Anonymous
02/12/2025 18:57
Subject: STEM brain drain from USA, where to go?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:In the meantime STEM folks from Europe can't wait to move here
Why the hell would they want to come here.
Because you don’t get paid crap in europe. I’m from Germany on a work visa and make double what I would make in Germany and pay half as much in housing and have a much much better quality of life.
Do you understand?
At this point it isn't about salaries. That's the least people should be concerned about. It's more about whether or not you want to live under an authoritarian fascist state. The USA is about to hit have free elections anymore at the rate it is going.
Anonymous
02/12/2025 18:46
Subject: STEM brain drain from USA, where to go?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:In the meantime STEM folks from Europe can't wait to move here
Why the hell would they want to come here.
Because you don’t get paid crap in europe. I’m from Germany on a work visa and make double what I would make in Germany and pay half as much in housing and have a much much better quality of life.
well that is a helpful perspective.
Anonymous
02/12/2025 18:43
Subject: STEM brain drain from USA, where to go?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:In the meantime STEM folks from Europe can't wait to move here
Why the hell would they want to come here.
Because you don’t get paid crap in europe. I’m from Germany on a work visa and make double what I would make in Germany and pay half as much in housing and have a much much better quality of life.
Anonymous
02/12/2025 18:41
Subject: STEM brain drain from USA, where to go?
Anonymous wrote:I never get these posts as someone not from the US. Do you think there is no discontent elsewhere? You can get a very cheap education in the US. If you are fully employed you likely have health insurance benefits. You also seem to be well-paid and mention countries that pay much less. How will YOUR life actually improve? This makes sense for people actually deeply affected by Trump, and there are many, but all the countries you mention have their own issues, and you don't seem to have any need to move.
Go back to your vodka, comrade
Anonymous
02/12/2025 18:35
Subject: STEM brain drain from USA, where to go?
Anonymous wrote:These countries are not easy to move to without a job. I don’t understand why Americans think they can just move to another country.
Because people move here all the time. What these dreamers are not seeing is all the people who tried to get here and couldn’t, for whatever reason.
Anonymous
02/12/2025 18:26
Subject: STEM brain drain from USA, where to go?
hi if you are unemployed what is a good country to go to? looking for minimum $100k salary in USD and open to various roles (manager, finance, HR, etc.) thank you.
Anonymous
02/12/2025 16:35
Subject: Re:STEM brain drain from USA, where to go?
Anonymous wrote:"In the list of the world’s biggest pharmaceutical companies by market capitalization, 13 out of the top 100 are in the Basel Area, including Swiss companies Roche at number 6, and Novartis at number 8.
Top 40
Johnson & Johnson, R&D branch
Roche, Global HQs
Novartis, Global HQs
Regeneron Pharmaceuticals, Branch Office
CSL Seqirus, Branch Office
Zoetis, Branch Office
Lonza, Global HQs
Moderna, European Office
Top 60
Bayer, HQ Consumer Health
Celltrion, Branch Office
BioNTech, Branch Office
BeiGene, European HQs
Sandoz Group, Global HQs
Neurocrine, Branch Office
Dr. Reddy’s, Branch Office
Top 100
Recordati, Branch Office
Swedish Orphan Biovitrum, Branch Office
Roivant Sciences, European HQs
Abbott India, Abbott Laboratories GmbH, Abbott Products Operations AG in Allschwil
Bachem, Global HQs
WuXi Biologics, Domain partner BaseLaunch
Elanco, European HQs
If you're in pharma, biotech, or life sciences it's a no-brainer to try for Basel. And the government is supportive of these companies bringing in specialized foreign talent.
https://baselarea.swiss/blog-post/biotech-companies-wing-their-way-to-the-basel-area/
+10000
Thank you so much. Will get started on researching this asap.
Anonymous
02/12/2025 16:31
Subject: Re:STEM brain drain from USA, where to go?
"In the list of the world’s biggest pharmaceutical companies by market capitalization, 13 out of the top 100 are in the Basel Area, including Swiss companies Roche at number 6, and Novartis at number 8.
Top 40
Johnson & Johnson, R&D branch
Roche, Global HQs
Novartis, Global HQs
Regeneron Pharmaceuticals, Branch Office
CSL Seqirus, Branch Office
Zoetis, Branch Office
Lonza, Global HQs
Moderna, European Office
Top 60
Bayer, HQ Consumer Health
Celltrion, Branch Office
BioNTech, Branch Office
BeiGene, European HQs
Sandoz Group, Global HQs
Neurocrine, Branch Office
Dr. Reddy’s, Branch Office
Top 100
Recordati, Branch Office
Swedish Orphan Biovitrum, Branch Office
Roivant Sciences, European HQs
Abbott India, Abbott Laboratories GmbH, Abbott Products Operations AG in Allschwil
Bachem, Global HQs
WuXi Biologics, Domain partner BaseLaunch
Elanco, European HQs
If you're in pharma, biotech, or life sciences it's a no-brainer to try for Basel. And the government is supportive of these companies bringing in specialized foreign talent.
https://baselarea.swiss/blog-post/biotech-companies-wing-their-way-to-the-basel-area/
Top 40
Johnson & Johnson, R&D branch
Roche, Global HQs
Novartis, Global HQs
Regeneron Pharmaceuticals, Branch Office
CSL Seqirus, Branch Office
Zoetis, Branch Office
Lonza, Global HQs
Moderna, European Office
Top 60
Bayer, HQ Consumer Health
Celltrion, Branch Office
BioNTech, Branch Office
BeiGene, European HQs
Sandoz Group, Global HQs
Neurocrine, Branch Office
Dr. Reddy’s, Branch Office
Top 100
Recordati, Branch Office
Swedish Orphan Biovitrum, Branch Office
Roivant Sciences, European HQs
Abbott India, Abbott Laboratories GmbH, Abbott Products Operations AG in Allschwil
Bachem, Global HQs
WuXi Biologics, Domain partner BaseLaunch
Elanco, European HQs
If you're in pharma, biotech, or life sciences it's a no-brainer to try for Basel. And the government is supportive of these companies bringing in specialized foreign talent.
https://baselarea.swiss/blog-post/biotech-companies-wing-their-way-to-the-basel-area/
Anonymous
02/12/2025 14:41
Subject: STEM brain drain from USA, where to go?
Anonymous wrote:These countries are not easy to move to without a job. I don’t understand why Americans think they can just move to another country.
It's not just schulbs off the street. We are talking about PhDs, in STEM, trained at some of the best universities in the world, who also have years of experience developing highly valuable products in tech.
European countries can pick up this talent for pennies on the dollar right now if they want major boosts to their economy. Americans can bring massive expertise in very valuable fields. What's left in the US? A technocratic take over run by AI and the tech bros who want to drive the country into the ground? Awful healthcare and terrible education for your kids? There will be no more ecosystem left to develop talent in the US because they're cutting research grants and decimating universities. They're destroying it on purpose. Quoting Bible passages and raging about wokism and trans in sports isn't going to make blockbuster drugs in the future.
Basel sounds really good right about now.
Anonymous
02/12/2025 14:40
Subject: STEM brain drain from USA, where to go?
At least the US lets people depart freely.
In communist China, someone working there needs an Exit Visa to leave China - and they are not automatically given.
In communist China, someone working there needs an Exit Visa to leave China - and they are not automatically given.
Anonymous
02/12/2025 14:28
Subject: STEM brain drain from USA, where to go?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:If you want to be at the vanguard, I’d say China. But that’s not what you wanted to hear.
There are many people considering China now. They are dumping huge amounts of money into STEM and provide table funding. Yeah, they don't have the best government either, but many are being attracted more and more by their stable funding environment and world class research that is catching up and even eclipsing the US now.
That’s a bit of an understatement.
Anonymous
02/12/2025 14:27
Subject: STEM brain drain from USA, where to go?
These countries are not easy to move to without a job. I don’t understand why Americans think they can just move to another country.
Anonymous
02/12/2025 14:20
Subject: STEM brain drain from USA, where to go?
Italy. Buy the $1 homes, put in another 100K to fix it. Then work remote or live on SS. I would do that if I was White.
Anonymous
02/12/2025 14:18
Subject: STEM brain drain from USA, where to go?
Basel is incredible and full of international ex-pat pharma workers. If you can get a job there, go for it! Great city, standard of living is insanely high, and significantly cheaper than Zurich and Geneva. The pharma companies sponsor thousands of visas per year from all over the world.
Anonymous
02/12/2025 14:16
Subject: STEM brain drain from USA, where to go?
Anonymous wrote:Long story short, there is an unprecedented attack on everything from education to funding of science in the USA. Gutting of regulations and govt instituons is not going help. I'm just done with the USA experiment that now appears to be over. From unaffordable to healthcare to unaffordable education to now what is looking like a complete take over by Christitan nationalists who went to return the country to a low education, low information society, I think it is time to leave. Europe, Japan, Singapore,....where is a good place to look abroad for new opportunity? This is the world's chance to pickup highly trained experts from the USA with years of experience for pennies on the dollar.
I have years of experience in the drug industry dealing with development from the bench to the market. I know tons about international regs and standards. Is Switzerland a solid choice if all you can speak is English? I see Singapore uses English for business, but I've never heard of too much biotech there. UK is an obvious choice, but salaries are low and housing costs are high. Where else to pursue? I just think STEM in the US is pretty much over and the US being a world technical powerhouse is done. Countries should be trying to pickup massive talent from the US while they can. It would be massive booms for their economies.
Would love Japan too, but the language is impenetrable. I just want out.
I think you need to focus on places where your specific experience would be valued. Australia would be a great option but not sure there’s much drug development going on there. You obviously need to think about the trade offs. You mentioned the UK but say salaries are lower and housing costs are higher. You need to think about what negatives you are willing to accept.