Anonymous
Post 12/21/2024 19:42     Subject: Why do teachers allow horribly behaved kids to stay in the classroom and disrupt other kids?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Why the F are you blaming teachers!!!! Do you think we want a kid in our class to threaten to kill us? Or a kid who hits, bites, or spits on us? Do you think we want a kid who is destroying the classroom we use our own money to decorate. Do you really believe we want a kid who is making all the other kids in the class suffer? There is NOTHING we can do.

Blame administrators- principals, special Ed. Directors, and board members who no longer allow kids to be suspended or disciplined. Or block kids from going to special Ed placements. Teachers send kids to the office and they are sent right back to our class often with a treat. We are told to “build a relationship” with the kid who is threatening to kill us or cussing us out or attacking us.


I am a university professor and department head, and I’ve been spat at, cursed at, had things thrown at me, and more this year by a couple of students. There are so many layers of bureaucracy. Everything I do to try and get rid of these students results in legal jumping down my throat, or non-faculty administrators (who have never taught) worrying about optics/legal/process. It is a crisis for these students, a crisis for our society, and a crisis for education. Ugh.


I find this hard to believe you are a university professor who has been spat at and had things thrown at you and campus police or security didn't responds. You might have the student 3-5 hours a week, now picture having the student 30 hours a week. Tell your professor in your college of Education to stop supporting inclusion at all costs, restorative justice for all offenses, rallying against suspensions, etc.


It is true. Campus police said that if the spit had hit me, it’d be battery and they could do something. But since I dodged the spit, I am the only one who has gotten in trouble - for telling the student to get out and home. It is unbelievable.
Anonymous
Post 12/21/2024 19:41     Subject: Why do teachers allow horribly behaved kids to stay in the classroom and disrupt other kids?
Anonymous wrote:The principals and school systems claim it’s the law to allow everyone in the least restrictive environment. So until parents sue to change the law nothing will change.


Good luck changing the law.
Anonymous
Post 12/21/2024 19:23     Subject: Why do teachers allow horribly behaved kids to stay in the classroom and disrupt other kids?
The principals and school systems claim it’s the law to allow everyone in the least restrictive environment. So until parents sue to change the law nothing will change.
Anonymous
Post 12/21/2024 19:18     Subject: Re:Why do teachers allow horribly behaved kids to stay in the classroom and disrupt other kids?
Anonymous wrote:You should complain and copy everybody on the email - all the admin, the grade teachers, superintendent, school social worker. They need to document, document, document for years before anything can be diagnosed. And even then, nearly every child is pushed to be mainstreamed even when the child’s parent is begging for an IEP.

The classroom teacher absolutely cannot do anything to change this.


I forgot to mention:
Give a detailed list with dates and a factual account of what happened. You can also share how your DD felt but focus on facts.

If this is happening daily, send a weekly report to ALL with a list of incidents that week. If you have a likeminded parent in that same class, get that parent to email and call too.
Anonymous
Post 12/21/2024 19:12     Subject: Re:Why do teachers allow horribly behaved kids to stay in the classroom and disrupt other kids?
You should complain and copy everybody on the email - all the admin, the grade teachers, superintendent, school social worker. They need to document, document, document for years before anything can be diagnosed. And even then, nearly every child is pushed to be mainstreamed even when the child’s parent is begging for an IEP.

The classroom teacher absolutely cannot do anything to change this.
Anonymous
Post 12/21/2024 18:40     Subject: Why do teachers allow horribly behaved kids to stay in the classroom and disrupt other kids?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Why the F are you blaming teachers!!!! Do you think we want a kid in our class to threaten to kill us? Or a kid who hits, bites, or spits on us? Do you think we want a kid who is destroying the classroom we use our own money to decorate. Do you really believe we want a kid who is making all the other kids in the class suffer? There is NOTHING we can do.

Blame administrators- principals, special Ed. Directors, and board members who no longer allow kids to be suspended or disciplined. Or block kids from going to special Ed placements. Teachers send kids to the office and they are sent right back to our class often with a treat. We are told to “build a relationship” with the kid who is threatening to kill us or cussing us out or attacking us.


I am a university professor and department head, and I’ve been spat at, cursed at, had things thrown at me, and more this year by a couple of students. There are so many layers of bureaucracy. Everything I do to try and get rid of these students results in legal jumping down my throat, or non-faculty administrators (who have never taught) worrying about optics/legal/process. It is a crisis for these students, a crisis for our society, and a crisis for education. Ugh.


I find this hard to believe you are a university professor who has been spat at and had things thrown at you and campus police or security didn't responds. You might have the student 3-5 hours a week, now picture having the student 30 hours a week. Tell your professor in your college of Education to stop supporting inclusion at all costs, restorative justice for all offenses, rallying against suspensions, etc.
Anonymous
Post 12/21/2024 18:39     Subject: Why do teachers allow horribly behaved kids to stay in the classroom and disrupt other kids?
Anonymous wrote:Do you think it’s the teachers’ decision to keep these kids in their rooms? I had a student in my classroom who destroyed it. I’d say at least a few hundreds of dollars worth of my belongings were destroyed including nearly half of my classroom library, bulletin boards, art supplies, etc. It took months of documentation and a very on board admin to get this student a one on one aid (didn’t help much). The kid ended up in a different program this year.


I had no idea. I’m not a teacher so how am I suppose to know. Whatever the problem is, it has to stop.

We are letting the majority of the class suffer because of one or two struggling students.
Anonymous
Post 12/21/2024 18:30     Subject: Why do teachers allow horribly behaved kids to stay in the classroom and disrupt other kids?
Do you think it’s the teachers’ decision to keep these kids in their rooms? I had a student in my classroom who destroyed it. I’d say at least a few hundreds of dollars worth of my belongings were destroyed including nearly half of my classroom library, bulletin boards, art supplies, etc. It took months of documentation and a very on board admin to get this student a one on one aid (didn’t help much). The kid ended up in a different program this year.
Anonymous
Post 12/21/2024 18:12     Subject: Why do teachers allow horribly behaved kids to stay in the classroom and disrupt other kids?
Blame no child left behind and the least restrictive classroom.

It too has caused a lot of anxiety in my child. My kids see things daily that I never saw in my classrooms growing up.
Anonymous
Post 12/21/2024 18:07     Subject: Re:Why do teachers allow horribly behaved kids to stay in the classroom and disrupt other kids?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:If you’re paying $12k per semester and dealing with this, you can walk. Your school has options - like kicking the kid out. If they don’t, you picked a school that isn’t meeting your child’s needs so pick another one.

In public school, kicking a kid out isn’t an option. And the process that people are talking about applies to public, not private.


Because we all read the original post correctly unlike you


You pay taxes regardless of whether you have a kid in school. And where do people pay $24k per year in taxes?
Anonymous
Post 12/21/2024 18:05     Subject: Re:Why do teachers allow horribly behaved kids to stay in the classroom and disrupt other kids?
Anonymous wrote:If you’re paying $12k per semester and dealing with this, you can walk. Your school has options - like kicking the kid out. If they don’t, you picked a school that isn’t meeting your child’s needs so pick another one.

In public school, kicking a kid out isn’t an option. And the process that people are talking about applies to public, not private.


Because we all read the original post correctly unlike you
Anonymous
Post 12/21/2024 17:58     Subject: Re:Why do teachers allow horribly behaved kids to stay in the classroom and disrupt other kids?
If you’re paying $12k per semester and dealing with this, you can walk. Your school has options - like kicking the kid out. If they don’t, you picked a school that isn’t meeting your child’s needs so pick another one.

In public school, kicking a kid out isn’t an option. And the process that people are talking about applies to public, not private.
Anonymous
Post 12/21/2024 17:50     Subject: Why do teachers allow horribly behaved kids to stay in the classroom and disrupt other kids?
You need to question the teacher and principal about what your kid tells you. Ask teacher and CC the principal. They need a record of wrongdoings before removing the kid from mainstream.

You are helping the teacher out by questioning.
Anonymous
Post 12/21/2024 17:46     Subject: Why do teachers allow horribly behaved kids to stay in the classroom and disrupt other kids?
Anonymous wrote:OP, each spring write a letter to the principal (or whatever format your school uses, our had a google form) saying that your child has anxiety being in a classroom with children with severe behaviors. After one bad experience, we did this each year and never got placed into an inclusion classroom again. This did mean that we often got placed in the EL classroom but that was fine as there were not any severe behaviors and there was a second teacher there. Highly recommend.


Forgot to add. You need to use buzz words like your child “feels unsafe” and “can’t concentrate on learning.” I even would say my child “didn’t want to come to school.” All true by the way, but my school counselor friend helped me write the first one.
Anonymous
Post 12/21/2024 17:42     Subject: Why do teachers allow horribly behaved kids to stay in the classroom and disrupt other kids?
OP, each spring write a letter to the principal (or whatever format your school uses, our had a google form) saying that your child has anxiety being in a classroom with children with severe behaviors. After one bad experience, we did this each year and never got placed into an inclusion classroom again. This did mean that we often got placed in the EL classroom but that was fine as there were not any severe behaviors and there was a second teacher there. Highly recommend.