RIF takes time to formulate ranking orders. That’s why things appear quiet. You better believe every agency is putting together lists.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:But there have been two big victories with today’s supreme court ruling and lower court regarding probationary fires. Call me naive but I think the wrecking ball is being slowed.

No, merely diverted.
So OPM finally acknowledges it cannot legally do these firings and other BS it's been doing. That just means T's appointed agency heads will be directly ordered and expected to do it.

I think PP is correct that it is being slowed, though. They are now being pushed to do things with some forethought and legally. RIFs with percentage reductions (versus whole sections), while painful, at least are slower, generally more considered, and have some payouts/benefits to people laid off.

I honestly am not sure which is better though from a morale standpoint. In some ways, I would like to just rip the band aid off and know what my future looks like versus waiting months to see how everything plays out. It's not fun either way.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:But there have been two big victories with today’s supreme court ruling and lower court regarding probationary fires. Call me naive but I think the wrecking ball is being slowed.

No, merely diverted.
So OPM finally acknowledges it cannot legally do these firings and other BS it's been doing. That just means T's appointed agency heads will be directly ordered and expected to do it.

I think PP is correct that it is being slowed, though. They are now being pushed to do things with some forethought and legally. RIFs with percentage reductions (versus whole sections), while painful, at least are slower, generally more considered, and have some payouts/benefits to people laid off.

Tell that to the GSA. Entire divisions axed and people laid off with no consideration of veteran's prefs, tenure etc. Happening at other places as well.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:But there have been two big victories with today’s supreme court ruling and lower court regarding probationary fires. Call me naive but I think the wrecking ball is being slowed.

No, merely diverted.
So OPM finally acknowledges it cannot legally do these firings and other BS it's been doing. That just means T's appointed agency heads will be directly ordered and expected to do it.

I think PP is correct that it is being slowed, though. They are now being pushed to do things with some forethought and legally. RIFs with percentage reductions (versus whole sections), while painful, at least are slower, generally more considered, and have some payouts/benefits to people laid off.

Is this a DOGIE taking the pulse and temperature of the workforce?

Anonymous wrote:But there have been two big victories with today’s supreme court ruling and lower court regarding probationary fires. Call me naive but I think the wrecking ball is being slowed.

No, merely diverted.
So OPM finally acknowledges it cannot legally do these firings and other BS it's been doing. That just means T's appointed agency heads will be directly ordered and expected to do it.

No. We managed to avoid most of the panic the past two weeks. This week the eye of Sauron passed over us. Our Trump appointed agency head obviously bent the knee and this resulted in make work exercises trickling down and causing panic.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:But there have been two big victories with today’s supreme court ruling and lower court regarding probationary fires. Call me naive but I think the wrecking ball is being slowed.

Your read is incorrect.

Even though the ruling says it was illegal doesn’t mean the workers will be reinstated, or that firing will slow. They will just find another way. They are angry and vengeful.

No, just starting with my agency. It’s not good.

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Anonymous wrote:But there have been two big victories with today’s supreme court ruling and lower court regarding probationary fires. Call me naive but I think the wrecking ball is being slowed.

They are just now leaving it up to the agencies as direction cannot come from OPM. They still have the ability to conduct a RIF, it will just be a slower, more dragged out process that the hasty illegal firings that have been taking place.

I don't think that really changes anything. It's pretty clear that Trump/Musk want to significantly cut the workforce so this just means that Musk/DOGE/Vought communicate what they want to Trump who tells his cabinet heads what to do and they do it. The only thing this does is slightly elongates the sequence of communications.

Are you joking OP? It's chaos personified.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:But there have been two big victories with today’s supreme court ruling and lower court regarding probationary fires. Call me naive but I think the wrecking ball is being slowed.

Your read is incorrect.

why is your read better?

One example. An article came out last night about the plan being put in place about cutting the IRS workforce in half. Read the room.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:But there have been two big victories with today’s supreme court ruling and lower court regarding probationary fires. Call me naive but I think the wrecking ball is being slowed.

Your read is incorrect.

why is your read better?

Anonymous wrote:But there have been two big victories with today’s supreme court ruling and lower court regarding probationary fires. Call me naive but I think the wrecking ball is being slowed.

Your read is incorrect.

NOOOOOOOO