Anonymous
Post 01/02/2025 23:36     Subject: Re:Is it unfair to describe this as cheating?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Is the student SPED or have a 504 plan? It might not be cheating.


Not currently and nothing in the past on record with us.

I am curious though: Why wouldn’t that be cheating? I’ve taught many students with IEPs and 504s without ever seeing an accommodation that allowed surreptitiously changing answers after grading. Is that an accommodation for some students?


There was no surreptition.

Now it looks like you are just bullying a child because you don't know how your own computer system is designed to work. You're embarrassing yourself both anonymously here and in real life to the child, parent, admin, and IT staff.

However, students not on IEPs are expected "be the adult in the room" and deal with technologocally illiterate teachers and inconsistent adult instruction more than students on IEPs.



NP.

Remember: the child is always the victim. Especially a child who’s gotten a documented “disabled” diagnosis.
Anonymous
Post 01/02/2025 22:51     Subject: Is it unfair to describe this as cheating?
Anonymous wrote:I now have to photocopy all 147 math tests after I grade them/before I hand them back. Such a time suck/waste of paper, but the number of kids (nearly always “honors”) who see the feedback and then add something in the margin and try to tell me I “didn’t see it” when I graded it made it a necessity.

Now when a kid does it I immediately write the referral for cheating, submit the photocopy and the doctored test, and the kid gets detention and removed from honor society.

I love my admin. They take cheating seriously.

I’m sorry you’re dealing with this. I hate when parents fight policy so much


Wow! Good for you and your administration, but wow that cheating is so common (and so dumb and easily caught) at your school!
Anonymous
Post 01/02/2025 22:26     Subject: Is it unfair to describe this as cheating?
I now have to photocopy all 147 math tests after I grade them/before I hand them back. Such a time suck/waste of paper, but the number of kids (nearly always “honors”) who see the feedback and then add something in the margin and try to tell me I “didn’t see it” when I graded it made it a necessity.

Now when a kid does it I immediately write the referral for cheating, submit the photocopy and the doctored test, and the kid gets detention and removed from honor society.

I love my admin. They take cheating seriously.

I’m sorry you’re dealing with this. I hate when parents fight policy so much
Anonymous
Post 01/02/2025 22:08     Subject: Re:Is it unfair to describe this as cheating?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Is the student SPED or have a 504 plan? It might not be cheating.


Not currently and nothing in the past on record with us.

I am curious though: Why wouldn’t that be cheating? I’ve taught many students with IEPs and 504s without ever seeing an accommodation that allowed surreptitiously changing answers after grading. Is that an accommodation for some students?


There was no surreptition.

Now it looks like you are just bullying a child because you don't know how your own computer system is designed to work. You're embarrassing yourself both anonymously here and in real life to the child, parent, admin, and IT staff.

However, students not on IEPs are expected "be the adult in the room" and deal with technologocally illiterate teachers and inconsistent adult instruction more than students on IEPs.


The only one embarrassing themselves is you. Are you really saying that it’s okay to cheat “because the computer lets you?” Ever hear of honor codes? Are you the idiot that sees $ 1,000 accidentally put in their bank account and goes out and spends it…because the computer let you? You know that’s a crime right? The lack of critical thinking coupled with the entitlement is breathtaking.
Anonymous
Post 01/02/2025 21:57     Subject: Re:Is it unfair to describe this as cheating?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Is the student SPED or have a 504 plan? It might not be cheating.


Not currently and nothing in the past on record with us.

I am curious though: Why wouldn’t that be cheating? I’ve taught many students with IEPs and 504s without ever seeing an accommodation that allowed surreptitiously changing answers after grading. Is that an accommodation for some students?


There was no surreptition.

Now it looks like you are just bullying a child because you don't know how your own computer system is designed to work. You're embarrassing yourself both anonymously here and in real life to the child, parent, admin, and IT staff.

However, students not on IEPs are expected "be the adult in the room" and deal with technologocally illiterate teachers and inconsistent adult instruction more than students on IEPs.


Looks like we found the parent of the cheater!!! There are these amazing new things they call a SYLLABUS! You’ll never believe what they contain! They talk explicitly about grading expectations and assignments. The cheater knew exactly what they did wrong. Otherwise, gosh, this would happen all.the.time. But it doesn’t because most kids aren’t cheaters - or at least too stupid to cheat like this. OP, you should not be questioning yourself over this.
Anonymous
Post 01/02/2025 21:46     Subject: Is it unfair to describe this as cheating?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:A student changed answers after the graded work was returned. The parent challenged the score based on the altered grades. I told the parent the answers were edited and I refused to change the grade. The parent involved my department head, a counselor, and an administrator. I got our IT staffer involved and he proved with time stamps that the answers were edited after I graded. Now, the parent wants the term cheating stricken from all records of the incident.

Is it unfair to describe changing answers after grading as cheating?


Could be a simple miscommunication.

Nothing you described is cheating.

You can't call it cheating when the kid used a tool that you gave him to do his work. He didn't erase his paper and change it and lie about it. He logged in and did work in the system that timestamps submissions.

You're crazy to fight this. Be glad you have an auditable system.


DP. The bolded sounds to me like exactly what he did. But yes, the system should not allow that type of editing after work is graded.
Anonymous
Post 01/02/2025 21:45     Subject: Re:Is it unfair to describe this as cheating?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Is the student SPED or have a 504 plan? It might not be cheating.


Not currently and nothing in the past on record with us.

I am curious though: Why wouldn’t that be cheating? I’ve taught many students with IEPs and 504s without ever seeing an accommodation that allowed surreptitiously changing answers after grading. Is that an accommodation for some students?


There was no surreptition.

Now it looks like you are just bullying a child because you don't know how your own computer system is designed to work. You're embarrassing yourself both anonymously here and in real life to the child, parent, admin, and IT staff.

However, students not on IEPs are expected "be the adult in the room" and deal with technologocally illiterate teachers and inconsistent adult instruction more than students on IEPs.
Anonymous
Post 01/02/2025 21:41     Subject: Is it unfair to describe this as cheating?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:May or may not be cheating. Could be a late submission, depending on the assignment.


I see your point, but we have a policy that an assignment can be edited and resubmitted up multiple times until the teacher grades it. After the teacher grades it, edits are not allowed. The student changed the answers a long time after the assignment was graded.


Edits ARE allowed.

Proof: YOUR SYSTEM offered the chance to submit edits, and then your SYSTEM accepted his proposed edits, as it was explicitly programmed to do.

Is this kid your paid IT Staff? No.

Did he hack the system? No.
Anonymous
Post 01/02/2025 21:39     Subject: Is it unfair to describe this as cheating?
Anonymous wrote:A student changed answers after the graded work was returned. The parent challenged the score based on the altered grades. I told the parent the answers were edited and I refused to change the grade. The parent involved my department head, a counselor, and an administrator. I got our IT staffer involved and he proved with time stamps that the answers were edited after I graded. Now, the parent wants the term cheating stricken from all records of the incident.

Is it unfair to describe changing answers after grading as cheating?


Could be a simple miscommunication.

Nothing you described is cheating.

You can't call it cheating when the kid used a tool that you gave him to do his work. He didn't erase his paper and change it and lie about it. He logged in and did work in the system that timestamps submissions.

You're crazy to fight this. Be glad you have an auditable system.
Anonymous
Post 01/02/2025 21:35     Subject: Is it unfair to describe this as cheating?
I would call it cheating. But agree with other PP to do whatever your admin insists. You’re right, but it’s not worth your energy to keep fighting this fight. But I would call that cheating.
Anonymous
Post 01/02/2025 21:24     Subject: Re:Is it unfair to describe this as cheating?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Is the student SPED or have a 504 plan? It might not be cheating.


Larlo gets depressed if he doesn't get straights As, so he needs an answer key and the ability to change the answers after they've been graded!


So being an even bigger AH is your New Year’s resolution?
Anonymous
Post 01/02/2025 21:13     Subject: Re:Is it unfair to describe this as cheating?
Anonymous wrote:Is the student SPED or have a 504 plan? It might not be cheating.


Larlo gets depressed if he doesn't get straights As, so he needs an answer key and the ability to change the answers after they've been graded!
Anonymous
Post 01/02/2025 21:02     Subject: Is it unfair to describe this as cheating?
I’d say the kid was trying to lie to an overbearing parent and it got out hand when the parent contacted you. Yes, it’s cheating, but I have some empathy for the student, too. I’d rope in the guidance counselor as a condition to striking the event from the record, if that’s possible at this school.
Anonymous
Post 01/02/2025 20:56     Subject: Re:Is it unfair to describe this as cheating?
Anonymous wrote:Is the student SPED or have a 504 plan? It might not be cheating.


Agree with OP: why do you ask this question?
Anonymous
Post 01/02/2025 20:53     Subject: Is it unfair to describe this as cheating?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:A student changed answers after the graded work was returned. The parent challenged the score based on the altered grades. I told the parent the answers were edited and I refused to change the grade. The parent involved my department head, a counselor, and an administrator. I got our IT staffer involved and he proved with time stamps that the answers were edited after I graded. Now, the parent wants the term cheating stricken from all records of the incident.

Is it unfair to describe changing answers after grading as cheating?


With a parent like that? It doesn't matter if there's mention of cheating in the record or not. The child is cooked

IOW, I wouldn't worry too much about it. Do whatever your department head says and move on. That poor kid is stuck with that parent forever.


Thank you. That’s the mindset I need to adopt.


+1 this is a parent issue. It doesn’t even sound like the child was pushing for the grade change, the parent was. So then the kids in the bad position of telling their parents to back down.