Anonymous
02/05/2025 16:00
Subject: What is T20
So did no one come from the Times leadership thread, where Emory ranked higher than Rice, Vandy, WashU etc. Yet is left off here, instead NYU?, USC?, UTA!!??, and Bucknell!!!??? Are!!
Anonymous
02/05/2025 15:32
Subject: What is T20
Anonymous wrote:T15 is easy, T20 is hotly debated.
T15 is the ivy-plus schools which is a defined group in various studies, Ivies plus MIT Stanford Duke Chicago, plus the only other schools that have been in the top 10 almost every single year the past decade, Caltech, JohnsHopkins, Northwestern.
The final 5 of the T20 is five of these seven:
WashU Vanderbilt Rice UCB Georgetown CarnegieMellon Notre Dame.
Of these, the only ones consistently in the T20 for the last five years or so is Vanderbilt and Rice.
Anonymous
02/05/2025 15:31
Subject: Re:What is T20
Anonymous wrote:The idea of a numbered ranking for schools was popularized by USNWR, whose ranking is still by far the most influential. But they themselves distinguish between universities with national draw (national universities), LACs with national draw (national LACs), regional universities, and regional colleges. So they and people in academia usually specify the category when citing rank. The most well known are the national universities, though the smaller national liberal arts colleges as a category are similarly regarded for undergrad study, even if a bit less selective. USNWR themselves state their list is intended as an input to the college search and not the sole determinant.
This is what I thought National Rankings versus Regional was but I looked it up last year and it said it has more to do with research.
This is what AI told me today:
National Universities:
Consider doctoral universities, which are aligned with the Carnegie Classification of Institutions of Higher Education
Use up to 17 key measures of academic quality
Include four indicators related to faculty research
Regional Universities:
Consider regional universities and regional colleges
Use 13 indicators for regional universities and regional colleges
Split into four regions: North, South, Midwest, and West
Focus on undergraduate education
Anonymous
02/05/2025 15:26
Subject: What is T20
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I see a lot here, googled it couldn't find any consistent answer.
Let me preface this by saying it really depends on your major but...
HYPSM
Harvard
Yale
Princeton
Stanford
MIT
The Rest of Ivy+
Columbia
Penn
Brown
Bucknell
Cornell
Dartmouth
Chicago
Duke
Northwestern
Carnegie Mellon
Johns Hopkins
Caltech
Washington U St. Louis
Rice
Vanderbilt
SLACs
Williams
Amherst
Swarthmore
Pomona
Public Ivies
Michigan
UVA
Cal
UCLA
UTA
Other Elite schools
Notre Dame
NYU
USC
Bucknell? NFW not elite
Anonymous
02/05/2025 15:24
Subject: What is T20
Anonymous wrote:I thought Georgetown was considered T20. Is it not? I'm being serious. DH went to Georgetown and thinks of it as a T20 school...
It *was* T20 when I went (in the 80s) but dropped out years ago. I'm the biggest GU booster there is, but sorry - no.
Anonymous
02/05/2025 15:21
Subject: What is T20
T15 is easy, T20 is hotly debated.
T15 is the ivy-plus schools which is a defined group in various studies, Ivies plus MIT Stanford Duke Chicago, plus the only other schools that have been in the top 10 almost every single year the past decade, Caltech, JohnsHopkins, Northwestern.
The final 5 of the T20 is five of these seven:
WashU Vanderbilt Rice UCB Georgetown CarnegieMellon Notre Dame.
T15 is the ivy-plus schools which is a defined group in various studies, Ivies plus MIT Stanford Duke Chicago, plus the only other schools that have been in the top 10 almost every single year the past decade, Caltech, JohnsHopkins, Northwestern.
The final 5 of the T20 is five of these seven:
WashU Vanderbilt Rice UCB Georgetown CarnegieMellon Notre Dame.
Anonymous
02/05/2025 14:39
Subject: What is T20
Anonymous wrote:I thought Georgetown was considered T20. Is it not? I'm being serious. DH went to Georgetown and thinks of it as a T20 school...
Its not. Its struggling financially.
Its T25/T30.
Anonymous
02/05/2025 14:38
Subject: What is T20
I thought Georgetown was considered T20. Is it not? I'm being serious. DH went to Georgetown and thinks of it as a T20 school...
Anonymous
02/05/2025 14:38
Subject: What is T20
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It usually means the US News list, OP.
However, U.S. News does not provide a general ranking of undergraduate schools.
Correct, and T20 is generally understood to mean "US News top 20 national universities" and exclude liberal arts schools, however excellent.
Not by USNWR, who always report the category, but maybe by people at universities who shudder to think their rank would be lower if actually talking about undergrad education. It’s funny how universities get their own undergrad teaching list so they don’t look bad, but LACs are included in the undergrad research list. Tells those paying attention a great deal.
Anonymous
02/05/2025 14:25
Subject: What is T20
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Let me preface this by saying it really depends on your major but...Anonymous wrote:I see a lot here, googled it couldn't find any consistent answer.
HYPSM
Harvard
Yale
Princeton
Stanford
MIT
The Rest of Ivy+
Columbia
Penn
Brown
Bucknell -- pipeline to The Street!
Cornell
Dartmouth
Chicago
Duke
Northwestern
Carnegie Mellon
Johns Hopkins
Caltech
Washington U St. Louis
Rice
Vanderbilt
SLACs
Williams
Amherst
Swarthmore
Pomona
Public Ivies
Michigan
UVA
Cal
UCLA
UTA
Other Elite schools
Notre Dame
NYU
USC
Classic Bucknell booster… include the top 4 ranked LACs then skip to #31 and hope no one notices when it’s put in the wrong section.
The main takeaway from this thread is be wary of Bucknell supporters.
Anonymous
02/05/2025 14:19
Subject: What is T20
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It usually means the US News list, OP.
However, U.S. News does not provide a general ranking of undergraduate schools.
Correct, and T20 is generally understood to mean "US News top 20 national universities" and exclude liberal arts schools, however excellent.
Anonymous
02/05/2025 14:06
Subject: What is T20
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I see a lot here, googled it couldn't find any consistent answer.
Let me preface this by saying it really depends on your major but...
HYPSM
Harvard
Yale
Princeton
Stanford
MIT
The Rest of Ivy+
Columbia
Penn
Brown
Bucknell
Cornell
Dartmouth
Chicago
Duke
Northwestern
Carnegie Mellon
Johns Hopkins
Caltech
Washington U St. Louis
Rice
Vanderbilt
SLACs
Williams
Amherst
Swarthmore
Pomona
Public Ivies
Michigan
UVA
Cal
UCLA
UTA
Other Elite schools
Notre Dame
NYU
USC
Only a Bucknell goofball would propose this.
OP, stick with what USNWR themselves say. Not what wannabe armchair experts say. Understand what drives the appeal for of each major category are. For publics, it’s cost. For LACs, it’s undergrad focus. For private unis, it’s exclusivity.
LMFAO at "USNWR themselves"...
Anonymous
02/05/2025 13:58
Subject: What is T20
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I see a lot here, googled it couldn't find any consistent answer.
Let me preface this by saying it really depends on your major but...
HYPSM
Harvard
Yale
Princeton
Stanford
MIT
The Rest of Ivy+
Columbia
Penn
Brown
Bucknell
Cornell
Dartmouth
Chicago
Duke
Northwestern
Carnegie Mellon
Johns Hopkins
Caltech
Washington U St. Louis
Rice
Vanderbilt
SLACs
Williams
Amherst
Swarthmore
Pomona
Public Ivies
Michigan
UVA
Cal
UCLA
UTA
Other Elite schools
Notre Dame
NYU
USC
Only a Bucknell goofball would propose this.
OP, stick with what USNWR themselves say. Not what wannabe armchair experts say. Understand what drives the appeal for of each major category are. For publics, it’s cost. For LACs, it’s undergrad focus. For private unis, it’s exclusivity.
Anonymous
02/05/2025 13:55
Subject: What is T20
Some Southerners might put Emory on the list
Anonymous
02/05/2025 13:52
Subject: What is T20
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I see a lot here, googled it couldn't find any consistent answer.
Let me preface this by saying it really depends on your major but...
HYPSM
Harvard
Yale
Princeton
Stanford
MIT
The Rest of Ivy+
Columbia
Penn
Brown
Bucknell
Cornell
Dartmouth
Chicago
Duke
Northwestern
Carnegie Mellon
Johns Hopkins
Caltech
Washington U St. Louis
Rice
Vanderbilt
SLACs
Williams
Amherst
Swarthmore
Pomona
Public Ivies
Michigan
UVA
Cal
UCLA
UTA
Other Elite schools
Notre Dame
NYU
USC
Pretty stupid list... UT Austin...really?