Anonymous
01/27/2025 16:01
Subject: New OPM Memo on RTO Implementation — CBAs
Anonymous wrote:If Trump issues an order for me to shoot my supervisor, should I wait until it's litigated, or do it and then let it be litigated?
Wait for Amanda to write the memo telling you to pull the trigger by COB Friday.
Anonymous
01/27/2025 16:00
Subject: New OPM Memo on RTO Implementation — CBAs
If Trump issues an order for me to shoot my supervisor, should I wait until it's litigated, or do it and then let it be litigated?
Anonymous
01/27/2025 15:58
Subject: New OPM Memo on RTO Implementation — CBAs
Anonymous wrote:I think the goal is to tee up a case to SCOTUS so they can either invalidate CBAs or otherwise declare that it’s unconstitutional for federal employees to join a union. We might be allowed to telework under existing CBAs throughout the course of the litigation, but Trump is hoping conservative judges/justices come through for him.
This is what’s happening.
Anonymous
01/27/2025 15:56
Subject: New OPM Memo on RTO Implementation — CBAs
This is all totally crazy. Just let us do our jobs like we have been.
Anonymous
01/27/2025 15:54
Subject: New OPM Memo on RTO Implementation — CBAs
I think the goal is to tee up a case to SCOTUS so they can either invalidate CBAs or otherwise declare that it’s unconstitutional for federal employees to join a union. We might be allowed to telework under existing CBAs throughout the course of the litigation, but Trump is hoping conservative judges/justices come through for him.
Anonymous
01/27/2025 15:46
Subject: New OPM Memo on RTO Implementation — CBAs
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Are there any decent law firm memos on this that anyone is aware of? I find those the most helpful in summarizing an issue.
Google is your friend
To be honest I don't know anything about that area of law so I wouldn't be able to differentiate a good memo from a sh*tty one so was hoping someone here had more knowledge of this area than me. I saw the one article about CBA breaches being litigated in court, another one somewhere else about them needing to be arbitrated.
Call the union that represents your bargaining unit then. You don’t have to be a member to speak to them.
I am definitely a member and proudly support my union, I just didn't want to bother them with a hypothetical question that hasn't even happened yet. I can ask them and see what they know.
Anonymous
01/27/2025 15:43
Subject: New OPM Memo on RTO Implementation — CBAs
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Are there any decent law firm memos on this that anyone is aware of? I find those the most helpful in summarizing an issue.
Google is your friend
To be honest I don't know anything about that area of law so I wouldn't be able to differentiate a good memo from a sh*tty one so was hoping someone here had more knowledge of this area than me. I saw the one article about CBA breaches being litigated in court, another one somewhere else about them needing to be arbitrated.
Call the union that represents your bargaining unit then. You don’t have to be a member to speak to them.
Anonymous
01/27/2025 15:42
Subject: New OPM Memo on RTO Implementation — CBAs
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Are there any decent law firm memos on this that anyone is aware of? I find those the most helpful in summarizing an issue.
Google is your friend
To be honest I don't know anything about that area of law so I wouldn't be able to differentiate a good memo from a sh*tty one so was hoping someone here had more knowledge of this area than me. I saw the one article about CBA breaches being litigated in court, another one somewhere else about them needing to be arbitrated.
Anonymous
01/27/2025 15:38
Subject: New OPM Memo on RTO Implementation — CBAs
Anonymous wrote:Are there any decent law firm memos on this that anyone is aware of? I find those the most helpful in summarizing an issue.
Google is your friend
Anonymous
01/27/2025 15:37
Subject: New OPM Memo on RTO Implementation — CBAs
Are there any decent law firm memos on this that anyone is aware of? I find those the most helpful in summarizing an issue.
Anonymous
01/27/2025 15:36
Subject: Re:New OPM Memo on RTO Implementation — CBAs
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Unless the CBA is vague, the bargaining history behind a duly bargained and ratified contract between the parties is none of OPM’s f@cking business. Especially since Dump wasn’t even President when this took place.
The problem with this argument is one of the Party's in now Trump. So it is in fact his business.
Trump is not king. A CEO is still bound by contracts his organization entered under his predecessor. A president is the same.
Anonymous
01/27/2025 15:34
Subject: Re:New OPM Memo on RTO Implementation — CBAs
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Unless the CBA is vague, the bargaining history behind a duly bargained and ratified contract between the parties is none of OPM’s f@cking business. Especially since Dump wasn’t even President when this took place.
The problem with this argument is one of the Party's in now Trump. So it is in fact his business.
Presidents are not parties to CBAs.
Anonymous
01/27/2025 15:31
Subject: Re:New OPM Memo on RTO Implementation — CBAs
Anonymous wrote:Unless the CBA is vague, the bargaining history behind a duly bargained and ratified contract between the parties is none of OPM’s f@cking business. Especially since Dump wasn’t even President when this took place.
The problem with this argument is one of the Party's in now Trump. So it is in fact his business.
Anonymous
01/27/2025 15:27
Subject: Re:New OPM Memo on RTO Implementation — CBAs
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Unless the CBA is vague, the bargaining history behind a duly bargained and ratified contract between the parties is none of OPM’s f@cking business. Especially since Dump wasn’t even President when this took place.
You’re right, of course. But the Republicans have been teeing up an argument that the SSA telework agreement is an invalid sweetheart deal because O’Malley wanted the union’s support for his DNC run. They’ve argued more broadly that the Biden admin was generous about telework for the same reasons.
That will be totally irrelevant in court, but it’s what they’re going with.
They will lose multiple times in court as hundreds of lawsuits are filed and it will be too much for their pea brains. There is a lot of bravado now to play to the idiot MAGA base, but I don’t think they will ultimately be able to follow through on most of this.
Anonymous
01/27/2025 15:22
Subject: Re:New OPM Memo on RTO Implementation — CBAs
Anonymous wrote:Unless the CBA is vague, the bargaining history behind a duly bargained and ratified contract between the parties is none of OPM’s f@cking business. Especially since Dump wasn’t even President when this took place.
You’re right, of course. But the Republicans have been teeing up an argument that the SSA telework agreement is an invalid sweetheart deal because O’Malley wanted the union’s support for his DNC run. They’ve argued more broadly that the Biden admin was generous about telework for the same reasons.
That will be totally irrelevant in court, but it’s what they’re going with.