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Anonymous wrote:Big argument on twitter the last few days. Elon says there is a CS and engineer shortage so we need more H 1 B. Many people chiming in that their recent tech grad kids can’t get jobs.

The shortage Elon is concerned about is a shortage of experienced high-level folks — not entry-level cs grads.

Exactly . Cs and all engineering from top schools(ivies , stanford, MIT, hopkins cmu and a couple others) are in high demand: these schools produce highly technically skilled plus able to write and lead, and think on their feet. Cs hiring slowdown is most dramatic outside the elite schools.

Almost everyone across the board struggled with CS recruiting these past two years. I know the parents on this board are obsessed with prestige, but no, MIT grads also struggle to get software jobs. It’s a lot more competitive than it used to be. I just recently graduated from Harvard and quite a few of my CS friends do not have jobs. Entry level is violently competitive.

Odd choice of words for a Harvard grad.

Why in the world is a recent Harvard grad hanging around and commenting on the DCUM college page? Aren’t you like 22 years old? How depressing…

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Anonymous wrote:Big argument on twitter the last few days. Elon says there is a CS and engineer shortage so we need more H 1 B. Many people chiming in that their recent tech grad kids can’t get jobs.

The shortage Elon is concerned about is a shortage of experienced high-level folks — not entry-level cs grads.

Exactly . Cs and all engineering from top schools(ivies , stanford, MIT, hopkins cmu and a couple others) are in high demand: these schools produce highly technically skilled plus able to write and lead, and think on their feet. Cs hiring slowdown is most dramatic outside the elite schools.

Almost everyone across the board struggled with CS recruiting these past two years. I know the parents on this board are obsessed with prestige, but no, MIT grads also struggle to get software jobs. It’s a lot more competitive than it used to be. I just recently graduated from Harvard and quite a few of my CS friends do not have jobs. Entry level is violently competitive.

Odd choice of words for a Harvard grad.

It's not PC to say the quiet part out loud, but the truth is Americans are getting squeezed out of CS jobs. The H-1B replacements are largely Indian (South Asian). They get these H-1B jobs by hook and by crook. Many of them can't do the work which requires high intelligence, deep knowledge and talent. The Indians who've reached management status often don't want to hire non-Indians.

This area has a strong high tech industry, so we have a front seat view of this transformation.

Imagine, in the shadow of the U.S. government, non-Americans are getting preference for well-paid American jobs, over highly skilled, highly intelligent Americans. The remaining highly skilled employees have to clean up after the H-1B immigrants in many instances, because they are not as capable as the Americans they're replacing.

Notwithstanding autistic Elon Musk who can't and won't get it, Congress needs to address what is happening in this lucrative sector of the work space.

Wow. Reading through - you guys paint a bleak future.

CS Jobs turned into Data Science Jobs; CS is a known field - back in the 1990s you hired a dude with an MS in CS to build a website. Now you need a 9 year old with his hand-me down laptop.

Yes. ML is taking over a lot of jobs but that is an opportunity in the new segment. You will need to build new industries around this productivity.

What did you guys think would happen to: Tower Records, Moto-Photo, and Blockbuster? a few CS majors took a lot of costly work and gave it to us as a low subscription cost. 1 Blockbuster video tape was how much per night? And we complain Netflix is how much?

A few Data Science majors will take a lot of: content creation like animation, movie production, special effects or QA jobs or manual labor like mowing your lawn. There is a shortage here and Elon wants to backfill it before China, Japan, India, Brazil, etc. Whoever dominates here will become the next silicon valley. If H1-B is where he gets the backfill thats what he does. If you don't dominate you'll see kids going overseas for good jobs. We are still living on the fumes from the: Greatest Generation. They gave us the country in the best position possible and we squandered it. Elon sees this and hence the "mediocrity" comments. And I'm not a Elon fanboy.

This is like the 1990s where CS is emerging and people still went to school for Engineering and then got a CS job. Just follow the employment page to see the future.

Anonymous wrote:CS is a very transparent field, and I don’t know why this is always a shock to people. Some nice tech (or straight gimmick) comes out- immediate reaction: we are going to be the game changers and society is going to explode. Mass over speculation of companies hardly doing much at all with promises of improvements that aren’t going to happen. Hiring boom and constant attempts to take competitor’s talent. Promises are not kept and the technology doesn’t actually accelerate as fast as young CEOs say it will
Uh oh, bust and people lose their jobs. This is our 3rd go around, and people are still surprised.

x2. This goes in cycles and will continue to do so. This cycle might be over in 3-5 years and hiring will begin anew. I've always felt people in tech/science need a second degree (biz/law/specialized masters) to make themselves more valuable/diversified. My older son is getting a CS+CE BS/MS strictly out of interest but I think that gives him more opportunities for gigs. We'll see, I could be wrong.

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Anonymous wrote:Big argument on twitter the last few days. Elon says there is a CS and engineer shortage so we need more H 1 B. Many people chiming in that their recent tech grad kids can’t get jobs.

The shortage Elon is concerned about is a shortage of experienced high-level folks — not entry-level cs grads.

Wrong. He’s looking for ditch diggers, just doesn’t like market rate. These aren’t careers, the goal is to replenish with new exploitable workers routinely.
The reality of CS is it’s mostly grunt work, theory ends at graduation. The US is overproducing CS degrees.

Would we be “over producing” them if we stopped importing so many CS workers?

Anonymous wrote:Big argument on twitter the last few days. Elon says there is a CS and engineer shortage so we need more H 1 B. Many people chiming in that their recent tech grad kids can’t get jobs.

exactly

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Anonymous wrote:Big argument on twitter the last few days. Elon says there is a CS and engineer shortage so we need more H 1 B. Many people chiming in that their recent tech grad kids can’t get jobs.

The shortage Elon is concerned about is a shortage of experienced high-level folks — not entry-level cs grads.

Wrong. He’s looking for ditch diggers, just doesn’t like market rate. These aren’t careers, the goal is to replenish with new exploitable workers routinely.
The reality of CS is it’s mostly grunt work, theory ends at graduation. The US is overproducing CS degrees.

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Anonymous wrote:Big argument on twitter the last few days. Elon says there is a CS and engineer shortage so we need more H 1 B. Many people chiming in that their recent tech grad kids can’t get jobs.

The shortage Elon is concerned about is a shortage of experienced high-level folks — not entry-level cs grads.

Exactly . Cs and all engineering from top schools(ivies , stanford, MIT, hopkins cmu and a couple others) are in high demand: these schools produce highly technically skilled plus able to write and lead, and think on their feet. Cs hiring slowdown is most dramatic outside the elite schools.

Almost everyone across the board struggled with CS recruiting these past two years. I know the parents on this board are obsessed with prestige, but no, MIT grads also struggle to get software jobs. It’s a lot more competitive than it used to be. I just recently graduated from Harvard and quite a few of my CS friends do not have jobs. Entry level is violently competitive.

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Anonymous wrote:Big argument on twitter the last few days. Elon says there is a CS and engineer shortage so we need more H 1 B. Many people chiming in that their recent tech grad kids can’t get jobs.

The shortage Elon is concerned about is a shortage of experienced high-level folks — not entry-level cs grads.

Exactly . Cs and all engineering from top schools(ivies , stanford, MIT, hopkins cmu and a couple others) are in high demand: these schools produce highly technically skilled plus able to write and lead, and think on their feet. Cs hiring slowdown is most dramatic outside the elite schools.

Regardless of what happens with visas, the discussion demonstrates how little respect there is for computer scientists. This is not new.

CS is a very transparent field, and I don’t know why this is always a shock to people. Some nice tech (or straight gimmick) comes out- immediate reaction: we are going to be the game changers and society is going to explode. Mass over speculation of companies hardly doing much at all with promises of improvements that aren’t going to happen. Hiring boom and constant attempts to take competitor’s talent. Promises are not kept and the technology doesn’t actually accelerate as fast as young CEOs say it will
Uh oh, bust and people lose their jobs. This is our 3rd go around, and people are still surprised.

The truth: there’s not enough exploitable students who will take wage cuts or poor treatment. Gen Z has been notorious for entering the workforce expecting better treatment than last generations (good!).

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Anonymous wrote:Big argument on twitter the last few days. Elon says there is a CS and engineer shortage so we need more H 1 B. Many people chiming in that their recent tech grad kids can’t get jobs.

The shortage Elon is concerned about is a shortage of experienced high-level folks — not entry-level cs grads.

If you see the reality of H 1 B, it is mostly entry level folks not "experienced high-level folks" - even at Tesla.

If your kid is thinking about CS they must understand what is happening w AI. Google or look for podcasts on Anthropic or Claude. Or ask ChatGpt, haha