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Anonymous wrote:You all are so lucky to live in VA. We are considering paying $70-$80k to send our kid to one of your schools…if they are lucky enough to even be admitted.

Maybe Virginia need to shrink the out of state student body to make more spots for taxpayer in state kids.

Taxes barely contribute to W&M and UVA's budgets. At that point they would be better off going private, out of state students help maintain their budgets.

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Anonymous wrote:That makes no sense. There are a lot of great VA in-state options. Why not attend one of those?

There is too much hierarchy. Alternatively, they could combine all of the universities (UVa, VTech, William and Mary, Gmu, Jmu, Cnu, Longwood) into one university and have a lottery for all who are accepted to decide who goes to which campus.

This wouldn’t make sense because location does matter when it comes to universities. If someone want to stay local or work closely to certain industries it wouldn’t work.

Free transferring between all campuses. CNU students can transfer to UVA & W&M and so can Longwood students. Free transferring between campuses once you're admitted to the system.

You can't do that because the "top" schools wouldn't be able to handle the capacity and then you'd have empty space at the other campuses.
The current system is fine.

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Anonymous wrote:That makes no sense. There are a lot of great VA in-state options. Why not attend one of those?

There is too much hierarchy. Alternatively, they could combine all of the universities (UVa, VTech, William and Mary, Gmu, Jmu, Cnu, Longwood) into one university and have a lottery for all who are accepted to decide who goes to which campus.

This wouldn’t make sense because location does matter when it comes to universities. If someone want to stay local or work closely to certain industries it wouldn’t work.

Free transferring between all campuses. CNU students can transfer to UVA & W&M and so can Longwood students. Free transferring between campuses once you're admitted to the system.

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Anonymous wrote:That makes no sense. There are a lot of great VA in-state options. Why not attend one of those?

There is too much hierarchy. Alternatively, they could combine all of the universities (UVa, VTech, William and Mary, Gmu, Jmu, Cnu, Longwood) into one university and have a lottery for all who are accepted to decide who goes to which campus.

This wouldn’t make sense because location does matter when it comes to universities. If someone want to stay local or work closely to certain industries it wouldn’t work.

Anonymous wrote:Why? Virginia has many schools for all types of students.

Let me guess. YOUR kids go to one of the top 3? That's what I thought. There needs to be a change.

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Anonymous wrote:You all are so lucky to live in VA. We are considering paying $70-$80k to send our kid to one of your schools…if they are lucky enough to even be admitted.

Maybe Virginia need to shrink the out of state student body to make more spots for taxpayer in state kids.

When the enrollment cliff hits in a couple years VA universities will become less competitive. Mandatory decreases of OOSS at the apex of competitiveness is shortsighted and would likely result in VA universities not keeping up with other states' after the cliff hits.

I don’t think the 2009 ish birth year size difference is that significant.

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Anonymous wrote:You all are so lucky to live in VA. We are considering paying $70-$80k to send our kid to one of your schools…if they are lucky enough to even be admitted.

Maybe Virginia need to shrink the out of state student body to make more spots for taxpayer in state kids.

When the enrollment cliff hits in a couple years VA universities will become less competitive. Mandatory decreases of OOSS at the apex of competitiveness is shortsighted and would likely result in VA universities not keeping up with other states' after the cliff hits.

Dumb and dumber.

Anonymous wrote:You all are so lucky to live in VA. We are considering paying $70-$80k to send our kid to one of your schools…if they are lucky enough to even be admitted.

Maybe Virginia need to shrink the out of state student body to make more spots for taxpayer in state kids.

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Anonymous wrote:That makes no sense. There are a lot of great VA in-state options. Why not attend one of those?

Their child has a 4.0! They deserve to get in!

Someone with a 4.0 deserves to get into all three. DC didn't even get into VTech. Waitlisted. Ridiculous and absurd.

No. Who is posting such dumb things on a Sunday evening? It's not about a specific GPA. It's about competing with peers. If you're not in the top X%, you don't get in. This is the way it works for ALL prestigious universities the world over. Why do you want your special snowflake to get undeserved access?

Now if you want to talk about US methods for selecting students - as in, is the "holistic" method fairer than a straight-up academic comparison - then we can talk. Because I don't think the uniquely American method of selecting based on a murky formula of grades+scores+ECs+essays is a fair or equitable one at all. It usually takes a lot of family dedication/money, not just student talent, to achieve at a high level in an extra-curricular. People say grades are a contaminated by racial and socio-economic inequity, but that's nowhere near the lack of access to time-consuming, traveling or expensive ECs faced by low-income families! No method will be 100% fair, but a nationwide scoring system (like APs, SATs or ACTs) are the least inequitable way to compare students. Sadly, this is apparently not acceptable by Americans.

The college admissions process is incredibly stressful for families, because they're not starting off their applications with a good idea of where their kid should apply, and they wait on tenterhooks until decisions are made. Whereas in other countries who rely solely on academics, students don't waste their time and emotions on reach schools. They apply where they're likely to get in. McGill is a good example: it posts minimum grades on its website. If you don't meet that minimum requirement, you're not getting in. It lowers the stress level CONSIDERABLY. Even in Asians countries with extreme obsessions with academics and college admissions, you pass the exams and you're done. Your rank determines where you can get in, and that's it. It's takes the guesswork out of the equation.

You can discuss college admissions from various points of view and different levels of complexity, but the one you're stuck on is really not the right one.

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Anonymous wrote:That makes no sense. There are a lot of great VA in-state options. Why not attend one of those?

There is too much hierarchy. Alternatively, they could combine all of the universities (UVa, VTech, William and Mary, Gmu, Jmu, Cnu, Longwood) into one university and have a lottery for all who are accepted to decide who goes to which campus.

Maybe make it more like NC. UVA separate but then Virginia U - GMU campus, VAU - Longwood campus etc.

There's no reason to make those schools even bigger. VT has already grown a lot. Most VA colleges have declining enrollment.

Would OP feel better if they just called them UVA- Fairfax (GMU), Norfolk (ODU), and Harrisonburg (JMU). And W&M- Fredericksburg (UMW), Newport News (CNU) (aligning the smaller schools with the W&M brand)

Anonymous wrote:DC applied to all three of these schools last cycle and will be trying again. These three schools are getting more competitive and out of reach for everyday people. I think each of them should be split up into multiple different schools that each have less competitive admissions or they should each double in size. Not just a 10% increase or 2% increase every year or whatever thing like that. They need to start construction NOW to build at least 2x the housing, classrooms, etc. to accommodate double the number of students and all new students should be required to come from Virginia. These admissions practices have gone way too far. As soon as admission rates hit below 50% for in-state applicants there should be mandatory student body expansions

Virginia Tech's acceptance rate is 57%. How high do you want it to be???

My kids graduated from, or are still attending, really large public high schools in MCPS. My oldest is at a large private university. I went to a small, selective high school and large public universities. Building for the masses really changes the nature of the services provided, the camaraderie, and relationships with the teachers and professors.

So no.

We do not want to build educational institutions that are too large or expand campuses too much beyond what they can humanely manage.

You're coming across as incredibly jealous and childish, OP.

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Anonymous wrote:That makes no sense. There are a lot of great VA in-state options. Why not attend one of those?

Their child has a 4.0! They deserve to get in!

Someone with a 4.0 deserves to get into all three. DC didn't even get into VTech. Waitlisted. Ridiculous and absurd.