Anonymous wrote:What exactly does the Dept of Ed do?

They have a website. Why don’t you look for yourself?

What exactly does the Dept of Ed do?

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Anonymous wrote:Like in Oklahoma where all schools have a copy of Trump's Bible (made in China), or in Mississippi (or was it Alabama?) where they have to display the 10 Commandments?

2 excellent examples of public education at its finest 🤣

Oklahoma and Mississippi being bastions of excellent public education. Ha ha.

Can't speak to Oklahoma, but Mississippi has a fair claim to be the best run state in the USA, as far as public education is concerned. The "Mississippi miracle" has seen their test scores shoot up from worst in the country to somewhere in the middle, with little change to either demographics or economics. They've done yeoman's work fixing up e.g. basic literacy programs, including restructuring the teacher pipeline to properly support them. It's well worth reading about, if you get the chance.

+1.

I have been shocked, after watching Mississippi educational success rank either 49 or 50 out of 50 states for my whole life, until very recently. Mississippi actually led the way in restoring sane reading curriculum - the whole “Science of Reading” movement gathered steam when Mississippi adopted it and saw dramatic statewide improvement in reading attainment.

I haven't looked into the specifics but usually this type of thing is a sham where they just kick out kids who aen't performing in order to improve their standing.

Mississippi Miracle poster from above: I did look at it. There is some effect because Mississippi is having very behind students repeat grades (*) instead of simply passing them along, but the numbers of grade repeaters are not nearly high enough to account for the majority of the gains, and further there has been a large increase in the advanced (**) category, and an additional year is not going to move a failing student to advanced. It does look like the gains are real.

(*) The students don't just repeat the grade, but are provided with a lot of additional support.

(**) I can't remember the exact verbiage the NAEP uses for advanced; this is something I last dove into about two years ago.

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Anonymous wrote:Like in Oklahoma where all schools have a copy of Trump's Bible (made in China), or in Mississippi (or was it Alabama?) where they have to display the 10 Commandments?

2 excellent examples of public education at its finest 🤣

Oklahoma and Mississippi being bastions of excellent public education. Ha ha.

Can't speak to Oklahoma, but Mississippi has a fair claim to be the best run state in the USA, as far as public education is concerned. The "Mississippi miracle" has seen their test scores shoot up from worst in the country to somewhere in the middle, with little change to either demographics or economics. They've done yeoman's work fixing up e.g. basic literacy programs, including restructuring the teacher pipeline to properly support them. It's well worth reading about, if you get the chance.

+1.

I have been shocked, after watching Mississippi educational success rank either 49 or 50 out of 50 states for my whole life, until very recently. Mississippi actually led the way in restoring sane reading curriculum - the whole “Science of Reading” movement gathered steam when Mississippi adopted it and saw dramatic statewide improvement in reading attainment.

I haven't looked into the specifics but usually this type of thing is a sham where they just kick out kids who aen't performing in order to improve their standing.

You sound super smart.

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Anonymous wrote:The state of public education in the US is already precarious and Trump’s plans for education are rather frightening. Patriotism education? Prayer in schools?
Is anyone else scared that things will go from bad to worse?
https://kfor.com/news/oklahoma-education/superintendent-walters-issues-memo-on-dismantling-u-s-department-of-education/

And you think things are going great now, where were behind almost every other first world nation in education? Getting rid of the useless Dept. of Education (which has only been around since 1980) would be worth a try.

How does patriotism and prayer in school help with academics? you know what doesn't help? Insisting kids learn about the Bible. Save that for Sunday school.

-signed a Christian

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Anonymous wrote:Like in Oklahoma where all schools have a copy of Trump's Bible (made in China), or in Mississippi (or was it Alabama?) where they have to display the 10 Commandments?

2 excellent examples of public education at its finest 🤣

Oklahoma and Mississippi being bastions of excellent public education. Ha ha.

Can't speak to Oklahoma, but Mississippi has a fair claim to be the best run state in the USA, as far as public education is concerned. The "Mississippi miracle" has seen their test scores shoot up from worst in the country to somewhere in the middle, with little change to either demographics or economics. They've done yeoman's work fixing up e.g. basic literacy programs, including restructuring the teacher pipeline to properly support them. It's well worth reading about, if you get the chance.

+1.

I have been shocked, after watching Mississippi educational success rank either 49 or 50 out of 50 states for my whole life, until very recently. Mississippi actually led the way in restoring sane reading curriculum - the whole “Science of Reading” movement gathered steam when Mississippi adopted it and saw dramatic statewide improvement in reading attainment.

I haven't looked into the specifics but usually this type of thing is a sham where they just kick out kids who aen't performing in order to improve their standing.

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Anonymous wrote:The state of public education in the US is already precarious and Trump’s plans for education are rather frightening. Patriotism education? Prayer in schools?
Is anyone else scared that things will go from bad to worse?
https://kfor.com/news/oklahoma-education/superintendent-walters-issues-memo-on-dismantling-u-s-department-of-education/

And you think things are going great now, where were behind almost every other first world nation in education? Getting rid of the useless Dept. of Education (which has only been around since 1980) would be worth a try.

All highly educated wealthy nations have a fully funded Department of Ed. MAGAs are clueless.

By lowering the bar they can increase their vote share. Educated voters won't vote MAGA so harming the state of education is in their interests.

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Anonymous wrote:Like in Oklahoma where all schools have a copy of Trump's Bible (made in China), or in Mississippi (or was it Alabama?) where they have to display the 10 Commandments?

2 excellent examples of public education at its finest 🤣

Oklahoma and Mississippi being bastions of excellent public education. Ha ha.

Can't speak to Oklahoma, but Mississippi has a fair claim to be the best run state in the USA, as far as public education is concerned. The "Mississippi miracle" has seen their test scores shoot up from worst in the country to somewhere in the middle, with little change to either demographics or economics. They've done yeoman's work fixing up e.g. basic literacy programs, including restructuring the teacher pipeline to properly support them. It's well worth reading about, if you get the chance.

+1.

I have been shocked, after watching Mississippi educational success rank either 49 or 50 out of 50 states for my whole life, until very recently. Mississippi actually led the way in restoring sane reading curriculum - the whole “Science of Reading” movement gathered steam when Mississippi adopted it and saw dramatic statewide improvement in reading attainment.

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Anonymous wrote:Like in Oklahoma where all schools have a copy of Trump's Bible (made in China), or in Mississippi (or was it Alabama?) where they have to display the 10 Commandments?

2 excellent examples of public education at its finest 🤣

Oklahoma and Mississippi being bastions of excellent public education. Ha ha.

Can't speak to Oklahoma, but Mississippi has a fair claim to be the best run state in the USA, as far as public education is concerned. The "Mississippi miracle" has seen their test scores shoot up from worst in the country to somewhere in the middle, with little change to either demographics or economics. They've done yeoman's work fixing up e.g. basic literacy programs, including restructuring the teacher pipeline to properly support them. It's well worth reading about, if you get the chance.

Anonymous wrote:My concerns with schools include discipline issues, passing kids along, lower standards. Gender indoctrination? Do you guys get your news from Fox? We are in the DMV and my kids have not been indoctrinated.

Exactly the behaviors and lower standards are county/state issues. Getting rid of the dept of education will not help individual schools. This is a move by Trump to get rid of any oversight. Bibles and prayer in schools-NO thanks! He also wants things to fall apart so he can do vouchers.

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Anonymous wrote:The state of public education in the US is already precarious and Trump’s plans for education are rather frightening. Patriotism education? Prayer in schools?
Is anyone else scared that things will go from bad to worse?
https://kfor.com/news/oklahoma-education/superintendent-walters-issues-memo-on-dismantling-u-s-department-of-education/

And you think things are going great now, where were behind almost every other first world nation in education? Getting rid of the useless Dept. of Education (which has only been around since 1980) would be worth a try.

Prayer in school is not the answer. Separation of church and state!!! Also do your research on things the the Dept of ED does-college loans if your child has SPED you want oversight and rights for your child to go to school and learn.

This issue came up in the political forum as well, but there's no reason to worry about the dismantling of the Department of ED as a federal cabinet agency. Regardless of what the President says he will not be able to eliminate the Department of Education as a cabinet level agency for three primary reasons.

1. Most importantly, the President does not have the votes in Congress. Last year, during the debate on the Parents Bill of Rights Act, Representative Massie offered an amendment to eliminate the Department that failed. 60 Republicans voted against it.

This is an evergreen issue conservatives have brought up since Reagan and it has failed repeatedly. The President just does not have the votes in the House or Senate, just like he didn’t during his previous term when he said he would do the same thing.

2. He needs to hire both a Secretary of Education and appoint Schedule C staff that share his vision. No two term Republican has ever achieved this feat. His previous Secretary did not have the technical ability or aptitude to structure such an initiative. During his last term the President appointed several political staff who did not share this vision and some actively worked against it. His daughter was influential in the education and workforce space. She recommended Democrats to key positions (e.g., number 2 position in the Office of Elementary and Secondary Education) and other Republicans who did not necessarily agree with the Administration. In fact, Ivanka Trump used her influence to maintain or expand the role of government in certain domains administered by the Department.

While it’s true the President’s Republican children (e.g., Don Jr.) are now more involved than in the past, it would still be a challenge to staff all the Department’s politicals with 100% Trump acolytes.

3. In terms of conservative education prioritization, cultural or school choice issues are more popular than fighting to restructure a federal cabinet agency. Looking at models such as the one in Florida, it’s far more likely that Trump Education appointees would focus on cultural or school choice issues vs. an agency restructure. Furthermore, given the short timeframe, the President can’t do both. He would need a functioning Department of Education to implement his cultural and school choice education priorities.

Finally, while it’s possible the new Administration could achieve 1 or 2 of these 3 elements, they would need all 3 to work together in perfect harmony for there to be any chance of an agency restructure to happen successfully. While there are many education issues to be considered about, the elimination of the Department of Education as a federal cabinet agency is not one of them. Trump can’t get it done no matter what he says. The mathematical probability that he can achieve this objective is as close to zero as one can get in a field that isn’t an exact science. Let’s focus on engaging on education issues that have a chance to become reality.

The Maggot is afraid that being LGBTQ is being normalized and accepted. She wants to go back to when those kids would get beat up, made to feel ashamed for who they are and hide or kill themselves. This is the MAGA dream. Hurting marginalized kids only some of them are too cowardly to openly admit it so they veil it in the thinnest of shrouds. Why do you think they are so into book banning and school counselors.

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Anonymous wrote:My concerns with schools include discipline issues, passing kids along, lower standards. Gender indoctrination? Do you guys get your news from Fox? We are in the DMV and my kids have not been indoctrinated.

A few years ago during the lockdown. First day of English class in 6th grade. Meeting your teacher for the first time. Not knowing any other kid in class because it's a magnet school. During introductions. "My name is Ms. Xxx and i go by She/Her. What's your name and what are your pronouns?" Many kids looking bewildered on screen. Some kids know the game and use alternative pronouns and suddenly a bunch of other kids start saying the same things... To fit in? To be alternative? Who knows. But this is teacher-led indoctrination, playing into the insecurities of adolescent, pre-pubescent kids who don't understand what the use of those terms mean. There were similar things going on in history class and PE/health class.

And you think this has something to do with the Department of Education? Let's dig into this a bit. The covid lock down began in March 2020, when the Secretary of the Dept of Education was Betsy DeVos, a Trump appointee. The first day of class during the lock down would have occurred in late August/early September 2020, when Trump was still in office and Betsy DeVos-- hardly an LGBTQ advocate--was the Secretary of Education. Biden did not take office until January 20, 2021, well after the fateful day you described above.

Anonymous wrote:Eliminating the cabinet department is unlikely to eliminate most of its activities. It is mostly shuffling the deck chairs.

DoEd functions could be merged back into Dept of HHS, to give one example.

2nd Example: DoJ enforced civil rights in education before DoEd was created - and that piece of DoEd likely would go back to DoJ if DoEd were disestablished.

I like that all this reshuffling would be done in the name of efficiency. No one has discussed the unnecessary cost and confusion.