Unfortunately with doctors leaving, eventually the women in those states will have sup-par health care. I expect to see the rates of maternal morbidity and mortality rising disproportionately in red states.

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Anonymous wrote:Just take the morning after pill.

The fundies want to ban that, too.

They sure do.

Anonymous wrote:Just take the morning after pill.

The fundies want to ban that, too.

Just take the morning after pill.

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:I read the other day about a woman in one of the southern states (Texas?) prosecuted for a miscarriage, based on accusations that she deliberately caused it. Need to ind the link. She was sentenced to jail, spent 2 years but has had her sentence overturned but the prosecutor is threatening to go after her again.

Here’s the link. It was Nevada

https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/interactive/2024/abortion-law-nevada-arrest-miscarriage/

Not the best example, there were a lot of problems with that situation, including the pregnant woman. She was in the third trimester, smoking meth. Everyone involved in that case is awful.

The reality is this is reality for many women. They get desperate. They do desperate things. This is why abortion should be safe and legal. Because there will always be desperate women who do desperate things. You'll never legislate that away. Especially not with Republicans in control - they create more desperation for people on the lower rungs of society. Always have, always will.

Did you even read the entire article to hear about this woman? She shouldn’t have even had custody of the children she already had. It was so sad for those children. And after all this, she’s had ANOTHER kid.

She is not the example you think she should be and her situation doesn’t help the pro choice cause. What her situation does show is how badly her community failed her and how she keeps failing herself. When she went to jail, her children were left with the crazy meth head older man in his trailer. WTAF.

The better WaPo story was the one about the teenage mom in Idaho who can’t make her own medical decisions bc of new Idaho laws. Not this one.

Once again - WHY do you want to force a woman like that to bear a child she doesn't want??? It doesn't make sense. She is a perfect example of why abortion should be legal and safe. Don't force women on the edge to go through with an unwanted pregnancy they can't handle and that will send them over the edge and their children to foster care.

Women are being prosecuted for miscarriages in the states which outlaw abortions.

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Anonymous wrote:If there were so many abortions before what are these families doing now? Just going to another state? I'm assuming there must be an entire abortion underground going on. People will still make money off a need and People will still want abortions.

There is a network, and it isn't slowing down. Women can get funds and other help with travel.

The Brigid Alliance is one.

https://brigidalliance.org

For many Americans, the costs and logistical challenges of getting to an abortion provider are primary barriers to access, and it’s only getting harder. We book, coordinate and pay for travel, travel expenses, and child care, serving as a single, trusted point of contact for every step of the journey. Wherever someone needs to get to abortion care in the U.S., we find a way to get them there – through direct support and in collaboration with our network of partners.

The National Network of Abortion Funds page has others.
https://abortionfunds.org

Anonymous wrote:Women are dying! We may not be hearing much about prosecutions because the doctors are not performing the abortion.

Another woman died just yesterday in Texas

https://www.texastribune.org/2024/10/30/texas-abortion-ban-josseli-barnica-death-miscarriage/

This is true. If she dies during or as a consequence of childbirth, someone has to pick up the story. Remember that HIPAA protects your personal health information for up to 50 years AFTER your death. So the hospital and doctors aren't sharing details. Your family can, but only if they want to risk the fire from the Right.

HIPAA applies not only throughout a patient’s life, but also protects an individual’s PHI and right to privacy for up to 50 years after the individual’s death.

https://www.ama-assn.org/system/files/2021-02/Patient-access-glimpse-into-real-world-access-barriers-after-death.pdf

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I read the other day about a woman in one of the southern states (Texas?) prosecuted for a miscarriage, based on accusations that she deliberately caused it. Need to ind the link. She was sentenced to jail, spent 2 years but has had her sentence overturned but the prosecutor is threatening to go after her again.

Here’s the link. It was Nevada

https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/interactive/2024/abortion-law-nevada-arrest-miscarriage/

Not the best example, there were a lot of problems with that situation, including the pregnant woman. She was in the third trimester, smoking meth. Everyone involved in that case is awful.

The reality is this is reality for many women. They get desperate. They do desperate things. This is why abortion should be safe and legal. Because there will always be desperate women who do desperate things. You'll never legislate that away. Especially not with Republicans in control - they create more desperation for people on the lower rungs of society. Always have, always will.

Did you even read the entire article to hear about this woman? She shouldn’t have even had custody of the children she already had. It was so sad for those children. And after all this, she’s had ANOTHER kid.

She is not the example you think she should be and her situation doesn’t help the pro choice cause. What her situation does show is how badly her community failed her and how she keeps failing herself. When she went to jail, her children were left with the crazy meth head older man in his trailer. WTAF.

The better WaPo story was the one about the teenage mom in Idaho who can’t make her own medical decisions bc of new Idaho laws. Not this one.

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Anonymous wrote:If there were so many abortions before what are these families doing now? Just going to another state? I'm assuming there must be an entire abortion underground going on. People will still make money off a need and People will still want abortions.

There is a network, and it isn't slowing down. Women can get funds and other help with travel.

The Brigid Alliance is one.

https://brigidalliance.org

For many Americans, the costs and logistical challenges of getting to an abortion provider are primary barriers to access, and it’s only getting harder. We book, coordinate and pay for travel, travel expenses, and child care, serving as a single, trusted point of contact for every step of the journey. Wherever someone needs to get to abortion care in the U.S., we find a way to get them there – through direct support and in collaboration with our network of partners.

Anonymous wrote:If there were so many abortions before what are these families doing now? Just going to another state? I'm assuming there must be an entire abortion underground going on. People will still make money off a need and People will still want abortions.

There is a network, and it isn't slowing down. Women can get funds and other help with travel.

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200+ women faced criminal charges over pregnancy in year after Dobbs, report finds:
Six states — Alabama, Mississippi, Ohio, Oklahoma, South Carolina and Texas — accounted for the majority of cases documented by researchers

In the year after the U.S. Supreme Court dismantled the constitutional right to abortion in June 2022, more than 200 pregnant women faced criminal charges for conduct associated with their pregnancy, pregnancy loss or birth, according to a new report.

https://missouriindependent.com/2024/10/01/200-women-faced-criminal-charges-over-pregnancy-in-year-after-dobbs-report-finds/

So the answer to your question is "yes," OP.

If there were so many abortions before what are these families doing now? Just going to another state? I'm assuming there must be an entire abortion underground going on. People will still make money off a need and People will still want abortions.

Anonymous wrote:Women are dying! We may not be hearing much about prosecutions because the doctors are not performing the abortion.

Another woman died just yesterday in Texas

https://www.texastribune.org/2024/10/30/texas-abortion-ban-josseli-barnica-death-miscarriage/

Doctors are also NOT PRESENT to perform abortions. There is no legal, ethical, or moral requirement for a physician to take on more patients than they can handle -- there is actually requirement not to do so. The only exception is at emergency rooms.

About 1 in 4 OB-GYNs in Idaho have left the state or retired since the abortion ban went through. Medical residents are avoiding training in states that have abortion bans. You can pour more gasoline on this trend by being yet more aggressive about prosecuting (or threatening to prosecute) doctors who are having to make twisted judgment calls in the already litigious and threatening environment. NOTHING prevents doctors from leaving states where they are put in these situations -- and already having lost too many colleagues who left, are now doing more call and trying to cover more patients with more threats and more harassment.

States With Abortion Bans See Continued Decrease in U.S. MD Senior Residency Applicants
https://www.aamcresearchinstitute.org/our-work/data-snapshot/post-dobbs-2024

Medical residents are starting to avoid states with abortion bans, data show
https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2024/05/09/1250057657/medical-residents-starting-avoid-states-abortion-bans

New doctors continue to avoid residencies in states with abortion bans
https://www.axios.com/2024/05/09/doctors-residencies-states-abortion-bans

The doctors leaving anti-abortion states: ‘I couldn’t do my job at all’
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/oct/26/us-abortion-ban-providers-doctors-leaving-states

Currently you cannot force doctors to work in any given state, and you cannot prevent them to moving to another state. Are you suggesting to change that?

Texas Court Throws Out Case Against Doctor Who Violated Abortion Ban
https://reproductiverights.org/texas-court-throws-out-case-against-doctor-who-violated-abortion-ban/

In 2022, Caitlin Bernard, MD, became a lightning rod in the abortion debate. Here's why she keeps fighting
https://www.aamc.org/news/2022-caitlin-bernard-md-became-lightning-rod-abortion-debate-heres-why-she-keeps-fighting

Texas AG threatens to prosecute doctors in emergency abortion
https://www.reuters.com/legal/texas-judge-allows-woman-get-emergency-abortion-despite-state-ban-2023-12-07/

Doctors in Idaho ERs no longer shielded from prosecution under abortion law
https://idahocapitalsun.com/2023/09/29/doctors-in-idaho-ers-no-longer-shielded-from-prosecution-under-abortion-law/

[b]‘That's something that you won't recover from as a doctor"[b]: In Idaho and other states, draconian laws are forcing physicians to ignore their training and put patients’ lives at risk.
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2024/10/abortion-ban-idaho-ob-gyn-maternity-care/679567/