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Anonymous wrote:Given that ED2 is by definition your second choice school, how many kids feel strongly enough about their second choice to go ED2? Seems like apply RD and give yourself the most options. Especially because the ED2 admit rate is usually a lot lower than the ED1 rate - you are giving up your power of choice for a small (if any) admission rate advantage compared to RD.

ED2 gives a good advantage at most schools.

No it doesn't. ED2 kids take most of their ED applicants in ED1, and far fewer in ED2. At Emory about 3/4 of the ED admits were accepted in ED1 and 1/4 in ED2. And the admit rate in ED2 is much lower. The Emory ED1 acceptance rate was 26% and ED2 was 12%.

Depends on the school. NYU historically has decent parity between ED1 and ED2 admits, BC less so, with NEU and BU having worse outcomes in ED2.

Hopkins sent last year, wasn’t targeted and went to all regulars, not sure if anyone is implying schools target or not but they for sure didn’t. I wouldn’t think any do, makes se sense for them to blast all of they’re doing to do that. Wasn’t a fan of the practice, feels a little manipulative.

Anonymous wrote:Given that ED2 is by definition your second choice school, how many kids feel strongly enough about their second choice to go ED2? Seems like apply RD and give yourself the most options. Especially because the ED2 admit rate is usually a lot lower than the ED1 rate - you are giving up your power of choice for a small (if any) admission rate advantage compared to RD.

ED2 gives a good advantage at most schools. Yes, don't apply if not certain. But many kids do have a strong 2nd choice. Or rather come end of Dec and if they got rejected from some EA schools, they don't want to risk more rejections.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m surprised Vanderbilt still has ed2.

Vandy loves full pay - as do places like UChicago and WashU, along with some highly selective SLACs - and ED2 is the best way to pick up high stats kids who didn't get into their Ed1.

Vandy, UChicago, and WashU are all need-blind for domestic applicants. What are we talking about here

We are talking about the fact that all those schools take tons of private school kids ED2 - plus it is very easy to tell from apps who is full pay. Just because they are not overtly viewing the financial aid forms alongside applications does not mean they are truly need blind.

+1 Your ECs, zip code, High School are typically enough to indicate economic status. And yes, I don't believe for a second that "need blind" are truly need blind. AO know which app screams "full pay".

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Anonymous wrote:Emory seems to be the ED2 school for people who don’t get into Duke or Vanderbilt ED1

what do you do if you are deferred from one of those schools ED1??
hard, right?

Yes you have a choice to make. My kid was Deferred ED1 from a Top 10. They chose to wait it out and see. Instead of applying ED2 to their next choice, because we were fairly certain they would get in EA at that school. They did and are attending. And they ended up rejected from ED1 ultimately. Almost wish they had just Rejected outright. CC suspects they did Deferred because kid was legacy. And it's a school where only a small percentage are deferred, so while no stats on how many get accepted from that, it's suspected to be much higher than most schools (think typically only 200 or so are deferred, versus 1000+ at some top schools)

It all works out

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Anonymous wrote:Given that ED2 is by definition your second choice school, how many kids feel strongly enough about their second choice to go ED2? Seems like apply RD and give yourself the most options. Especially because the ED2 admit rate is usually a lot lower than the ED1 rate - you are giving up your power of choice for a small (if any) admission rate advantage compared to RD.

I've heard some schools ask RD/EA students to consider changing to ED2, hinting that they're likely in if they do.

I've heard Hopkins does this, anywhere else?

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Anonymous wrote:I’m surprised Vanderbilt still has ed2.

Vandy loves full pay - as do places like UChicago and WashU, along with some highly selective SLACs - and ED2 is the best way to pick up high stats kids who didn't get into their Ed1.

All 90K+ schools love full pay. Without the right percentage of Full pay, the tuition would be even higher.

ED2 is simply a smart choice by schools. You lock in and capture top students who didn't get into a Higher choice. It's a win-win for school and students. By that time, they have also likely heard from a few schools with EA, so might want to lock in a 2nd choice.

Remember everyone can play ED games, you just have to be willing/able to pay the NPC estimate. If your issue is you make $250K and don't want to pay full pay, then that is your choice, you simply wait for RD/EA

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Anonymous wrote:I’m surprised Vanderbilt still has ed2.

Vandy loves full pay - as do places like UChicago and WashU, along with some highly selective SLACs - and ED2 is the best way to pick up high stats kids who didn't get into their Ed1.

Vandy, UChicago, and WashU are all need-blind for domestic applicants. What are we talking about here

We are talking about the fact that all those schools take tons of private school kids ED2 - plus it is very easy to tell from apps who is full pay. Just because they are not overtly viewing the financial aid forms alongside applications does not mean they are truly need blind.

100% correct

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Anonymous wrote:I’m surprised Vanderbilt still has ed2.

Vandy loves full pay - as do places like UChicago and WashU, along with some highly selective SLACs - and ED2 is the best way to pick up high stats kids who didn't get into their Ed1.

Vandy, UChicago, and WashU are all need-blind for domestic applicants. What are we talking about here

We are talking about the fact that all those schools take tons of private school kids ED2 - plus it is very easy to tell from apps who is full pay. Just because they are not overtly viewing the financial aid forms alongside applications does not mean they are truly need blind.

Do you have stats on this? I’m curious about how you compared them to other schools’ ED admits.

It’s not true. Need blind schools are truly need blind except for the wait list.

Chicago, NYU, and Emory have all yielded lots of ED2 acceptances at our school.

Anonymous wrote:Wake Forest is a popular ED 2 option

BC too

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Anonymous wrote:I’m surprised Vanderbilt still has ed2.

Vandy loves full pay - as do places like UChicago and WashU, along with some highly selective SLACs - and ED2 is the best way to pick up high stats kids who didn't get into their Ed1.

Vandy, UChicago, and WashU are all need-blind for domestic applicants. What are we talking about here

We are talking about the fact that all those schools take tons of private school kids ED2 - plus it is very easy to tell from apps who is full pay. Just because they are not overtly viewing the financial aid forms alongside applications does not mean they are truly need blind.

Do you have stats on this? I’m curious about how you compared them to other schools’ ED admits.

Wake Forest is a popular ED 2 option

Anonymous wrote:Given that ED2 is by definition your second choice school, how many kids feel strongly enough about their second choice to go ED2? Seems like apply RD and give yourself the most options. Especially because the ED2 admit rate is usually a lot lower than the ED1 rate - you are giving up your power of choice for a small (if any) admission rate advantage compared to RD.

I've heard some schools ask RD/EA students to consider changing to ED2, hinting that they're likely in if they do.