Anonymous wrote:What about on the boys side?

Barely anyone.

The landscape is changing rapidly. For some schools the roster cap limits the total number of players but court decisions expands the number of possible scholarships. Ivy League opted out so no scholarships for sports. In addition, with nil, there is the possibility of being paid a salary or other compensation. This is different at every school how it will be handled.

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Anonymous wrote:My DD had the choice of UChicago, Wash U, Emory, Carnegie Mellon and Wesleyan from playing ECNL soccer. Yes, all D3, and yes, all worth the effort.

not worth the effort. at all.

Look, by the time your DD gets to college, you will have paid more than the total cost of the college tuition for an in state school just for the club soccer and travel costs. Middle school and high school is seven years at approximately $20k per year. Gas, travel, hotels, team fees uniforms, etc. There is no right or wrong course of action and it depends on your expectations. Even if you get some or a full ride, it doesn’t pay for itself.

Now if you consider the experience and what it provides you in life long learning, it may be worth it. Operative word is may. There is no guarantee for anything in life. You get out of it what you put into it.

I’ve heard many complain that they gave up their childhood for practices and everything else. So far for us it’s been both challenging and rewarding. We can only hope for the best going forward. Maybe it meets expectations maybe it doesn’t, but so far there are no regrets.

As the previous poster said, there are at least 30-40 D1 commits every year from NOVA. Arlington, MCLEAN, Vda, LS, TSJ and soon also VRSC will turn out at least this number. This only references girls side.

Anonymous wrote:What about the new rule that allows a player to go the Junior College route and not lose eligibility? Am I correct in understanding this new rule?

Seems like the landscape of getting into a 4-year college situation will be limited to those who are ready, while others might need to consider a slightly longer path including a graduate degree worth of eligibility. I personally as a parent went he route of Junior College and haven't suffered a single bit from graduating from the top Public School in the Nation with the same degree as all those who went there 4 years. The benefit of having 2 extra years of eligiblity for potentially a grad degree seems astronomically more beneficial than even getting into a Div1 program as a freshmen.

Don’t forget, 50%+ of any collegiate team are going to be international students.

What about the new rule that allows a player to go the Junior College route and not lose eligibility? Am I correct in understanding this new rule?

Seems like the landscape of getting into a 4-year college situation will be limited to those who are ready, while others might need to consider a slightly longer path including a graduate degree worth of eligibility. I personally as a parent went he route of Junior College and haven't suffered a single bit from graduating from the top Public School in the Nation with the same degree as all those who went there 4 years. The benefit of having 2 extra years of eligiblity for potentially a grad degree seems astronomically more beneficial than even getting into a Div1 program as a freshmen.

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Anonymous wrote:About 30-40 players from all NOVA girls clubs go d1. Includes ECNL and ga. Expect that number to gradually increase by 3-4 players per year.

You mean decrease. With roster caps, transfer portal etc. it's getting harder, not easier to make a roster out of HS.

For boys, each year it seems to get more difficult for several reasons to get a roster spot on a D1 school.

The first is the new rule instituted by NCAA limiting all D1 Men Soccer teams to 28. Last season, there were about 205 D1 Soccer Programs with an average size of 32.5 players for a total of 6,663 roster spots. Previously, roster size were unlimited for schools; coaches could make recruiting decisions and roster size dependent on their team need. But, next season, those same schools with the NCAA rule change limiting rosters to 28 will only have 5,740 roster spots. That reduces the number of roster spots for D1 Men Soccer by 923 players or about 14%. It also means that coaches have to be much more selective on the freshmen who they wish to develop.

The second reason is that D1 schools are recruiting more than ever from the internal pool of players. D1 rosters are now comprised of 30-80% of international players. Many times these international players are older and more developed physically by a year or two. For instance, "In Division I, the recent final between Vermont and Marshall showcased just how significant this shift has become. An astonishing 73% of the starters in that game were international players from countries such as Germany, Japan, and Brazil. Marshall’s squad of 28 players included only three Americans, a statistic that underscores how international talent is redefining the game at the collegiate level." https://www.selectgeneration.com/blog-post/the-impact-of-international-players-on-u-s-college-soccer-how-theyre-changing-the-game

Lastly, with the changes in transfer students, D1 programs are more likely to fill out their rosters with players from D2 and D3 schools. With less roster spots to develop freshmen/sophomore American players and the need to win "now", D1 college coaches are looking at older players with a proven track record. They are recruiting players from smaller D1 programs or from the D2/D3 ranks of players.

If the goal of your boy is to play D1 soccer, that's great and good luck. But maybe have a fall back plan.

It might be better if they play football or basketball.

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Anonymous wrote:About 30-40 players from all NOVA girls clubs go d1. Includes ECNL and ga. Expect that number to gradually increase by 3-4 players per year.

You mean decrease. With roster caps, transfer portal etc. it's getting harder, not easier to make a roster out of HS.

For boys, each year it seems to get more difficult for several reasons to get a roster spot on a D1 school.

The first is the new rule instituted by NCAA limiting all D1 Men Soccer teams to 28. Last season, there were about 205 D1 Soccer Programs with an average size of 32.5 players for a total of 6,663 roster spots. Previously, roster size were unlimited for schools; coaches could make recruiting decisions and roster size dependent on their team need. But, next season, those same schools with the NCAA rule change limiting rosters to 28 will only have 5,740 roster spots. That reduces the number of roster spots for D1 Men Soccer by 923 players or about 14%. It also means that coaches have to be much more selective on the freshmen who they wish to develop.

The second reason is that D1 schools are recruiting more than ever from the internal pool of players. D1 rosters are now comprised of 30-80% of international players. Many times these international players are older and more developed physically by a year or two. For instance, "In Division I, the recent final between Vermont and Marshall showcased just how significant this shift has become. An astonishing 73% of the starters in that game were international players from countries such as Germany, Japan, and Brazil. Marshall’s squad of 28 players included only three Americans, a statistic that underscores how international talent is redefining the game at the collegiate level." https://www.selectgeneration.com/blog-post/the-impact-of-international-players-on-u-s-college-soccer-how-theyre-changing-the-game

Lastly, with the changes in transfer students, D1 programs are more likely to fill out their rosters with players from D2 and D3 schools. With less roster spots to develop freshmen/sophomore American players and the need to win "now", D1 college coaches are looking at older players with a proven track record. They are recruiting players from smaller D1 programs or from the D2/D3 ranks of players.

If the goal of your boy is to play D1 soccer, that's great and good luck. But maybe have a fall back plan.

It might be better if they play football or basketball.

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Anonymous wrote:About 30-40 players from all NOVA girls clubs go d1. Includes ECNL and ga. Expect that number to gradually increase by 3-4 players per year.

You mean decrease. With roster caps, transfer portal etc. it's getting harder, not easier to make a roster out of HS.

+1

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Anonymous wrote:About 30-40 players from all NOVA girls clubs go d1. Includes ECNL and ga. Expect that number to gradually increase by 3-4 players per year.

You mean decrease. With roster caps, transfer portal etc. it's getting harder, not easier to make a roster out of HS.

For boys, each year it seems to get more difficult for several reasons to get a roster spot on a D1 school.

The first is the new rule instituted by NCAA limiting all D1 Men Soccer teams to 28. Last season, there were about 205 D1 Soccer Programs with an average size of 32.5 players for a total of 6,663 roster spots. Previously, roster size were unlimited for schools; coaches could make recruiting decisions and roster size dependent on their team need. But, next season, those same schools with the NCAA rule change limiting rosters to 28 will only have 5,740 roster spots. That reduces the number of roster spots for D1 Men Soccer by 923 players or about 14%. It also means that coaches have to be much more selective on the freshmen who they wish to develop.

The second reason is that D1 schools are recruiting more than ever from the internal pool of players. D1 rosters are now comprised of 30-80% of international players. Many times these international players are older and more developed physically by a year or two. For instance, "In Division I, the recent final between Vermont and Marshall showcased just how significant this shift has become. An astonishing 73% of the starters in that game were international players from countries such as Germany, Japan, and Brazil. Marshall’s squad of 28 players included only three Americans, a statistic that underscores how international talent is redefining the game at the collegiate level." https://www.selectgeneration.com/blog-post/the-impact-of-international-players-on-u-s-college-soccer-how-theyre-changing-the-game

Lastly, with the changes in transfer students, D1 programs are more likely to fill out their rosters with players from D2 and D3 schools. With less roster spots to develop freshmen/sophomore American players and the need to win "now", D1 college coaches are looking at older players with a proven track record. They are recruiting players from smaller D1 programs or from the D2/D3 ranks of players.

FWIW, Our ECNL club has seven D1 commits on the boys side for 2025 grads. Only one is a higher tier school. The rest are mid to lower competiveness and/or academics. Very few ECNL boys get recruited to power 5 schools. I would agree with a prior poster that using soccer to get into a D3 high academic school would be a better use of the soccer talent in a lot of cases.

Anonymous wrote:Does anyone know roughly what percentage of NOVA players actually get selected for a D1 soccer team? Does that percentage differ between boys and girls? Are ECNL girl players and MLSNext players nearly guaranteed a D1 spot?

I'm trying to understand the likelihood of this happening and why we're all killing ourselves driving to the ends of the earth and sinking so much time into this soccer thing. My child loves playing soccer, but they aren't much interested in attending D2 or D3 schools when they know they can get into a top D1 school based on academics and test scores.

Being D1 just means the school is larger and plays in certain athletic conferences. It says nothing about the academics of the school. There are many D1 schools I wouldn't consider sending my kid based on academics, even if they could play soccer there. There are D3 schools with top academics. It all depends on what your kid is looking for. Other than maybe 1 kid every 5 years, all of them will not be playing soccer after college.

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Anonymous wrote:My DD had the choice of UChicago, Wash U, Emory, Carnegie Mellon and Wesleyan from playing ECNL soccer. Yes, all D3, and yes, all worth the effort.

not worth the effort. at all.

You would be wrong. Those are lottery pick schools. Meaning if you are fully qualified with scores, grades, ECs, and recs you maybe a 1 in 4 chance of getting in. Soccer puts you in before the lottery takes place.

100%

This IS the end game for many. College admissions is not what it used to be. Soccer gives you the edge to get in

Anonymous wrote:About 30-40 players from all NOVA girls clubs go d1. Includes ECNL and ga. Expect that number to gradually increase by 3-4 players per year.

You mean decrease. With roster caps, transfer portal etc. it's getting harder, not easier to make a roster out of HS.

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone know roughly what percentage of NOVA players actually get selected for a D1 soccer team? Does that percentage differ between boys and girls? Are ECNL girl players and MLSNext players nearly guaranteed a D1 spot?

I'm trying to understand the likelihood of this happening and why we're all killing ourselves driving to the ends of the earth and sinking so much time into this soccer thing. My child loves playing soccer, but they aren't much interested in attending D2 or D3 schools when they know they can get into a top D1 school based on academics and test scores.

2 DD's in d1 soccer schools. One player ECNL, one was ECNL/GA. Every single person on their teams got a spot playing soccer. 3 -5 went d3/Ivy.

So then it's not that rare?

On most of the girls ECNL teams, every player was recruited to play soccer D1 - D3. Around here the distribution seems to be 1-3 at top soccer schools, 1-3 at top 25ish D1 schools, 1-5 at high academic D-3s, and the rest spread from mid-major D1s to D3s.

Anonymous wrote:Just check the list put out by the clubs. There are alway one or two well known and or hard to get in to schools. This is what the clubs sell.

Now look at the vast majority of schools on the list. Most of the kids could have gotten in without playing soccer.

As for how many of the boys/girls from each team ends up playing in college. This depends on your definition of “playing”, boys or girls side and how well the team does. Use to be if your kid’s team did well at national level most of the starters would end up “playing” in college. After that it is hit or miss.

Now in the past 2-3 years the landscape has changed because of the college portal and foreign players. Coaches are using the portal to get proven players and it is still evolving. Some coach really like foreign players for the same reason. This has reduced the number of high school players getting offers.

In 2-3 years it will look totally different vs today.

Agree with most of this but not the bolded. Ivys, top 40ish schools and/or high academic d3s are tough to get into so I don't think those were a given.