Anonymous
12/20/2024 03:39
Subject: Math help second grade
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous[b wrote:]I really think that so many parents find multiple strategies difficult speaks to exactly how low American math skills really are. [/b]
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That said, I think most people usually pick a math strategy that works for them and don't really flip between math strategies. My kid is kind of fed up with learning multiple strategies when she has a preferred one she likes best but I've pointed out once she is finished with a unit she can just use her favorite strategy and forget the rest. And in some cases a strategy might not work well when first introduced but makes more sense when it's multiple digits or a more complex problem.
Kids need to learn traditional math. My math kid really struggled with the strategies and did Algebra in 6th as an exit to learning the stragies. Some kids do better with strategies, some do better with traditional teaching so a mix would be good but not having traditional math come Algebra really hurts kids. Its the same debate as how to teach reading - some kids do great with phonics, some with sight reading, some with a mix.
Anonymous
12/20/2024 02:24
Subject: Math help second grade
Anonymous wrote:Do you have an IEP?
You need an IEP.
No, not an iep. We had a meeting with the iep team and they are only willing to try intervention with ela and meet after that again. They said no assistance for math.
Anonymous
12/20/2024 02:22
Subject: Math help second grade
..yes I've used the tip sheetsAnonymous wrote:Schedule a meeting with the teacher to discuss. You can also reach out to the grade level lead and/or Counselor.
Have you used the Eureka math parent Tip sheets?
Are there previous concepts that she is not understanding or mastered?
There are strategies that were too difficult because she cannot do the thinking in regards to numbers as demonstrated on the homework helper pages.
Anonymous
12/19/2024 23:47
Subject: Math help second grade
Anonymous[b wrote:]I really think that so many parents find multiple strategies difficult speaks to exactly how low American math skills really are. [/b]
100%
That said, I think most people usually pick a math strategy that works for them and don't really flip between math strategies. My kid is kind of fed up with learning multiple strategies when she has a preferred one she likes best but I've pointed out once she is finished with a unit she can just use her favorite strategy and forget the rest. And in some cases a strategy might not work well when first introduced but makes more sense when it's multiple digits or a more complex problem.
Anonymous
12/19/2024 23:43
Subject: Math help second grade
I refuse to spend hours on elementary math homework. My kid spends 20 minutes on focused work and if she can't get it done we send it back and tell her math teacher she needs more help learning the underlying concept
Anonymous
12/19/2024 22:36
Subject: Math help second grade
Anonymous
12/19/2024 22:36
Subject: Math help second grade
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Do you have an IEP?
You need an IEP.
? just because the child doesn't understand some math concepts doesn't mean that the child has a SN.
This. It irritates me that ppl just say IEP so casually. I have an autistic son with IEP and am in a world where kids are truly delayed and they have IEPs in place. My older kid struggles with this “new math” as well, but she’s not in need of IEP or 504.
Anonymous
12/19/2024 20:05
Subject: Math help second grade
Is your child using Eureka Math? It is actually based on Singapore Math, which is a way way better version than Eureka. It is based on moving from concrete to pictorial to abstract. In Singapore they have a textbook with worked examples, colorful pictures, and helpful hints. Then they also have a workbook to practice. Eureka skips having a textbook which is absolutely ridiculous.
So if you go to Singapore math dot com it is an American company that sells math books made my publishers from Singapore. Here is a Dimensions Math textbook
https://singapore-math.s3.us-west-2.amazonaws.com/Samples/sp_dmT2A.pdf
And workbook
https://singapore-math.s3.us-west-2.amazonaws.com/Samples/sp_dmW2A.pdf
It is way way better than Eureka.
So if you go to Singapore math dot com it is an American company that sells math books made my publishers from Singapore. Here is a Dimensions Math textbook
https://singapore-math.s3.us-west-2.amazonaws.com/Samples/sp_dmT2A.pdf
And workbook
https://singapore-math.s3.us-west-2.amazonaws.com/Samples/sp_dmW2A.pdf
It is way way better than Eureka.
Anonymous
12/19/2024 19:50
Subject: Math help second grade
Anonymous wrote:The eureka books are confusing. I told my kid she doesn't have to do that homework. They do math I give them instead.
However, the Eureka assessments are scored based on the student demonstrating the strategies taught in the lessons/books, so your child won't receive full credit for a question if they aren't solving it the way they are being taught to at school.
Anonymous
12/19/2024 01:20
Subject: Math help second grade
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I really think that so many parents find multiple strategies difficult speaks to exactly how low American math skills really are.
Back in the day I was a pretty strong math student who hung it up after BC calc. But the essential difference was that as a student I was never expected to do something in more than one way or (far more importantly) to understand what I was doing, whether it was why a formula actually worked or what the real-world application of an integral might be. It was as if the truth lay somewhere just over a hill that we were never made to climb. And the people who could grasp that truth intuitively were the people who were really and truly good at this, not just the people who got As and 5s. I saw and admired the difference.
Whether the current multi-strategy curriculum will produce more people who can see math in that way remains an open question. It certainly helps _me_ understand why things are the way they are, but only in retrospect. My DCs certainly don't grasp the big picture, and I'm not sure too many kids will reach that understanding on their own.
I don't think they will reach understanding better with newer methods. My kids got to 8th grade and 5th grade math (part-year) before Covid when all went haywire. They were/are on the regular advanced track for our district. Oldest ended with Calc AB and 680 Math. Did not want to take BC because of planning a humanities major.
They didn't learn long division properly, memorize order of operations, or cross-multiply correctly. I have sent each to 3 years of Mathnasium to clean up the mess. They do not like Math enough to do Khan Academy or IXL by themselves. And we wanted homework tutoring. This worked but was an expensive intervention.
Repeated exposure, practice with a tutor, and extra time on topics helped where manipulating models and multistrategies did not create insight or math fluency.
Anonymous
12/19/2024 00:50
Subject: Math help second grade
Anonymous wrote:I really think that so many parents find multiple strategies difficult speaks to exactly how low American math skills really are.
Back in the day I was a pretty strong math student who hung it up after BC calc. But the essential difference was that as a student I was never expected to do something in more than one way or (far more importantly) to understand what I was doing, whether it was why a formula actually worked or what the real-world application of an integral might be. It was as if the truth lay somewhere just over a hill that we were never made to climb. And the people who could grasp that truth intuitively were the people who were really and truly good at this, not just the people who got As and 5s. I saw and admired the difference.
Whether the current multi-strategy curriculum will produce more people who can see math in that way remains an open question. It certainly helps _me_ understand why things are the way they are, but only in retrospect. My DCs certainly don't grasp the big picture, and I'm not sure too many kids will reach that understanding on their own.
Anonymous
12/19/2024 00:49
Subject: Math help second grade
These are the MCPS free tutoring options:https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/curriculum/tutoring/
Anonymous
12/19/2024 00:26
Subject: Math help second grade
I really think that so many parents find multiple strategies difficult speaks to exactly how low American math skills really are.
OP are you able to understand the strategy based on what is shown in the Homework or classwork book? Arrange a meeting with the teacher and resource teacher to get some help. If you are a t a school with a Math Coach they may also be able to assist.
OP are you able to understand the strategy based on what is shown in the Homework or classwork book? Arrange a meeting with the teacher and resource teacher to get some help. If you are a t a school with a Math Coach they may also be able to assist.
Anonymous
12/18/2024 19:03
Subject: Re:Math help second grade
DC1 was in 3rd grade during covid, which meant I saw 3rd grade math every day. Granted, not quite the same grade level, but ultimately multi-strategy math is not what most of us grew up with, and even I found it confusing. OP, is there an older kid in the neighborhood who has been through this kind of curriculum and might be able to do some homework help sessions with DC? Alternatively, see if you can meet with the math content specialist or resource teacher at your school for some ideas.
Anonymous
12/18/2024 14:58
Subject: Math help second grade
OP, what exactly is she struggling with? Like, I hear you say certain strategies but what operations are we speaking of? How are her test scores looking? What has the previous and current teachers said? Schools will not help unless they truly have a deficient in Math per a 504 or IEP. There should be resources through MCPS to help though or you may have to go privately with a tutor. What platforms does the school participate in?