Anonymous wrote:So...cut the cheapest employees who are most motivated to do good work?

Exactly - its firing the quiet quitters that would drain the swamp, not the newbies

Anonymous wrote:Do probationary periods reset by position or are they once-per-person. My boss is talking about promoting me into a new role and I’m wondering if that means this DOGE idea would apply to me and I should turn it down.

Only if you’re becoming SES.

As someone who just trained new people, it'd just be a massive, stupid waste. We hired people because we needed rhem, we just spent a whole lot of money training them and to fire them now would mean we aren't going to get the investment back. Might as well just set money on fire.

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Anonymous wrote:So...cut the cheapest employees who are most motivated to do good work?

Fire the people who are still in their probationary period and who would be entitled to minimal or no severance, I would guess. Of course, in this environment, if they were hired, they are also probably in jobs where they are really needed. But, I’m 50 and have been a Fed for 20 years. Fire me and you owe me 52 weeks severance.

It's less than 52 weeks severance for only 20 years service.

You get an extra week for every three month over the age of 40.

That’s not correct. From OPM:
Age Adjustment Allowance
The basic severance pay allowance is augmented by an age adjustment allowance consisting of 2.5 percent of the basic severance pay allowance for each full 3 months of age over 40 years.

52 weeks is the maximum severance a Fed can receive in their lifetime. Perhaps that’s where PP got confused.

https://www.opm.gov/policy-data-oversight/pay-leave/pay-administration/fact-sheets/severance-pay/

So wouldn't it be 50 weeks then...see information copied from above site below:

Basic severance pay allowance
The basic severance pay allowance consists of-

One week of pay at the rate of basic pay for the position held by the employee at the time of separation for each full year of creditable service through 10 years;
Two weeks of pay at the rate of basic pay for the position held by the employee at the time of separation for each full year of creditable service beyond 10 years; and
Twenty-five percent of the otherwise applicable amount for each full 3 months of creditable service beyond the final full year.

Age Adjustment Allowance
The basic severance pay allowance is augmented by an age adjustment allowance consisting of 2.5 percent of the basic severance pay allowance for each full 3 months of age over 40 years.

I am 44 and have 20 years so for the first 10 years of my service it would be 10 weeks, and for the second 10 years of my service it would be 2*10 weeks=20 weeks, and 2.5 percent of 52 weeks of pay is 1.3 weeks of pay and with 4 years over 40, that will be 16*1.3=20.8. Total severance is 20+10+20.8=50.8 weeks.

Do probationary periods reset by position or are they once-per-person. My boss is talking about promoting me into a new role and I’m wondering if that means this DOGE idea would apply to me and I should turn it down.

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Anonymous wrote:So...cut the cheapest employees who are most motivated to do good work?

Fire the people who are still in their probationary period and who would be entitled to minimal or no severance, I would guess. Of course, in this environment, if they were hired, they are also probably in jobs where they are really needed. But, I’m 50 and have been a Fed for 20 years. Fire me and you owe me 52 weeks severance.

It's less than 52 weeks severance for only 20 years service.

You get an extra week for every three month over the age of 40.

That’s not correct. From OPM:
Age Adjustment Allowance
The basic severance pay allowance is augmented by an age adjustment allowance consisting of 2.5 percent of the basic severance pay allowance for each full 3 months of age over 40 years.

52 weeks is the maximum severance a Fed can receive in their lifetime. Perhaps that’s where PP got confused.

https://www.opm.gov/policy-data-oversight/pay-leave/pay-administration/fact-sheets/severance-pay/

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Anonymous wrote:So...cut the cheapest employees who are most motivated to do good work?

Fire the people who are still in their probationary period and who would be entitled to minimal or no severance, I would guess. Of course, in this environment, if they were hired, they are also probably in jobs where they are really needed. But, I’m 50 and have been a Fed for 20 years. Fire me and you owe me 52 weeks severance.

Wait what? I’ve fired people and I don’t think they got any severance. You mean laid off?

Yes. RIFs that are not due to work poor performance. It’s 1 week a year, plus one week for every three months over the age of 40.

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Anonymous wrote:So...cut the cheapest employees who are most motivated to do good work?

Fire the people who are still in their probationary period and who would be entitled to minimal or no severance, I would guess. Of course, in this environment, if they were hired, they are also probably in jobs where they are really needed. But, I’m 50 and have been a Fed for 20 years. Fire me and you owe me 52 weeks severance.

It's less than 52 weeks severance for only 20 years service.

You get an extra week for every three month over the age of 40.

Wow, a whole year of severance? That's amazing.

Ideally, they'd do true performance-based layoffs where needed, rather than blanket approaches or encouraging older workers to retire early. But they won't be doing anything reasonable.

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Anonymous wrote:So...cut the cheapest employees who are most motivated to do good work?

Fire the people who are still in their probationary period and who would be entitled to minimal or no severance, I would guess. Of course, in this environment, if they were hired, they are also probably in jobs where they are really needed. But, I’m 50 and have been a Fed for 20 years. Fire me and you owe me 52 weeks severance.

Wait what? I’ve fired people and I don’t think they got any severance. You mean laid off?

Anonymous wrote:Many of the retired age group are begging to be bought out by VERA, let’s start there instead of gutting all of the young grunt workers making the least amount of money.

I have blackballed VERA people. Senior management had no idea how bad they were when they worked here, then they finally retired and wanted to come back. Noooo! Them being brought back was also going to block us from hiring someone new. Some retirees I’m desperate to have return, however.

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Anonymous wrote:So...cut the cheapest employees who are most motivated to do good work?

Fire the people who are still in their probationary period and who would be entitled to minimal or no severance, I would guess. Of course, in this environment, if they were hired, they are also probably in jobs where they are really needed. But, I’m 50 and have been a Fed for 20 years. Fire me and you owe me 52 weeks severance.

It's less than 52 weeks severance for only 20 years service.

You get additional $$ for every 3 months above 40 years old though

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Anonymous wrote:So...cut the cheapest employees who are most motivated to do good work?

Fire the people who are still in their probationary period and who would be entitled to minimal or no severance, I would guess. Of course, in this environment, if they were hired, they are also probably in jobs where they are really needed. But, I’m 50 and have been a Fed for 20 years. Fire me and you owe me 52 weeks severance.

It's less than 52 weeks severance for only 20 years service.

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Anonymous wrote:So...cut the cheapest employees who are most motivated to do good work?

Fire the people who are still in their probationary period and who would be entitled to minimal or no severance, I would guess. Of course, in this environment, if they were hired, they are also probably in jobs where they are really needed. But, I’m 50 and have been a Fed for 20 years. Fire me and you owe me 52 weeks severance.

Also no merit systems protections. They’re probably floating this proposal because they realize Schedule F will get bogged down in litigation before anyone can be fired under it.

Anonymous wrote:So...cut the cheapest employees who are most motivated to do good work?

Fire the people who are still in their probationary period and who would be entitled to minimal or no severance, I would guess. Of course, in this environment, if they were hired, they are also probably in jobs where they are really needed. But, I’m 50 and have been a Fed for 20 years. Fire me and you owe me 52 weeks severance.