Anonymous
Post 12/18/2024 15:36     Subject: Suit Accuses Georgetown, Penn and M.I.T. of Admissions Based on Wealth
Anonymous wrote:The full pay pay for the merit and financial aid. How else can you run a place?


You're out of your element, Donnie.
Anonymous
Post 12/18/2024 15:27     Subject: Re:Suit Accuses Georgetown, Penn and M.I.T. of Admissions Based on Wealth
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Not surprising at all - there is a lowered requirement for those kids that does not apply to the rest of the world.


Not sure about Penn and Georgetown, but if you are "unqualified" at MIT you are going to get destroyed. Your life will be miserable. Unlikely you will graduate.

Seeing as almost every person who enters MIT’s halls exits in 4 years, this just isn’t true


"Almost every person" isn't an unqualified rich kid who bought their way in, idiot.

NP. The rich kid isn't necessarily unqualified. Plenty of qualified kids are rejected. Among qualified apps, the decision is made on nonacademic factors.
Anonymous
Post 12/18/2024 15:03     Subject: Suit Accuses Georgetown, Penn and M.I.T. of Admissions Based on Wealth
The full pay pay for the merit and financial aid. How else can you run a place?
Anonymous
Post 12/18/2024 15:03     Subject: Suit Accuses Georgetown, Penn and M.I.T. of Admissions Based on Wealth
Anonymous wrote:Athletes should be next


This lawsuit only covers a sliver in time. The schools no longer collude on aid, so they are free to admit based on wealth
Anonymous
Post 12/18/2024 15:02     Subject: Re:Suit Accuses Georgetown, Penn and M.I.T. of Admissions Based on Wealth
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Not surprising at all - there is a lowered requirement for those kids that does not apply to the rest of the world.


Not sure about Penn and Georgetown, but if you are "unqualified" at MIT you are going to get destroyed. Your life will be miserable. Unlikely you will graduate.

Seeing as almost every person who enters MIT’s halls exits in 4 years, this just isn’t true


"Almost every person" isn't an unqualified rich kid who bought their way in, idiot.
Anonymous
Post 12/18/2024 15:01     Subject: Suit Accuses Georgetown, Penn and M.I.T. of Admissions Based on Wealth
Athletes should be next
Anonymous
Post 12/18/2024 14:56     Subject: Re:Suit Accuses Georgetown, Penn and M.I.T. of Admissions Based on Wealth
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Not surprising at all - there is a lowered requirement for those kids that does not apply to the rest of the world.


Not sure about Penn and Georgetown, but if you are "unqualified" at MIT you are going to get destroyed. Your life will be miserable. Unlikely you will graduate.

Seeing as almost every person who enters MIT’s halls exits in 4 years, this just isn’t true
Anonymous
Post 12/18/2024 14:54     Subject: Re:Suit Accuses Georgetown, Penn and M.I.T. of Admissions Based on Wealth
Anonymous wrote:Not surprising at all - there is a lowered requirement for those kids that does not apply to the rest of the world.


Not sure about Penn and Georgetown, but if you are "unqualified" at MIT you are going to get destroyed. Your life will be miserable. Unlikely you will graduate.
Anonymous
Post 12/18/2024 14:42     Subject: Suit Accuses Georgetown, Penn and M.I.T. of Admissions Based on Wealth
Anonymous wrote:Rich/poor is not a constitutionally protected class. Schools give priority to poor kids (at the expense of middle class kids) - I do not get the objection to admitting rich kids who actually pay full tuition and then some.


This is not full pay. These are people who can donate millions.

I’m fairly certain everyone we know would pay a few hundred if it guaranteed admission to MIT or Penn. I would. That isn’t enough.
Anonymous
Post 12/18/2024 14:41     Subject: Suit Accuses Georgetown, Penn and M.I.T. of Admissions Based on Wealth
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Behind the paywall, what does the article say exactly? Simply demonstrating the admission rate difference among income tiers isn't a good enough argument without controlling for merit factors.


It isn’t a good enough factor, period. It isn’t illegal to favor wealthy people, just as it isn’t illegal to favor low income people.

Glad you know the law better than the law itself!
Anonymous
Post 12/18/2024 14:36     Subject: Suit Accuses Georgetown, Penn and M.I.T. of Admissions Based on Wealth
Anonymous wrote:Rich/poor is not a constitutionally protected class. Schools give priority to poor kids (at the expense of middle class kids) - I do not get the objection to admitting rich kids who actually pay full tuition and then some.


Way to not understand the lawsuit. The schools were taking advantage of an antitrust exemption to share financial aid information. That exemption required that they be need blind.
Anonymous
Post 12/18/2024 14:35     Subject: Suit Accuses Georgetown, Penn and M.I.T. of Admissions Based on Wealth
Anonymous wrote:Behind the paywall, what does the article say exactly? Simply demonstrating the admission rate difference among income tiers isn't a good enough argument without controlling for merit factors.


It isn’t a good enough factor, period. It isn’t illegal to favor wealthy people, just as it isn’t illegal to favor low income people.
Anonymous
Post 12/18/2024 14:33     Subject: Suit Accuses Georgetown, Penn and M.I.T. of Admissions Based on Wealth
Rich/poor is not a constitutionally protected class. Schools give priority to poor kids (at the expense of middle class kids) - I do not get the objection to admitting rich kids who actually pay full tuition and then some.
Anonymous
Post 12/18/2024 14:31     Subject: Suit Accuses Georgetown, Penn and M.I.T. of Admissions Based on Wealth
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Behind the paywall, what does the article say exactly? Simply demonstrating the admission rate difference among income tiers isn't a good enough argument without controlling for merit factors.


They're in discovery now:

"At M.I.T., two children recommended by a wealthy banker with ties to a university board member got special treatment, according to the documents. In a deposition, the school’s director of admissions said the two children, who appeared on a “cases of interest” list, were among those who “we would really have not otherwise admitted.”
...
"Penn’s former associate dean of admissions, Sara Harberson, testified last year in a deposition in the case that a B.S.I. tag meant the student’s family was a big donor or had connections to the board. Those students “were untouchable,” Ms. Harberson said, and “would get in almost 100 percent of the time.”

Ms. Harberson said the admissions office was powerless to deny the student “even if the student was incredibly weak, even if the student had a major issue in the application.”"

Seems like they have more than different rates of admission

Thanks for the additional details. This is something we've already known though. But it's time to take action on this injustice after AA.
Anonymous
Post 12/18/2024 14:31     Subject: Suit Accuses Georgetown, Penn and M.I.T. of Admissions Based on Wealth
Meh, I’ll take a smattering of mediocre students in exchange for a new building or program that will improve the experience of thousands of students.