Anonymous
12/19/2024 13:29
Subject: ID Sessions starting earlier
Anonymous wrote:Pre-ECNL means nothing. Sure, you may have a leg up at club like BSC if you've been at the club for a while, which could lead to making the ECNL team at u13 but by u15 its irrelevant if you're kid has not developed both physically and technically as a player. North Atlantic Pre-ecnl is a sham simply forcing unsuspecting families into more travel to NJ/PA etc...
Not a sham, it's far better than other local leagues for serious U12 players. Sure, if you think being the last player on the bench at pre-ECNL level is a ticket to making future teams than you are misguided, but I thought this year was beneficial for my daughter. Also, we're in PA so the travel isn't as bad as coming from Bethesda.
Anonymous
12/19/2024 13:23
Subject: ID Sessions starting earlier
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Interesting, but beside the point. The question is whether Bethesda’s version of U12 Pre-ECNL (very closely linked to ECNL and other ECNL clubs) and the Virginia ECNL clubs’ version of U12 Pre-ECNL (VPSL) are treated the same for purposes of the above-referenced March 1 date. There clearly is a lot of movement between ECNL clubs each year, and it’s hard to believe that process doesn’t begin each year until 3/1. Does that date even apply to current U12 players?
If you read the full text of Exhibit C: "Designated Tryout Dates" in the 2024-2025 ECNL Competition Rules document (https://docs.google.com/document/d/19i_HAUsN75dvDyLkg76QK9mQYbZ_MIbj/edit), it specifically defines alternate DTD dates for several states/regions/conferences/leagues. There's no specific mention of MD clubs in the MA Conference. Only VA and NC. Also, there's no general reference to DMV or anything of that sort so I think it's not unreasonable to assume that the defacto date of May 1 applies to Bethesda.
PP here. I just read the following in Exhibit D: "Pre-ECNL Requirements":
"Recruiting: Players registered in the Pre-ECNL are not covered by Rule 2.13 of the ECNL regarding recruiting, tryouts, and registration".
So then the answer is those dates do *NOT* apply to U12 players.
Thanks for confirming that what I thought
Anonymous
12/19/2024 13:22
Subject: ID Sessions starting earlier
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Interesting, but beside the point. The question is whether Bethesda’s version of U12 Pre-ECNL (very closely linked to ECNL and other ECNL clubs) and the Virginia ECNL clubs’ version of U12 Pre-ECNL (VPSL) are treated the same for purposes of the above-referenced March 1 date. There clearly is a lot of movement between ECNL clubs each year, and it’s hard to believe that process doesn’t begin each year until 3/1. Does that date even apply to current U12 players?
If you read the full text of Exhibit C: "Designated Tryout Dates" in the 2024-2025 ECNL Competition Rules document (https://docs.google.com/document/d/19i_HAUsN75dvDyLkg76QK9mQYbZ_MIbj/edit), it specifically defines alternate DTD dates for several states/regions/conferences/leagues. There's no specific mention of MD clubs in the MA Conference. Only VA and NC. Also, there's no general reference to DMV or anything of that sort so I think it's not unreasonable to assume that the defacto date of May 1 applies to Bethesda.
PP here. I just read the following in Exhibit D: "Pre-ECNL Requirements":
"Recruiting: Players registered in the Pre-ECNL are not covered by Rule 2.13 of the ECNL regarding recruiting, tryouts, and registration".
So then the answer is those dates do *NOT* apply to U12 players.
That is very helpful, thank you!
Anonymous
12/19/2024 13:15
Subject: ID Sessions starting earlier
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Interesting, but beside the point. The question is whether Bethesda’s version of U12 Pre-ECNL (very closely linked to ECNL and other ECNL clubs) and the Virginia ECNL clubs’ version of U12 Pre-ECNL (VPSL) are treated the same for purposes of the above-referenced March 1 date. There clearly is a lot of movement between ECNL clubs each year, and it’s hard to believe that process doesn’t begin each year until 3/1. Does that date even apply to current U12 players?
If you read the full text of Exhibit C: "Designated Tryout Dates" in the 2024-2025 ECNL Competition Rules document (https://docs.google.com/document/d/19i_HAUsN75dvDyLkg76QK9mQYbZ_MIbj/edit), it specifically defines alternate DTD dates for several states/regions/conferences/leagues. There's no specific mention of MD clubs in the MA Conference. Only VA and NC. Also, there's no general reference to DMV or anything of that sort so I think it's not unreasonable to assume that the defacto date of May 1 applies to Bethesda.
PP here. I just read the following in Exhibit D: "Pre-ECNL Requirements":
"Recruiting: Players registered in the Pre-ECNL are not covered by Rule 2.13 of the ECNL regarding recruiting, tryouts, and registration".
So then the answer is those dates do *NOT* apply to U12 players.
Anonymous
12/19/2024 13:09
Subject: ID Sessions starting earlier
Anonymous wrote:Interesting, but beside the point. The question is whether Bethesda’s version of U12 Pre-ECNL (very closely linked to ECNL and other ECNL clubs) and the Virginia ECNL clubs’ version of U12 Pre-ECNL (VPSL) are treated the same for purposes of the above-referenced March 1 date. There clearly is a lot of movement between ECNL clubs each year, and it’s hard to believe that process doesn’t begin each year until 3/1. Does that date even apply to current U12 players?
If you read the full text of Exhibit C: "Designated Tryout Dates" in the 2024-2025 ECNL Competition Rules document (https://docs.google.com/document/d/19i_HAUsN75dvDyLkg76QK9mQYbZ_MIbj/edit), it specifically defines alternate DTD dates for several states/regions/conferences/leagues. There's no specific mention of MD clubs in the MA Conference. Only VA and NC. Also, there's no general reference to DMV or anything of that sort so I think it's not unreasonable to assume that the defacto date of May 1 applies to Bethesda.
Anonymous
12/19/2024 12:27
Subject: ID Sessions starting earlier
Anonymous wrote:Pre-ECNL means nothing. Sure, you may have a leg up at club like BSC if you've been at the club for a while, which could lead to making the ECNL team at u13 but by u15 its irrelevant if you're kid has not developed both physically and technically as a player. North Atlantic Pre-ecnl is a sham simply forcing unsuspecting families into more travel to NJ/PA etc...
Interesting, but beside the point. The question is whether Bethesda’s version of U12 Pre-ECNL (very closely linked to ECNL and other ECNL clubs) and the Virginia ECNL clubs’ version of U12 Pre-ECNL (VPSL) are treated the same for purposes of the above-referenced March 1 date. There clearly is a lot of movement between ECNL clubs each year, and it’s hard to believe that process doesn’t begin each year until 3/1. Does that date even apply to current U12 players?
Anonymous
12/19/2024 11:11
Subject: ID Sessions starting earlier
Pre-ECNL means nothing. Sure, you may have a leg up at club like BSC if you've been at the club for a while, which could lead to making the ECNL team at u13 but by u15 its irrelevant if you're kid has not developed both physically and technically as a player. North Atlantic Pre-ecnl is a sham simply forcing unsuspecting families into more travel to NJ/PA etc...
Anonymous
12/19/2024 07:26
Subject: ID Sessions starting earlier
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Correct. And technically, they can't until March. GA was early last year.
No exactly. For example, VDA has this on their website:
Any players currently in non-ECNL and non-ECNL RL club environments (such as GA, USYS, MLS Next), please contact us for tryouts prior to March 1, 2025.
I guess VDA isn't happy with their teams and really wants to find some new players
So ECNL RL kids can’t go to ID sessions until March 1? Always thought it was just for ECNL.
have the same question, my daughter is GFR pre ECNL cannot try out to let's say VDA or Union ahead of March?
ECNL and ECNL RL players are all carded the same through US Club Soccer. This applies to u13-u19. So yes if you are carded on a current team within the ECNL ecosystem, you cannot tryout for another ECNL/ECRL club until March 1. Does not apply to "pre-ECNL" as this isn't really an ECNL supported league nor are players carded through US Club/ECNL.
I believe PRE-ECNL is treated the same as ECNL/ECRL as far as ID sessions . I reached out to a couple clubs and they said March 1st. If anyone on a PRE-ECNL team trying out for a ECNL team is hearing different I would love to know.
Isn’t there a difference between Bethesda in MD and the VA ECNL clubs? According to the ECNL website, Bethesda U12 / 2013s are in the Pre-ECNL North Atlantic Division, along with 2013 teams solely from other ECNL clubs. The 2013s from the VA ECNL don’t seem to be anywhere on the ECNL website. Based on Rankings app, it looks like the 2013 VA teams play in VPSL and EDP.
Interesting, I would also like to know the answer to this
Anonymous
12/18/2024 10:09
Subject: ID Sessions starting earlier
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:ECNL and ECNL RL players are all carded the same through US Club Soccer. This applies to u13-u19. So yes if you are carded on a current team within the ECNL ecosystem, you cannot tryout for another ECNL/ECRL club until March 1. Does not apply to "pre-ECNL" as this isn't really an ECNL supported league nor are players carded through US Club/ECNL.
For clarification, the "Designated Tryout Date" (DTD) is May 1 for ECNL clubs in many parts of the country. Virginia clubs in the Mid-Atlantic Conference as well as ECNL-RL (VPSL) teams in Virginia have a modified DTD of March 1. There are other parts of the country that have modified DTDs, as well.
Also, Pre-ECNL players are carded through US Club Soccer just like ECNL/ECNL-RL players are (see Exhibit D in the ECNL Competition Rules).
Thanks. Very helpful.
Anonymous
12/18/2024 09:00
Subject: ID Sessions starting earlier
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Correct. And technically, they can't until March. GA was early last year.
No exactly. For example, VDA has this on their website:
Any players currently in non-ECNL and non-ECNL RL club environments (such as GA, USYS, MLS Next), please contact us for tryouts prior to March 1, 2025.
I guess VDA isn't happy with their teams and really wants to find some new players
So ECNL RL kids can’t go to ID sessions until March 1? Always thought it was just for ECNL.
have the same question, my daughter is GFR pre ECNL cannot try out to let's say VDA or Union ahead of March?
ECNL and ECNL RL players are all carded the same through US Club Soccer. This applies to u13-u19. So yes if you are carded on a current team within the ECNL ecosystem, you cannot tryout for another ECNL/ECRL club until March 1. Does not apply to "pre-ECNL" as this isn't really an ECNL supported league nor are players carded through US Club/ECNL.
I believe PRE-ECNL is treated the same as ECNL/ECRL as far as ID sessions . I reached out to a couple clubs and they said March 1st. If anyone on a PRE-ECNL team trying out for a ECNL team is hearing different I would love to know.
Isn’t there a difference between Bethesda in MD and the VA ECNL clubs? According to the ECNL website, Bethesda U12 / 2013s are in the Pre-ECNL North Atlantic Division, along with 2013 teams solely from other ECNL clubs. The 2013s from the VA ECNL don’t seem to be anywhere on the ECNL website. Based on Rankings app, it looks like the 2013 VA teams play in VPSL and EDP.
Anonymous
12/18/2024 08:47
Subject: ID Sessions starting earlier
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Correct. And technically, they can't until March. GA was early last year.
No exactly. For example, VDA has this on their website:
Any players currently in non-ECNL and non-ECNL RL club environments (such as GA, USYS, MLS Next), please contact us for tryouts prior to March 1, 2025.
I guess VDA isn't happy with their teams and really wants to find some new players
So ECNL RL kids can’t go to ID sessions until March 1? Always thought it was just for ECNL.
have the same question, my daughter is GFR pre ECNL cannot try out to let's say VDA or Union ahead of March?
ECNL and ECNL RL players are all carded the same through US Club Soccer. This applies to u13-u19. So yes if you are carded on a current team within the ECNL ecosystem, you cannot tryout for another ECNL/ECRL club until March 1. Does not apply to "pre-ECNL" as this isn't really an ECNL supported league nor are players carded through US Club/ECNL.
I believe PRE-ECNL is treated the same as ECNL/ECRL as far as ID sessions . I reached out to a couple clubs and they said March 1st. If anyone on a PRE-ECNL team trying out for a ECNL team is hearing different I would love to know.
Anonymous
12/17/2024 18:42
Subject: ID Sessions starting earlier
Anonymous wrote:ECNL and ECNL RL players are all carded the same through US Club Soccer. This applies to u13-u19. So yes if you are carded on a current team within the ECNL ecosystem, you cannot tryout for another ECNL/ECRL club until March 1. Does not apply to "pre-ECNL" as this isn't really an ECNL supported league nor are players carded through US Club/ECNL.
For clarification, the "Designated Tryout Date" (DTD) is May 1 for ECNL clubs in many parts of the country. Virginia clubs in the Mid-Atlantic Conference as well as ECNL-RL (VPSL) teams in Virginia have a modified DTD of March 1. There are other parts of the country that have modified DTDs, as well.
Also, Pre-ECNL players are carded through US Club Soccer just like ECNL/ECNL-RL players are (see Exhibit D in the ECNL Competition Rules).
Anonymous
12/17/2024 15:55
Subject: ID Sessions starting earlier
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Correct. And technically, they can't until March. GA was early last year.
No exactly. For example, VDA has this on their website:
Any players currently in non-ECNL and non-ECNL RL club environments (such as GA, USYS, MLS Next), please contact us for tryouts prior to March 1, 2025.
I guess VDA isn't happy with their teams and really wants to find some new players
So ECNL RL kids can’t go to ID sessions until March 1? Always thought it was just for ECNL.
have the same question, my daughter is GFR pre ECNL cannot try out to let's say VDA or Union ahead of March?
ECNL and ECNL RL players are all carded the same through US Club Soccer. This applies to u13-u19. So yes if you are carded on a current team within the ECNL ecosystem, you cannot tryout for another ECNL/ECRL club until March 1. Does not apply to "pre-ECNL" as this isn't really an ECNL supported league nor are players carded through US Club/ECNL.
Anonymous
12/17/2024 15:29
Subject: ID Sessions starting earlier
MLS Next season starts in February. Everything is getting push up.
Anonymous
12/17/2024 15:20
Subject: ID Sessions starting earlier
there is nothing pre-ecnl about any of the GFR teams. You should be trying out everywhere becaue the Union team will always be one of the hardest to make at u13 with so many unions to fulfull player pools with.