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We all now know without doubt that alcohol shortens your life. So yes, if you hope someone dies sooner rather than later, definitely gift them some good alcohol.

No, there is literally no study that has ever said that alcohol shortens your life. I cannot believe the inability of regular people to read and think critically. And you don't even have to be beyond average intelligence to correctly interpret the articles, the studies, even the surgeon general's latest stance. Nobody, anywhere, ever said what you're saying. Please don't go through life jumping to conclusions like this and then turning around and judging everybody who doesn't act the way you think they should, especially when it's based on your quite erroneous misunderstanding of very accessible data.

Anonymous wrote:Do you ever give out Halloween candy with Red Dye 40, high fructose corn syrup, emulsifiers or other chemicals? Do you give gifts of chocolates that have chemical ingredients? All of that stuff has links to cancer.

Those kids come and get it from people's houses. I don't take it to their houses. If their parents don't like these ingredients, the parents make alternative arrangements.

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Anonymous wrote:I am a recovering alcoholic but don’t advertise it. Wine is a perfectly normal/fine gift. I will serve it/provide wine and beer at parties. I don’t drink but I don’t expect others to stop (including my husband). It’s fine, I don’t need or want a fuss made about it.

You know, it's okay to say "this isn't good for me, let's not". I'm recovered enough that I can buy/serve/gift wine, too... until I'm not. Slippery slope, and nobody who cares about your sobriety would expect this of you. You say you "don't advertise it", which is an interesting way of saying you're closeted.

I didn't tell people when I first got sober because I was worried I'd relapse and disappoint them. Guess what I did?

Gentle nudge to continue unpacking that shame. Maybe redo your 4th and review your process for your 10th? Sometimes we owe amends to ourselves...

PP here — You know, we are all different. This is not a problem for me and I am not an AA person.

I am not closeted. If anyone asks I will tell them, and of course my friends know. but nothing is more annoying than a recovering alcoholic who goes around telling everyone the talking points from quit lit. They all remember the former me and it would sound pretty rich from that source.

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Anonymous wrote:
We all now know without doubt that alcohol shortens your life. So yes, if you hope someone dies sooner rather than later, definitely gift them some good alcohol.

What COVID, MAHA, and now this whole
kerfuffle about alcohol has really made obvious is that scientific education is seriously lacking. People are following the science without actually knowing what the science says.

For example, alcohol hasn’t been shown to shorten your life, certainly not without a doubt.

Interesting attempt to drag big issue buzzwords into the argument, but it fails.

Science hasn't shown alcohol to lengthen or improve your life. At all. Because it doesn't.

Anonymous wrote:I am a recovering alcoholic but don’t advertise it. Wine is a perfectly normal/fine gift. I will serve it/provide wine and beer at parties. I don’t drink but I don’t expect others to stop (including my husband). It’s fine, I don’t need or want a fuss made about it.

You know, it's okay to say "this isn't good for me, let's not". I'm recovered enough that I can buy/serve/gift wine, too... until I'm not. Slippery slope, and nobody who cares about your sobriety would expect this of you. You say you "don't advertise it", which is an interesting way of saying you're closeted.

I didn't tell people when I first got sober because I was worried I'd relapse and disappoint them. Guess what I did?

Gentle nudge to continue unpacking that shame. Maybe redo your 4th and review your process for your 10th? Sometimes we owe amends to ourselves...

I am a recovering alcoholic but don’t advertise it. Wine is a perfectly normal/fine gift. I will serve it/provide wine and beer at parties. I don’t drink but I don’t expect others to stop (including my husband). It’s fine, I don’t need or want a fuss made about it.

Anonymous wrote:
We all now know without doubt that alcohol shortens your life. So yes, if you hope someone dies sooner rather than later, definitely gift them some good alcohol.

What COVID, MAHA, and now this whole
kerfuffle about alcohol has really made obvious is that scientific education is seriously lacking. People are following the science without actually knowing what the science says.

For example, alcohol hasn’t been shown to shorten your life, certainly not without a doubt.

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Anonymous wrote:Alcohol is a lazy gift, tbh. Unless you know the person really likes and rarely has a certain kind of high-quality alcohol, whatever red you picked up on the way, last-minute, is a poor gift.

And if the only thing you know about the person is "I heard you like drinking!" well... you're either in your early 20s or you need to find some sober friends.

No, a bottle of wine is a completely normal gift.

For/from an alcoholic, sure. Otherwise, it's a lazy gift that requires no thought about what the recipient likes or who they are beyond "a person who drinks". If that's not your identity, the point stands.

DP it's both lazy and normal. It's generally considered acceptable and that's exactly what makes it a lazy gift. In no way does it imply the giver is alcoholic. In fact the giver may be a non drinker who is regifting.

I agree that it's lazy and normal and will continue to be! Although as someone cutting back for my health I'm going to try hard to come up with different hostess gifts. There have been great threads on DCUM about these. Hoping to hear more creative ideas (on those same threads, please!) for the new "temperance" era. haha. As if.

PP I think that's fair. Consumable gifts carry all kinds of issues (allergies, special diets, person trying to lose weight). And alcohol could certainly be a trigger for many (even someone you have seen drink before could be cutting down, trying dry January, pregnant, or on a new medication). I don't judge anyone for giving alcohol as it is a fairly normal mainstream gift, though, but as someone who does not enjoy alcohol, it's great when people make the effort to get something else.

Doesn’t change a thing. You’re a moron if you didn’t know this earth shattering news in the first place.

Do you ever give out Halloween candy with Red Dye 40, high fructose corn syrup, emulsifiers or other chemicals? Do you give gifts of chocolates that have chemical ingredients? All of that stuff has links to cancer.

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We all now know without doubt that alcohol shortens your life. So yes, if you hope someone dies sooner rather than later, definitely gift them some good alcohol.

We do not know any such thing. We know that alcohol consumption is not a health advantage and may increase your odds of getting diseases that end your life earlier than it would have otherwise. That is not the same as “knowing without doubt that alcohol shortens your life.”

I do not give gifts of alcohol.

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Anonymous wrote:Alcohol is a lazy gift, tbh. Unless you know the person really likes and rarely has a certain kind of high-quality alcohol, whatever red you picked up on the way, last-minute, is a poor gift.

And if the only thing you know about the person is "I heard you like drinking!" well... you're either in your early 20s or you need to find some sober friends.

No, a bottle of wine is a completely normal gift.

For/from an alcoholic, sure. Otherwise, it's a lazy gift that requires no thought about what the recipient likes or who they are beyond "a person who drinks". If that's not your identity, the point stands.

DP it's both lazy and normal. It's generally considered acceptable and that's exactly what makes it a lazy gift. In no way does it imply the giver is alcoholic. In fact the giver may be a non drinker who is regifting.

I agree that it's lazy and normal and will continue to be! Although as someone cutting back for my health I'm going to try hard to come up with different hostess gifts. There have been great threads on DCUM about these. Hoping to hear more creative ideas (on those same threads, please!) for the new "temperance" era. haha. As if.

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Anonymous wrote:Alcohol is a lazy gift, tbh. Unless you know the person really likes and rarely has a certain kind of high-quality alcohol, whatever red you picked up on the way, last-minute, is a poor gift.

And if the only thing you know about the person is "I heard you like drinking!" well... you're either in your early 20s or you need to find some sober friends.

No, a bottle of wine is a completely normal gift.

For/from an alcoholic, sure. Otherwise, it's a lazy gift that requires no thought about what the recipient likes or who they are beyond "a person who drinks". If that's not your identity, the point stands.

My identity is Chanel but feel free to get my a bottle of wine instead.

The temperance union is on overdrive on dcum these days. Nice angle for a post to give you another platform to post your hyperbole.

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Anonymous wrote:Alcohol is a lazy gift, tbh. Unless you know the person really likes and rarely has a certain kind of high-quality alcohol, whatever red you picked up on the way, last-minute, is a poor gift.

And if the only thing you know about the person is "I heard you like drinking!" well... you're either in your early 20s or you need to find some sober friends.

No, a bottle of wine is a completely normal gift.

For/from an alcoholic, sure. Otherwise, it's a lazy gift that requires no thought about what the recipient likes or who they are beyond "a person who drinks". If that's not your identity, the point stands.

DP it's both lazy and normal. It's generally considered acceptable and that's exactly what makes it a lazy gift. In no way does it imply the giver is alcoholic. In fact the giver may be a non drinker who is regifting.