Anonymous
Post 10/30/2024 11:21     Subject: Texas woman died because of abortion ban
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:She died because of malpractice and negligence, not the abortion law. Doctors are absolutely allowed to preform abortions if the mother’s life is at risk- at any time. The doctor failed to recognize this. You can’t say her outcome would have been any different- the doctor still may have said “let’s wait”

This is why OB/GYN doctors have one of the highest rates of malpractice. They make the wrong calls at times.

There is no ban appendectomies- yet women especially get delayed care or the “wait and see” or misdiagnosed at a high rate, leading to sepsis and sometimes death. There are a lot of bad doctors

You are being intellectually dishonest (or dumb). The AG in TX over rode a TX doctor's recommendation for an abortion in Kate Cox's case. This is what happens when you let lawyers make decisions about healthcare instead of doctors. Those lawyers have become death panels.

https://www.texastribune.org/2023/12/11/texas-abortion-lawsuit-kate-cox/


…”her doctors doctors refused to perform an abortion” so it hardly sounds like they recommended it or thought her life was in danger. Being pregnant with a genetically abnormal baby isnt an emergency. She was never hospitalized and there is no indication her doctors felt she needed an abortion. In fact, it was she who reached out to the Center for Reproductive Rights to have her case heard. She wanted an abortion so the baby didn’t suffer not because of imminent health risk. Seeing as there are zero statements from her doctors and they likely didn’t testify at court, or it would have been said. The person her felt her case fell under the health exception was “Duane, her lawyer”

https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/kate-cox-on-her-legal-fight-for-abortion-trisomy-18/


But for the ban, the life saving abortion would have been her choice, a choice to stay alive and be a mother to her living child who is now motherless; the doctors would not have refused.
Anonymous
Post 10/30/2024 11:18     Subject: Texas woman died because of abortion ban
Anonymous wrote:She died because of malpractice and negligence, not the abortion law. Doctors are absolutely allowed to preform abortions if the mother’s life is at risk- at any time. The doctor failed to recognize this. You can’t say her outcome would have been any different- the doctor still may have said “let’s wait”

This is why OB/GYN doctors have one of the highest rates of malpractice. They make the wrong calls at times.

There is no ban appendectomies- yet women especially get delayed care or the “wait and see” or misdiagnosed at a high rate, leading to sepsis and sometimes death. There are a lot of bad doctors


Do you HONESTLY believe that if the abortion ban had not been in place the doctors would have said "come back when the heartbeat is gone" or would they have not hesitated to provide an abortion immediately when every doctor and professional that Pro-Publica consulted about this case who reviewed what happened said they would have terminated the pregnancy as soon as she showed up in the emergency room?

I don't believe that.
Anonymous
Post 10/30/2024 11:11     Subject: Texas woman died because of abortion ban
Anonymous wrote:She died because of malpractice and negligence, not the abortion law. Doctors are absolutely allowed to preform abortions if the mother’s life is at risk- at any time. The doctor failed to recognize this. You can’t say her outcome would have been any different- the doctor still may have said “let’s wait”

This is why OB/GYN doctors have one of the highest rates of malpractice. They make the wrong calls at times.

There is no ban appendectomies- yet women especially get delayed care or the “wait and see” or misdiagnosed at a high rate, leading to sepsis and sometimes death. There are a lot of bad doctors


I understand that as a Trump supporter you feel the need to make this dishonest argument, because you think it makes these disgusting, murderous laws more palatable - you can blame anyone other than yourselves for this young mother's death. But the article directly contradicts your little tale:

Texas has been on the forefront of fighting abortion access.

At the time of Barnica’s miscarriage in 2021, the Supreme Court had not yet overturned the constitutional right to terminate a pregnancy. But Texas lawmakers, intent on being the first to enact a ban with teeth, had already passed a harsh civil law using a novel legal strategy that circumvented Roe v. Wade: It prohibited doctors from performing an abortion after six weeks by giving members of the public incentives to sue doctors for $10,000 judgments. The bounty also applied to anyone who “aided and abetted” an abortion.

A year later, after the Dobbs v. Jackson ruling was handed down, an even stricter criminal law went into effect, threatening doctors with up to 99 years in prison and $100,000 in fines.

Soon after the ruling, the Biden administration issued federal guidance reminding doctors in hospital emergency rooms they have a duty to treat pregnant patients who need to be stabilized, including by providing abortions for miscarriages.

Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton fought against that, arguing that following the guidance would force doctors to “commit crimes” under state law and make every hospital a “walk-in abortion clinic.” When a Dallas woman asked a court for approval to end her pregnancy because her fetus was not viable and she faced health risks if she carried it to term, Paxton fought to keep her pregnant. He argued her doctor hadn’t proved it was an emergency and threatened to prosecute anyone who helped her. “Nothing can restore the unborn child’s life that will be lost as a result,” he wrote to the court.

No doctor in Texas, or the 20 other states that criminalize abortion, has been prosecuted for violating a state ban. But the possibility looms over their every decision, dozens of doctors in those states told ProPublica, forcing them to consider their own legal risks as they navigate their patient’s health emergencies. The lack of clarity has resulted in many patients being denied care.

Anonymous
Post 10/30/2024 11:10     Subject: Texas woman died because of abortion ban
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:She died because of malpractice and negligence, not the abortion law. Doctors are absolutely allowed to preform abortions if the mother’s life is at risk- at any time. The doctor failed to recognize this. You can’t say her outcome would have been any different- the doctor still may have said “let’s wait”

This is why OB/GYN doctors have one of the highest rates of malpractice. They make the wrong calls at times.

There is no ban appendectomies- yet women especially get delayed care or the “wait and see” or misdiagnosed at a high rate, leading to sepsis and sometimes death. There are a lot of bad doctors

You are being intellectually dishonest (or dumb). The AG in TX over rode a TX doctor's recommendation for an abortion in Kate Cox's case. This is what happens when you let lawyers make decisions about healthcare instead of doctors. Those lawyers have become death panels.

https://www.texastribune.org/2023/12/11/texas-abortion-lawsuit-kate-cox/


…”her doctors doctors refused to perform an abortion” so it hardly sounds like they recommended it or thought her life was in danger. Being pregnant with a genetically abnormal baby isnt an emergency. She was never hospitalized and there is no indication her doctors felt she needed an abortion. In fact, it was she who reached out to the Center for Reproductive Rights to have her case heard. She wanted an abortion so the baby didn’t suffer not because of imminent health risk. Seeing as there are zero statements from her doctors and they likely didn’t testify at court, or it would have been said. The person her felt her case fell under the health exception was “Duane, her lawyer”

https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/kate-cox-on-her-legal-fight-for-abortion-trisomy-18/
Anonymous
Post 10/30/2024 11:10     Subject: Texas woman died because of abortion ban
This really hits close to home - we had a miscarriage between our first and second children. Could have easily been us.
Anonymous
Post 10/30/2024 10:53     Subject: Texas woman died because of abortion ban
Anonymous wrote:She died because of malpractice and negligence, not the abortion law. Doctors are absolutely allowed to preform abortions if the mother’s life is at risk- at any time. The doctor failed to recognize this. You can’t say her outcome would have been any different- the doctor still may have said “let’s wait”

This is why OB/GYN doctors have one of the highest rates of malpractice. They make the wrong calls at times.

There is no ban appendectomies- yet women especially get delayed care or the “wait and see” or misdiagnosed at a high rate, leading to sepsis and sometimes death. There are a lot of bad doctors

You are being intellectually dishonest (or dumb). The AG in TX over rode a TX doctor's recommendation for an abortion in Kate Cox's case. This is what happens when you let lawyers make decisions about healthcare instead of doctors. Those lawyers have become death panels.

https://www.texastribune.org/2023/12/11/texas-abortion-lawsuit-kate-cox/
Anonymous
Post 10/30/2024 10:48     Subject: Texas woman died because of abortion ban
She died because of malpractice and negligence, not the abortion law. Doctors are absolutely allowed to preform abortions if the mother’s life is at risk- at any time. The doctor failed to recognize this. You can’t say her outcome would have been any different- the doctor still may have said “let’s wait”

This is why OB/GYN doctors have one of the highest rates of malpractice. They make the wrong calls at times.

There is no ban appendectomies- yet women especially get delayed care or the “wait and see” or misdiagnosed at a high rate, leading to sepsis and sometimes death. There are a lot of bad doctors
Anonymous
Post 10/30/2024 10:39     Subject: Texas woman died because of abortion ban
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:They’re digging to 2021 to try and win this election?


Are you saying you don't care about this woman's unnecessary death, which happened as a direct result of the Republican abortion ban in Texas?


Yes, that is exactly what they implied.
Anonymous
Post 10/30/2024 10:22     Subject: Texas woman died because of abortion ban
Anonymous wrote:They’re digging to 2021 to try and win this election?


They had to. MSM has buried this story for 3 years and it took work to find the examples of how the Texas HandMaiden Law has killed mothers who wanted their pregnancy/children but needed to abort to save their own lives. In this case, Texas legally allowed doctors to execute this woman and violate their Hippocratic Oath.
Anonymous
Post 10/30/2024 10:22     Subject: Texas woman died because of abortion ban
Anonymous wrote:They’re digging to 2021 to try and win this election?


Are you saying you don't care about this woman's unnecessary death, which happened as a direct result of the Republican abortion ban in Texas?
Anonymous
Post 10/30/2024 10:19     Subject: Texas woman died because of abortion ban
Anonymous wrote:They’re digging to 2021 to try and win this election?

It takes years for medical review boards to go over cases and release the information.
Anonymous
Post 10/30/2024 10:16     Subject: Texas woman died because of abortion ban
Anonymous wrote:They’re digging to 2021 to try and win this election?

Since you don’t know how these things work and you didn’t read the article:

“Like all states, Texas has a committee of maternal health experts who review such deaths to recommend ways to prevent them, but the committee’s reports on individual cases are not public and members said they have not finished examining cases from 2021, the year Barnica died.”

This is how far behind the committee that reviews hospital deaths in TX is. They only just ruled her death preventable. Pro Publica looked at the statistics that are provided by the committee (her cause of death was “sepsis” involving “products of conception”), investigated and figured out who she was, contacted her family, and the family gave them access to her medical records and autopsy report. Then they had their own panel of experts review the records.

Do you think the public should be ignorant about patients’ preventable deaths just because they happened 3 years ago and the medical review committee is behind? These committees exist to decrease mortality rates. Knowledge is power.
Anonymous
Post 10/30/2024 10:07     Subject: Re:Texas woman died because of abortion ban
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Is this her baby? I can’t even go there. Have mercy.


What? How can you carry someone else’s?

PP meant the living child pictured (her first child).


Her orphan.
Anonymous
Post 10/30/2024 10:06     Subject: Re:Texas woman died because of abortion ban
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Is this her baby? I can’t even go there. Have mercy.


What? How can you carry someone else’s?

PP meant the living child pictured (her first child).
Anonymous
Post 10/30/2024 10:05     Subject: Texas woman died because of abortion ban
It most certainly does not have to be this way.