Anonymous
Post 03/20/2025 09:45     Subject: Hiring freeze in academia
Anonymous wrote:This is outrageous. The purpose of academia is the steady expansion of hiring, funded by an increasing debt burden on younger generations. For Ttump to even slow this process is monstrous.


Anonymous
Post 03/20/2025 09:45     Subject: Hiring freeze in academia
Welp, it's been a good run. Seems like becoming the next Argentina is nearly a fait accompli at this point.

The notion that America is exceptional for some intangible or irrevocable reason has always been absurd. Our power and wealth came from our stable institutions, extensive use of soft power, and from the two industries where we had a massive structural advantages that were hard for any other country to overcome: academia and Hollywood. Stable government institutions are already starting to fail, soft power is gone, and the American cultural brand that supported Hollywood is on the outs. If we allow our best researchers to leave, then there's really nothing left to prevent us from becoming a middle-income country.
Anonymous
Post 03/20/2025 09:41     Subject: Hiring freeze in academia
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I'm fine with academia not getting any federal funds. Especially research, there is a pervasive attitude that Americans aren't interested, and they need H-1B. Let the foreigners pay for their own research and skills. Quit training our competition that is what I say.

I could see if the whole academic H-1b worked the way it was sold to us. EG We don't have specific skills, they bring in professors to teach us the skills. However, that isn't the way it works. The H-1b they bring in are horrible at transferring knowledge to Americans, they take lower wages then drive out Americans, and bring in more foreigners, "Because Americans aren't interested."

Bringing in Foreigners to teach us skills, only makes sense if we're actually interested in the skills. Who is going to study for twenty years to work in a cubicle for a median wage and long hours? Bus drivers and plumber's make more money and have more job security.



This is the definition of cutting off your nose to spite your face.


The current administration is questioning whether it is necessary for the U.S. taxpayer to fund various research projects, particularly at universities with large endowments who can easily afford to fund such projects on their own. Likewise, the current administration is freezing funds from going to universities that refuse to enforce their own rules against antisemitism or who are breaking federal law.

No university is entitled to Federal funds.


Nobody is entitled to anything, except for Social Security. But the United States should fund research universities, for many reasons.

Most of us know that. Are you Lutnick or Bessent trying to sell your "Mar-A-Largo Accord"?


But what "should" the U.S. Government fund? And even if it "should" fund a particular program, must it do so if the university fails to enforce its own rules against antisemitism or is breaking federal law?


Let Musk tell because you know, he knows it all.
Anonymous
Post 03/20/2025 09:40     Subject: Hiring freeze in academia
Anonymous wrote:I'm fine with academia not getting any federal funds. Especially research, there is a pervasive attitude that Americans aren't interested, and they need H-1B. Let the foreigners pay for their own research and skills. Quit training our competition that is what I say.

I could see if the whole academic H-1b worked the way it was sold to us. EG We don't have specific skills, they bring in professors to teach us the skills. However, that isn't the way it works. The H-1b they bring in are horrible at transferring knowledge to Americans, they take lower wages then drive out Americans, and bring in more foreigners, "Because Americans aren't interested."

Bringing in Foreigners to teach us skills, only makes sense if we're actually interested in the skills. Who is going to study for twenty years to work in a cubicle for a median wage and long hours? Bus drivers and plumber's make more money and have more job security.



So MaGas are going to be brought in to "transfer KNOWLEDGE to Americans" now? Omfg, such an ignorant post.
Anonymous
Post 03/20/2025 09:37     Subject: Re:Hiring freeze in academia
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:So, the University of California, *not* all of academia.


Harvard, Princeton, Penn, University of Pittsburgh, University of Vermont …


All have sizeable endowments. Crack open that checkbook.


Won't be enough to sustain
Anonymous
Post 03/20/2025 09:35     Subject: Hiring freeze in academia
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I'm fine with academia not getting any federal funds. Especially research, there is a pervasive attitude that Americans aren't interested, and they need H-1B. Let the foreigners pay for their own research and skills. Quit training our competition that is what I say.

I could see if the whole academic H-1b worked the way it was sold to us. EG We don't have specific skills, they bring in professors to teach us the skills. However, that isn't the way it works. The H-1b they bring in are horrible at transferring knowledge to Americans, they take lower wages then drive out Americans, and bring in more foreigners, "Because Americans aren't interested."

Bringing in Foreigners to teach us skills, only makes sense if we're actually interested in the skills. Who is going to study for twenty years to work in a cubicle for a median wage and long hours? Bus drivers and plumber's make more money and have more job security.



This is the definition of cutting off your nose to spite your face.


The current administration is questioning whether it is necessary for the U.S. taxpayer to fund various research projects, particularly at universities with large endowments who can easily afford to fund such projects on their own. Likewise, the current administration is freezing funds from going to universities that refuse to enforce their own rules against antisemitism or who are breaking federal law.

No university is entitled to Federal funds.


Nobody is entitled to anything, except for Social Security. But the United States should fund research universities, for many reasons.

Most of us know that. Are you Lutnick or Bessent trying to sell your "Mar-A-Largo Accord"?


But what "should" the U.S. Government fund? And even if it "should" fund a particular program, must it do so if the university fails to enforce its own rules against antisemitism or is breaking federal law?
Anonymous
Post 03/20/2025 09:30     Subject: Re:Hiring freeze in academia
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:So, the University of California, *not* all of academia.


Harvard, Princeton, Penn, University of Pittsburgh, University of Vermont …


All have sizeable endowments. Crack open that checkbook.

Nope. They will just admit more full pay students
Anonymous
Post 03/20/2025 09:25     Subject: Hiring freeze in academia
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I'm fine with academia not getting any federal funds. Especially research, there is a pervasive attitude that Americans aren't interested, and they need H-1B. Let the foreigners pay for their own research and skills. Quit training our competition that is what I say.

I could see if the whole academic H-1b worked the way it was sold to us. EG We don't have specific skills, they bring in professors to teach us the skills. However, that isn't the way it works. The H-1b they bring in are horrible at transferring knowledge to Americans, they take lower wages then drive out Americans, and bring in more foreigners, "Because Americans aren't interested."

Bringing in Foreigners to teach us skills, only makes sense if we're actually interested in the skills. Who is going to study for twenty years to work in a cubicle for a median wage and long hours? Bus drivers and plumber's make more money and have more job security.



This is the definition of cutting off your nose to spite your face.


The current administration is questioning whether it is necessary for the U.S. taxpayer to fund various research projects, particularly at universities with large endowments who can easily afford to fund such projects on their own. Likewise, the current administration is freezing funds from going to universities that refuse to enforce their own rules against antisemitism or who are breaking federal law.

No university is entitled to Federal funds.


Nobody is entitled to anything, except for Social Security. But the United States should fund research universities, for many reasons.

Most of us know that. Are you Lutnick or Bessent trying to sell your "Mar-A-Largo Accord"?
Anonymous
Post 03/20/2025 09:23     Subject: Hiring freeze in academia
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I'm fine with academia not getting any federal funds. Especially research, there is a pervasive attitude that Americans aren't interested, and they need H-1B. Let the foreigners pay for their own research and skills. Quit training our competition that is what I say.

I could see if the whole academic H-1b worked the way it was sold to us. EG We don't have specific skills, they bring in professors to teach us the skills. However, that isn't the way it works. The H-1b they bring in are horrible at transferring knowledge to Americans, they take lower wages then drive out Americans, and bring in more foreigners, "Because Americans aren't interested."

Bringing in Foreigners to teach us skills, only makes sense if we're actually interested in the skills. Who is going to study for twenty years to work in a cubicle for a median wage and long hours? Bus drivers and plumber's make more money and have more job security.



This is the definition of cutting off your nose to spite your face.


The current administration is questioning whether it is necessary for the U.S. taxpayer to fund various research projects, particularly at universities with large endowments who can easily afford to fund such projects on their own. Likewise, the current administration is freezing funds from going to universities that refuse to enforce their own rules against antisemitism or who are breaking federal law.

No university is entitled to Federal funds.
Anonymous
Post 03/20/2025 09:06     Subject: Re:Hiring freeze in academia
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:So, the University of California, *not* all of academia.


Stanford University, MIT, Northwestern University, Cornell University, University of Notre Dame, Emory University, University of Washington, and North Carolina State University are among other institutions that have announced either full or partial hiring freezes. You should expect more to follow suit.


Because their grants are getting cut, duh.
Anonymous
Post 03/20/2025 08:49     Subject: Hiring freeze in academia
Anonymous wrote:I'm fine with academia not getting any federal funds. Especially research, there is a pervasive attitude that Americans aren't interested, and they need H-1B. Let the foreigners pay for their own research and skills. Quit training our competition that is what I say.

I could see if the whole academic H-1b worked the way it was sold to us. EG We don't have specific skills, they bring in professors to teach us the skills. However, that isn't the way it works. The H-1b they bring in are horrible at transferring knowledge to Americans, they take lower wages then drive out Americans, and bring in more foreigners, "Because Americans aren't interested."

Bringing in Foreigners to teach us skills, only makes sense if we're actually interested in the skills. Who is going to study for twenty years to work in a cubicle for a median wage and long hours? Bus drivers and plumber's make more money and have more job security.



This is the definition of cutting off your nose to spite your face.
Anonymous
Post 03/20/2025 08:41     Subject: Hiring freeze in academia
I'm fine with academia not getting any federal funds. Especially research, there is a pervasive attitude that Americans aren't interested, and they need H-1B. Let the foreigners pay for their own research and skills. Quit training our competition that is what I say.

I could see if the whole academic H-1b worked the way it was sold to us. EG We don't have specific skills, they bring in professors to teach us the skills. However, that isn't the way it works. The H-1b they bring in are horrible at transferring knowledge to Americans, they take lower wages then drive out Americans, and bring in more foreigners, "Because Americans aren't interested."

Bringing in Foreigners to teach us skills, only makes sense if we're actually interested in the skills. Who is going to study for twenty years to work in a cubicle for a median wage and long hours? Bus drivers and plumber's make more money and have more job security.

Anonymous
Post 03/20/2025 08:36     Subject: Re:Hiring freeze in academia
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:So, the University of California, *not* all of academia.


Many other research universities have announced hiring freezes - both public and private.

US dominance in research world wide is being hobbled.


I read an article this week that stated that European universities are looking to scoop up US talent. Cambridge was specifically cited. Scientists, if you're looking for a place to relocate, Cambridge is an AWESOME place to live and raise a family.

https://www.ft.com/content/cdcbe3df-9475-4816-9a95-0df64838566f

Anonymous
Post 03/20/2025 08:28     Subject: Hiring freeze in academia
Anonymous wrote:This is outrageous. The purpose of academia is the steady expansion of hiring, funded by an increasing debt burden on younger generations. For Ttump to even slow this process is monstrous.


The portion of the “debt burden” on younger generations is less than 1/4 of 1%, as part of Education, Training, Employment, and Social Services.

Reset assured, the people of the State of California would gladly stop subsidizing the mouth breathing losers in red states with their contributions to the Treasury. But when they have to remit over $750 billion in federal taxes, only to realize $600 billion in federal funding, shitty acts taken by incompetent government actors lead to threads like this one.

Nevertheless, you’ll only squeal when they come for whatever part of the budget you think is worthwhile, which is probably rural subsidies and defense spending. Good luck with that, piker.
Anonymous
Post 03/20/2025 08:26     Subject: Re:Hiring freeze in academia
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:So, the University of California, *not* all of academia.


Harvard, Princeton, Penn, University of Pittsburgh, University of Vermont …


All have sizeable endowments. Crack open that checkbook.