Anonymous
Post 11/11/2024 13:04     Subject: Legal immigrant status
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Why do people have to be so rude? It's easy for you to laugh and make fun of someone for being worried when you know none of this crap is going to affect you. There are some truly awful people in these threads.


OP - thank you. My husband and I am truly worried about this. I am not a natural born citizen. I had a green card for 2 years. But my whole life is here in America.


He will deport illegal immigrants, not people with green cards or naturalized citizens. I came here legally and am a naturalized citizen. I also voted for Trump because the border needs to be secured and people who came here illegally, especially ones with criminal backgrounds, need a one way ticket out of here.


So this is a choice. How do you keep the sand out of your eyes with your head jammed that far down the sand hole?

CBS's "60 Minutes" asked Homan in October whether mass deportations would separate families, or what situations would prompt family separations. That could include an example like when one parent lacks official documents, one parent is a naturalized citizen and children were born in the U.S.

"Of course there is," Homan said. "Families can be deported together."

USA Today: Donald Trump picks Tom Homan, former head of immigration enforcement, to be 'border czar'
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2024/11/11/tom-homan-border-czar-transitions-donald-trump/76193602007/


And it doesn't matter if you think you are safe, because nothing happened yet. In his first term, Trump's administration was combing back over naturalized citizens' document to see if they could find previously unnoticed and nitpicking errors. Find an errors nd you found an excuse to deport.

Anonymous
Post 11/11/2024 13:00     Subject: Legal immigrant status
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Will those who are here legally, on green cards, a non-birth citizens have their status changed? Is this part of the new policy change by Trump? I have been a naturalized citizen since I was 2 years old but am increasingly nervous that my citizenship will be taken away if Stephen Miller has his way regarding this policy.


Did you gain citizenship by something illegal if not then you are ok.

How does someone gain citizenship by something illegal?
Anonymous
Post 11/11/2024 13:00     Subject: Re:Legal immigrant status
Anonymous wrote:The denaturalization initiative, which began under Trump’s first administration, involved investigations into naturalized citizens, often based on minor discrepancies in immigration paperwork or other technicalities.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-advisor-s-turbocharged-denaturalization-project-sparks-fear-among-immigrant-communities-after-election-win/ar-AA1tGf5S


The only reports we've seen were the ones where citizenship should never have been granted as the applicant has either committed a crime or concealed material information that would have made them ineligible.

I don't know what to tell you. My husband is a naturalized citizen. Under Obama, his case was held up for four years. Under Trump, after some legal maneuvering, they literally called him on the phone and scheduled his oath ceremony right away. My green card case under Biden took much longer than necessary.
Anonymous
Post 11/11/2024 13:00     Subject: Legal immigrant status
Go spend 1 week in your local elementary school and you will understand why ending birthright citizenship is so critical.

Our resources are maxed out because of the number of ESL/ESOL students. And guess what? Their parents don't care about their schooling at all. They. Don't. Care. School is free daycare for them and that's all they care about.
Anonymous
Post 11/11/2024 12:59     Subject: Legal immigrant status

Given the plans being voiced, why WOULDN'T you plan for what to do if they follow through on them? Is it somehow better to be caught flat-footed and completely unprepared?

Nobody is suggesting OP deport herself or move out of the country preemptively. But anyone who is is naturalized, or on a green card, or overstaying a VISA, or anything else other than the most bland boring citizenship status should be thinking about what to do if the coming administration does what it says it will do.
Anonymous
Post 11/11/2024 12:58     Subject: Legal immigrant status
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Why do people have to be so rude? It's easy for you to laugh and make fun of someone for being worried when you know none of this crap is going to affect you. There are some truly awful people in these threads.


OP - thank you. My husband and I am truly worried about this. I am not a natural born citizen. I had a green card for 2 years. But my whole life is here in America.


He will deport illegal immigrants, not people with green cards or naturalized citizens. I came here legally and am a naturalized citizen. I also voted for Trump because the border needs to be secured and people who came here illegally, especially ones with criminal backgrounds, need a one way ticket out of here.
Anonymous
Post 11/11/2024 12:57     Subject: Legal immigrant status
Denaturalization is a very complicated process where only the federal courts can denatz someone. They have done it if the person was a human rights violator (ex. Nazi guard) or criminal/terrorist and was ineligible for citizenship in the first place. If you are not in those categories, and your parents aren’t either, then you will most likely not be in denatz proceedings.
Anonymous
Post 11/11/2024 12:57     Subject: Legal immigrant status
What if a person from Mexico is married to a natural born citizen?
Anonymous
Post 11/11/2024 12:55     Subject: Legal immigrant status
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Why do people have to be so rude? It's easy for you to laugh and make fun of someone for being worried when you know none of this crap is going to affect you. There are some truly awful people in these threads.


OP - thank you. My husband and I am truly worried about this. I am not a natural born citizen. I had a green card for 2 years. But my whole life is here in America.


OP, it is reasonable to be be worried. When people tell you who they are, believe them. When the Trump administration tells you what they are going to do, you'd best prepare for it.

This isn't fear mongering, PPs. This is pragmatism. You heard that Roe v Wade wasn't going to be touched up and down and up the sidewalk again, like a mantra. But that's exactly what Trump's SCOTUS did. This time they are telling us in advance what they are going to do.

Why on earth are you hobbling OP's ability to prepare for this promised step by telling her to close her eyes? Are you actually trying to feed the leopards by hand?


This. No one is saying OP should leave the country. But it is prudent for OP to prepare for the possibility.
Anonymous
Post 11/11/2024 12:53     Subject: Re:Legal immigrant status
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The denaturalization initiative, which began under Trump’s first administration, involved investigations into naturalized citizens, often based on minor discrepancies in immigration paperwork or other technicalities.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-advisor-s-turbocharged-denaturalization-project-sparks-fear-among-immigrant-communities-after-election-win/ar-AA1tGf5S


Except there have been approx 8 million documented illegal crossings under the Biden administration and that is more than enough the keep Trump et al busy for the next 2-4 years.


Except it’ll be easier to find the naturalized citizens and make examples out of them. Look, I didn’t vote for this horror, but people shouldn’t be surprised. We’ve known what Miller will do.


Right. We have actual lists of naturalized citizens. There are records, unlike for those making illegal crossings (that is kind of the point -- people doing things illegally don't put their names and addresses on government lists -- they aren't signing some kind of magical guestbook at the border).

For Pete's sake, this is obvious. And it's been promised, and Trump is dancing for 39 minutes high on his own fumes *before* he takes office. Why do you think there will be guardrails or any protections after he does?

You know this country has a Trump majority SCOTUS and a Republican Congress, right? Have you been asleep?
Anonymous
Post 11/11/2024 12:47     Subject: Legal immigrant status
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Why do people have to be so rude? It's easy for you to laugh and make fun of someone for being worried when you know none of this crap is going to affect you. There are some truly awful people in these threads.


OP - thank you. My husband and I am truly worried about this. I am not a natural born citizen. I had a green card for 2 years. But my whole life is here in America.


OP, it is reasonable to be be worried. When people tell you who they are, believe them. When the Trump administration tells you what they are going to do, you'd best prepare for it.

This isn't fear mongering, PPs. This is pragmatism. You heard that Roe v Wade wasn't going to be touched up and down and up the sidewalk again, like a mantra. But that's exactly what Trump's SCOTUS did. This time they are telling us in advance what they are going to do.

Why on earth are you hobbling OP's ability to prepare for this promised step by telling her to close her eyes? Are you actually trying to feed the leopards by hand?
Anonymous
Post 11/11/2024 12:46     Subject: Legal immigrant status
Anonymous wrote:Why do people have to be so rude? It's easy for you to laugh and make fun of someone for being worried when you know none of this crap is going to affect you. There are some truly awful people in these threads.


I’m not making fun of OP. But really Miller is insane and Trump is demented and not going to stop him. This is what people voted for: remember “mass deportation” and how you can’t wave a wand and make someone a citizen. There won’t be any guardrails. Not sure how to make that more clear. We are certainly planning for worst case scenarios that might affect us. So should OP.
Anonymous
Post 11/11/2024 12:46     Subject: Legal immigrant status
Anonymous wrote:Why do people have to be so rude? It's easy for you to laugh and make fun of someone for being worried when you know none of this crap is going to affect you. There are some truly awful people in these threads.


Personally I think people truly believe it’s hot air and mean tweets. Dems have been asking where to draw the line and then stating that Trump’s rhetoric is dangerous because it emboldens racist, sexist people to do harm.

But you have to wonder why they’d vote for someone who just spits out hateful word salad but won’t actually do what he promises.
Anonymous
Post 11/11/2024 12:44     Subject: Re:Legal immigrant status
Anonymous wrote:The denaturalization initiative, which began under Trump’s first administration, involved investigations into naturalized citizens, often based on minor discrepancies in immigration paperwork or other technicalities.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-advisor-s-turbocharged-denaturalization-project-sparks-fear-among-immigrant-communities-after-election-win/ar-AA1tGf5S



Except there have been approx 8 million documented illegal crossings under the Biden administration and that is more than enough the keep Trump et al busy for the next 2-4 years.
Anonymous
Post 11/11/2024 12:44     Subject: Legal immigrant status
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Will those who are here legally, on green cards, a non-birth citizens have their status changed? Is this part of the new policy change by Trump? I have been a naturalized citizen since I was 2 years old but am increasingly nervous that my citizenship will be taken away if Stephen Miller has his way regarding this policy.


At least part of the plan is to take back naturalized citizenship and then deport.

Can you get ahead of this by making sure you have a backup plan for where to go (where you are likely to be able to get a job, etc.) if and when you are deported?


OP - no I have lived here since I was 2 years old. I am married with young kids. Where would I go? Is there any chance they could round up people like me, put us in camps and then deport us to some unnamed country?


There’s no way this is going to happen. I wouldn’t worry OP. There is a difference between election rhetoric and implementing actual policy. I agree Miller is like a literal Nazi but I am still not worried. Obama had one of the highest deportations records of any president and we were fine - and no one outside of immigration circles even spoke about it or even knew. The focus, I’m sure, will be criminals and then perhaps recent illegal entries.


But Obama's administration never pushed for denaturalization, unlike what was started in Trump's first administration. And he's appointing people that want to see it through.

Be real. You didn't buy into that "the two parties are the same" nonsense, did you? Because if you did, it's the FO time.