Anonymous wrote:Feminism was never about equality. It’s always been about supremacy.

Yes, dear. Well done, you’ve got it figured out. It’s those nasty ol’ feminists who are responsible for the current state of your life.

I'll add an anecdote from my own life: I make more than my husband despite being in the same field (primary investigators in biomedical sciences). HOWEVER:
1. Despite women forming the majority of our postdoctoral fellows, women are less than 50% of newly hired tenure tracks.

2. My husband was encouraged to apply for and received his tenure track position much sooner than I was. He is already tenured.

3. Had he been hired by the same place where I was, he would be earning much more than me. He instead chose a more teaching focused role so that he could support my career and our family planning goals. That is a highly unusual arrangement even in modern "two-body" households.

Anonymous wrote:Feminism was never about equality. It’s always been about supremacy.

Thanks for your contribution.

I do, but I also own my own business

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Anonymous wrote:There's also a trend where jobs dominated by women lose status and pay. Pediatricians are mainly women and they get paid less now than other specialties, for instance.

Ob-gyn too, they are all trained as surgeons but it pays much less than other specialties that include surgery.

Yep, and historically the flip-side is true: computer science during its infancy was thought of as clerical/typist work and was women-dominated. When men began to take an interest, it gained prestige and pay went up. Women were also squeezed out and made to think that they were inferior. The wikipedia page on this is remarkably comprehensive: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_in_computing

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Anonymous wrote:Women get more education but are more likely to major in unprofitable things and struggle to repay their loans. They are also more likely to drop to part time or take career breaks. So men still make more. The gap is narrowing or may reverse over time.

If it reverses, expect that instead of women whining endlessly about not making enough instead they will whine endlessly about men not pulling their weight.

It’s hard to know exactly how it will shake out other than whining will be in the cards.

Huh, I wonder why the bolded is true? What could it be, what could it be? I wonder if there is some reason that women often seek less-than-full-time positions or end up out of the workforce for extended periods. Some external factor that we aren't thinking of. I just don't know.

I don’t know. Personal choice, maybe?

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Anonymous wrote:Women get more education but are more likely to major in unprofitable things and struggle to repay their loans. They are also more likely to drop to part time or take career breaks. So men still make more. The gap is narrowing or may reverse over time.

If it reverses, expect that instead of women whining endlessly about not making enough instead they will whine endlessly about men not pulling their weight.

It’s hard to know exactly how it will shake out other than whining will be in the cards.

Huh, I wonder why the bolded is true? What could it be, what could it be? I wonder if there is some reason that women often seek less-than-full-time positions or end up out of the workforce for extended periods. Some external factor that we aren't thinking of. I just don't know.

My understanding is the pay gap exists even when studies control for absences due to child rearing. I’m 46. I make less than DH but came in to our marriage with a lot more money (inheritance) and started working about a decade before he did (while he earned his PhD). So my 401k is better and if you include dividends from investments I have a higher income than he does.
Among my 4 closest friends, one earns equally to her husband, one left her job as a consultant to be a mother, one is divorced and earned less than her husband at the time of divorce but now earns more than him, and one (vp in finance) drastically out-earns her husband (elementary school teacher).

Anonymous wrote:There's also a trend where jobs dominated by women lose status and pay. Pediatricians are mainly women and they get paid less now than other specialties, for instance.

Ob-gyn too, they are all trained as surgeons but it pays much less than other specialties that include surgery.

Anonymous wrote:Women get more education but are more likely to major in unprofitable things and struggle to repay their loans. They are also more likely to drop to part time or take career breaks. So men still make more. The gap is narrowing or may reverse over time.

If it reverses, expect that instead of women whining endlessly about not making enough instead they will whine endlessly about men not pulling their weight.

It’s hard to know exactly how it will shake out other than whining will be in the cards.

Huh, I wonder why the bolded is true? What could it be, what could it be? I wonder if there is some reason that women often seek less-than-full-time positions or end up out of the workforce for extended periods. Some external factor that we aren't thinking of. I just don't know.

I am a lawyer and the gender pay gap in the law is really dramatic because of the penalty in the law for being a woman with kids (there is no penalty for men for having kids). The women who transcend it either (1) do not have children, or (2) have a spouse who is willing to be the primary parent. It's not very common.

Women are making a lot of progress (it's waaaaaaaay better than it was a generation ago, and that was waaaaaaay better than it was a generation before that) but it's still nowhere close to equal. Especially among top earners. I have friends and colleagues who are partners at tippy top firms, and considered the leaders in their practice specialties. The women don't make as much as the men. They work as hard, they are as smart, they are as good with clients, the money doesn't match.

It is especially brutal because of how much it costs to become a lawyer (law school is obscenely expensive) and the ROI for women isn't as good.

I am 20 years into my career and these are painful truths -- I really thought we were further along than this when I entered the field.

There's also a trend where jobs dominated by women lose status and pay. Pediatricians are mainly women and they get paid less now than other specialties, for instance.

Feminism was never about equality. It’s always been about supremacy.

Anonymous wrote:The narrative until a few years ago was that we have an unfair gender pay gap but it’s since shifted to women being girlbosses who outnumber men in academia and are now finding it difficult to date because of how successful they are and can’t find a man who measures up.

Are women actually earning more than men now or are they simply getting useless lib arts degrees along with a mountain of debt and declaring victory?

You’re going to have to figure out how to be happy on your own because your issues with women are neither the cause nor the solution to your problems.

Women get more education but are more likely to major in unprofitable things and struggle to repay their loans. They are also more likely to drop to part time or take career breaks. So men still make more. The gap is narrowing or may reverse over time.

If it reverses, expect that instead of women whining endlessly about not making enough instead they will whine endlessly about men not pulling their weight.

It’s hard to know exactly how it will shake out other than whining will be in the cards.

The wage gap really starts to widen after kids - moms often quit or are mommy tracked.

More education was part of the problem, but there are other parts, like discrimination against moms, fathers not stepping up at home or stepping back from their own career, cultural pressure to be the best mom, etc.