Anonymous
03/15/2025 19:44
Subject: Are the compounds still available or not?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I really wonder what will happen to everyone on them now. I am, but was considering stopping bc of exhaustion and minimal weight loss. For many though, it's been amazing, truly a life saver. It's criminal to force people to either suffer or spend thousands they do not have when there is a cheap solution.
No, it's not criminal. It's actually going to be criminal to knock off the patented formula through compounding, thereby robbing Lilly and Novo of deserved profits that they earned by investing in and developing life changing, miraculous drugs. People don't deserve access to the drug for free. If that were actually policy, we wouldn't be getting such incredible innovations because there wouldn't be a financial incentive for companies (and brilliant people) to develop them. Compounders don't get to keep ripping off the pharmaceutical companies who own the patents now that there is ample supply to go around, to those who will pay for it. It's like anything else. A company invents something awesome and you want it? Buy it. Don't complain that it's criminal for the company to charge so much for a product they invented.
Not necessarily true. That argument is arguably bs.
But yeah -- patent law is the heart of the issue here and compounders continuing to manufacture semaglutide while Wegovy is on patent is what would be illegal.
Let’s hear your proposed alternative that doesn’t involve people working for free.
As for the patents here, this is not an evergreening situation where the branded companies have come up with elaborate ways to extend term through their portfolio. All the original compound patents are the barrier. That’s life in the big city.
And no, it’s definitely not criminal for people to simply live the human experience and figure out how to live in a world of endless energy availability with intense food drive.
You don’t understand much about how things work in the R&D space do you? But you are trying desperately to sound like you do. Heck, I think you actually think you do. You don’t.
Anonymous
03/15/2025 19:41
Subject: Are the compounds still available or not?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I think at least some of the compounders will try to find a way around the restriction.
But if they don’t - can you imagine the Oscars next year? They are going to look like a reunion special for The Whale.
There is no way around the restriction. Some compounders made noise for awhile about adding vitamins to make it "different" but they knew full well that wouldn't fly legally, they just thought they might gain a few months of sales making that argument. They've all dropped it.
Not sure why on earth you think Hollywood stars would suddenly gain weight; I'm sure they have access to branded medication.
All those actresses who went from 120 lb to 100 lbs over the last few years are taking legitimate medication prescribed for diabetes from a legit doctor? All the dudes who went from 175 to 155? Seems unlikely.
I think your information is a little out of date.
They are taking weight loss medication. They are not taking diabetes medication. The medication for diabetes is Ozempic, and the medication for weight loss, which has the same active ingredient, is Wegovy. And doctors are prescribing it. To people in Hollywood, and people outside of it.
Anonymous
03/15/2025 19:40
Subject: Re:Are the compounds still available or not?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:can someone point to the rule or reg that is ending or stopping - or tell me what is actually happening?
So many threads on this. So much all over the internet. Just look it up.
The short of it is: patent law. Wegovy is on patent. Compounded semaglutide was only allowed during a shortage. No shortage, no compounding. Compounding is basically pharmacies making their own generic. You can't sell generic medications until the branded medication's patent expires. Unless there is a shortage, at which point exceptions can be made. But there is no longer a shortage.
I understand the gist of what’s happening. I’m asking about a rule or reg that was issued or expired or what’s happening legally and when?
https://www.fda.gov/drugs/drug-safety-and-availability/fda-clarifies-policies-compounders-national-glp-1-supply-begins-stabilize#:~:text=%5B2/21/2025%5D,2022%20due%20to%20increased%20demand.
Anonymous
03/15/2025 19:38
Subject: Re:Are the compounds still available or not?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:can someone point to the rule or reg that is ending or stopping - or tell me what is actually happening?
So many threads on this. So much all over the internet. Just look it up.
The short of it is: patent law. Wegovy is on patent. Compounded semaglutide was only allowed during a shortage. No shortage, no compounding. Compounding is basically pharmacies making their own generic. You can't sell generic medications until the branded medication's patent expires. Unless there is a shortage, at which point exceptions can be made. But there is no longer a shortage.
I understand the gist of what’s happening. I’m asking about a rule or reg that was issued or expired or what’s happening legally and when?
No new rule or regulation was issued. There is no drug shortage anymore.
Anonymous
03/15/2025 18:58
Subject: Re:Are the compounds still available or not?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:can someone point to the rule or reg that is ending or stopping - or tell me what is actually happening?
So many threads on this. So much all over the internet. Just look it up.
The short of it is: patent law. Wegovy is on patent. Compounded semaglutide was only allowed during a shortage. No shortage, no compounding. Compounding is basically pharmacies making their own generic. You can't sell generic medications until the branded medication's patent expires. Unless there is a shortage, at which point exceptions can be made. But there is no longer a shortage.
I understand the gist of what’s happening. I’m asking about a rule or reg that was issued or expired or what’s happening legally and when?
Anonymous
03/15/2025 18:20
Subject: Are the compounds still available or not?
It is still available. I just ordered more tirz (6 month supply). I use less than the prescription because I am losing while microdosing, so it should last me a year or more.
Anonymous
03/15/2025 17:57
Subject: Are the compounds still available or not?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I really wonder what will happen to everyone on them now. I am, but was considering stopping bc of exhaustion and minimal weight loss. For many though, it's been amazing, truly a life saver. It's criminal to force people to either suffer or spend thousands they do not have when there is a cheap solution.
No, it's not criminal. It's actually going to be criminal to knock off the patented formula through compounding, thereby robbing Lilly and Novo of deserved profits that they earned by investing in and developing life changing, miraculous drugs. People don't deserve access to the drug for free. If that were actually policy, we wouldn't be getting such incredible innovations because there wouldn't be a financial incentive for companies (and brilliant people) to develop them. Compounders don't get to keep ripping off the pharmaceutical companies who own the patents now that there is ample supply to go around, to those who will pay for it. It's like anything else. A company invents something awesome and you want it? Buy it. Don't complain that it's criminal for the company to charge so much for a product they invented.
Eli Lilly sells the same medication for a fraction of the price in Europe, they are intentionally ripping off Americans due to our pharmaceutical laws here and lack of regulation. It is disgusting.
I have been on compounded tirz for about eight months and lost 50 pounds. I stockpiled a lot, but I am probably going to go gray because I don’t want to go off of an entire entirely.
The pricing model was part of the analysis of how much to spend developing the drugs in the first place. One would think anybody reasonably educated would realize that.
Also, you are complaining about the actual regulatory frame work in the form of the FDA in combination with patent law. So there are regulations. You just don’t like them.
Do you work for free anywhere I can go?
Anonymous
03/15/2025 17:43
Subject: Are the compounds still available or not?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I really wonder what will happen to everyone on them now. I am, but was considering stopping bc of exhaustion and minimal weight loss. For many though, it's been amazing, truly a life saver. It's criminal to force people to either suffer or spend thousands they do not have when there is a cheap solution.
No, it's not criminal. It's actually going to be criminal to knock off the patented formula through compounding, thereby robbing Lilly and Novo of deserved profits that they earned by investing in and developing life changing, miraculous drugs. People don't deserve access to the drug for free. If that were actually policy, we wouldn't be getting such incredible innovations because there wouldn't be a financial incentive for companies (and brilliant people) to develop them. Compounders don't get to keep ripping off the pharmaceutical companies who own the patents now that there is ample supply to go around, to those who will pay for it. It's like anything else. A company invents something awesome and you want it? Buy it. Don't complain that it's criminal for the company to charge so much for a product they invented.
Eli Lilly sells the same medication for a fraction of the price in Europe, they are intentionally ripping off Americans due to our pharmaceutical laws here and lack of regulation. It is disgusting.
I have been on compounded tirz for about eight months and lost 50 pounds. I stockpiled a lot, but I am probably going to go gray because I don’t want to go off of an entire entirely.
Anonymous
03/15/2025 17:40
Subject: Are the compounds still available or not?
Compounds will always be available to those who can afford the cash price.
Anonymous
03/15/2025 17:16
Subject: Are the compounds still available or not?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I think at least some of the compounders will try to find a way around the restriction.
But if they don’t - can you imagine the Oscars next year? They are going to look like a reunion special for The Whale.
There is no way around the restriction. Some compounders made noise for awhile about adding vitamins to make it "different" but they knew full well that wouldn't fly legally, they just thought they might gain a few months of sales making that argument. They've all dropped it.
Not sure why on earth you think Hollywood stars would suddenly gain weight; I'm sure they have access to branded medication.
All those actresses who went from 120 lb to 100 lbs over the last few years are taking legitimate medication prescribed for diabetes from a legit doctor? All the dudes who went from 175 to 155? Seems unlikely.
No, they are taking legitimate medications prescribed by physicians who have license to do so (but not necessarily morals) for an off label purpose.
Anonymous
03/15/2025 17:08
Subject: Are the compounds still available or not?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I really wonder what will happen to everyone on them now. I am, but was considering stopping bc of exhaustion and minimal weight loss. For many though, it's been amazing, truly a life saver. It's criminal to force people to either suffer or spend thousands they do not have when there is a cheap solution.
No, it's not criminal. It's actually going to be criminal to knock off the patented formula through compounding, thereby robbing Lilly and Novo of deserved profits that they earned by investing in and developing life changing, miraculous drugs. People don't deserve access to the drug for free. If that were actually policy, we wouldn't be getting such incredible innovations because there wouldn't be a financial incentive for companies (and brilliant people) to develop them. Compounders don't get to keep ripping off the pharmaceutical companies who own the patents now that there is ample supply to go around, to those who will pay for it. It's like anything else. A company invents something awesome and you want it? Buy it. Don't complain that it's criminal for the company to charge so much for a product they invented.
Not necessarily true. That argument is arguably bs.
But yeah -- patent law is the heart of the issue here and compounders continuing to manufacture semaglutide while Wegovy is on patent is what would be illegal.
Let’s hear your proposed alternative that doesn’t involve people working for free.
As for the patents here, this is not an evergreening situation where the branded companies have come up with elaborate ways to extend term through their portfolio. All the original compound patents are the barrier. That’s life in the big city.
And no, it’s definitely not criminal for people to simply live the human experience and figure out how to live in a world of endless energy availability with intense food drive.
Anonymous
03/15/2025 17:08
Subject: Are the compounds still available or not?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I think at least some of the compounders will try to find a way around the restriction.
But if they don’t - can you imagine the Oscars next year? They are going to look like a reunion special for The Whale.
There is no way around the restriction. Some compounders made noise for awhile about adding vitamins to make it "different" but they knew full well that wouldn't fly legally, they just thought they might gain a few months of sales making that argument. They've all dropped it.
Not sure why on earth you think Hollywood stars would suddenly gain weight; I'm sure they have access to branded medication.
All those actresses who went from 120 lb to 100 lbs over the last few years are taking legitimate medication prescribed for diabetes from a legit doctor? All the dudes who went from 175 to 155? Seems unlikely.
Anonymous
03/15/2025 15:41
Subject: Are the compounds still available or not?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I really wonder what will happen to everyone on them now. I am, but was considering stopping bc of exhaustion and minimal weight loss. For many though, it's been amazing, truly a life saver. It's criminal to force people to either suffer or spend thousands they do not have when there is a cheap solution.
No, it's not criminal. It's actually going to be criminal to knock off the patented formula through compounding, thereby robbing Lilly and Novo of deserved profits that they earned by investing in and developing life changing, miraculous drugs. People don't deserve access to the drug for free. If that were actually policy, we wouldn't be getting such incredible innovations because there wouldn't be a financial incentive for companies (and brilliant people) to develop them. Compounders don't get to keep ripping off the pharmaceutical companies who own the patents now that there is ample supply to go around, to those who will pay for it. It's like anything else. A company invents something awesome and you want it? Buy it. Don't complain that it's criminal for the company to charge so much for a product they invented.
Not necessarily true. That argument is arguably bs.
But yeah -- patent law is the heart of the issue here and compounders continuing to manufacture semaglutide while Wegovy is on patent is what would be illegal.
Anonymous
03/15/2025 15:38
Subject: Re:Are the compounds still available or not?
Anonymous wrote:can someone point to the rule or reg that is ending or stopping - or tell me what is actually happening?
So many threads on this. So much all over the internet. Just look it up.
The short of it is: patent law. Wegovy is on patent. Compounded semaglutide was only allowed during a shortage. No shortage, no compounding. Compounding is basically pharmacies making their own generic. You can't sell generic medications until the branded medication's patent expires. Unless there is a shortage, at which point exceptions can be made. But there is no longer a shortage.
Anonymous
03/15/2025 15:36
Subject: Are the compounds still available or not?
Anonymous wrote:I think at least some of the compounders will try to find a way around the restriction.
But if they don’t - can you imagine the Oscars next year? They are going to look like a reunion special for The Whale.
There is no way around the restriction. Some compounders made noise for awhile about adding vitamins to make it "different" but they knew full well that wouldn't fly legally, they just thought they might gain a few months of sales making that argument. They've all dropped it.
Not sure why on earth you think Hollywood stars would suddenly gain weight; I'm sure they have access to branded medication.