perhaps more believable to her. Nope. https://www.amazon.com/Breach-Untold-Story-Investigation-January/dp/1250866766

Has she viewed body worn camera footage? Nope.

Everyone needs to go to primary sources. The days are over where media was a reliable secondary source of information.



So sorry about your spouse losing their job to fed cuts.

That must be so stressful for you trying to talk reason to your brainwashed mother. My DIL has a similar problem with both her parents who gets their news from Fox and Facebook. It is very frustrating and painful for her to not be able to get through with reason and credible sources.

I totally agree about primary sources. Thanks for that great list !

Best wishes and sending you a virtual hug.




Thank you. Your writing style makes me think I know you IRL. (And that's a good thing). If your name starts with M, thanks for the support this week at work. If not, thanks anyway to a kind stranger.
Anonymous
Post 03/21/2025 08:49     Subject: What SHOULD Dems do?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:It takes 3 votes to be rid of him and have a counter revolution. Nov. 2026. House vote (impeach), Senate vote (convict). It could be sooner if people can unite around the concept of rule of law. Then 2 votes. 1 house. 1 senate.


November 2026 is way too late. If this isn't ended in the next month or two, we are done.


No, it's not. Not if people start rallying around it now. America loves recalls. The problem now is the opposition can't decide what to do. They need a simple idea/goal to unite around and this could be the single answer everyone starting now can say and repeat until it happens. It a very easy argument to make with every action he takes. It's common sense. It's legal. Make it the goal. Show him how he's going to leave office for a second time. Build a movement toward it. Keep it simple that everyone who's against him can agree and work toward. It would change the narrative and make him upset because America is going to fire him. If it builds any momentum, all these radical changes slow down/get reversed. His own party may join the movement at some point -- all the better.
Anonymous
Post 03/21/2025 08:44     Subject: What SHOULD Dems do?
So pleased to read this:
Bidens are raising money and helping energize the dems, which means more if our leaders will be mobilized and ready.
PI knew they wouldn’t let us down.
https://apple.news/Agiw1SLKVQSGmbs7cEB0J2g
Anonymous
Post 03/21/2025 08:42     Subject: What SHOULD Dems do?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Dems need to, as Ezra Klein put it, face why Trump won.

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/democrats-need-to-face-why-trump-won/id1548604447?i=1000699618199

They need to stop their need for political purity and their resulting in-fighting. It's ridiculous to call for Schumer's resignation. It's the same as the GOP calling for judges to be impeached.

They need to refocus their message on the working class. The people barely surviving through a gig economy, with inflation and possibly stagflation coming their way. They need to look at whole systems to understand why there are housing shortages and not primarily focus on helping the most vulnerable. Don't stop helping them, but that can't be your main messaging. Your messaging has to be we are all in this together. Let's create opportunity for all, so that all can thrive.

You have to stop demonizing whole classes of people. Police, white men, Karens. Republicans themselves. It feels good. I get it. I feel it too. But you are alienating half the nation. We talk about being inclusive. Walk the walk. Include those you disagree with. Make genuine room for diversity of perspective too.



Didn't Ezra Klein argue Trump was going to back down rather than cause a constitutional crisis?

I think Klein is really good at writing click bait.

The Dems can't focus on the working class because they are beholden to their rich voters and haven't had support from the White working class for decades, now they are losing Latinos too.


That should have said rich donors
Anonymous
Post 03/21/2025 08:41     Subject: What SHOULD Dems do?
Anonymous wrote:Dems need to, as Ezra Klein put it, face why Trump won.

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/democrats-need-to-face-why-trump-won/id1548604447?i=1000699618199

They need to stop their need for political purity and their resulting in-fighting. It's ridiculous to call for Schumer's resignation. It's the same as the GOP calling for judges to be impeached.

They need to refocus their message on the working class. The people barely surviving through a gig economy, with inflation and possibly stagflation coming their way. They need to look at whole systems to understand why there are housing shortages and not primarily focus on helping the most vulnerable. Don't stop helping them, but that can't be your main messaging. Your messaging has to be we are all in this together. Let's create opportunity for all, so that all can thrive.

You have to stop demonizing whole classes of people. Police, white men, Karens. Republicans themselves. It feels good. I get it. I feel it too. But you are alienating half the nation. We talk about being inclusive. Walk the walk. Include those you disagree with. Make genuine room for diversity of perspective too.



Didn't Ezra Klein argue Trump was going to back down rather than cause a constitutional crisis?

I think Klein is really good at writing click bait.

The Dems can't focus on the working class because they are beholden to their rich voters and haven't had support from the White working class for decades, now they are losing Latinos too.
Anonymous
Post 03/21/2025 08:29     Subject: What SHOULD Dems do?
Anonymous wrote:It takes 3 votes to be rid of him and have a counter revolution. Nov. 2026. House vote (impeach), Senate vote (convict). It could be sooner if people can unite around the concept of rule of law. Then 2 votes. 1 house. 1 senate.


November 2026 is way too late. If this isn't ended in the next month or two, we are done.
Anonymous
Post 03/21/2025 08:29     Subject: What SHOULD Dems do?
There are a lot of people at institutions like universities, the democratic party and in government who are making a lot of money. Part of why they are making that money is because the future sanctity of those institutions are in their hands, and yet what we are getting instead is a total lack of imagination, vision and abject cowardice in the fact of the rise of authoritarianism.

What should they be doing? Educating the public, sounding the alarm and calling for nationwide general strikes at a minimum.
Anonymous
Post 03/21/2025 08:24     Subject: What SHOULD Dems do?
It takes 3 votes to be rid of him and have a counter revolution. Nov. 2026. House vote (impeach), Senate vote (convict). It could be sooner if people can unite around the concept of rule of law. Then 2 votes. 1 house. 1 senate.