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Anonymous wrote:Can you go to spring Zones without your club or is that a d**k move? Ours goes to ISCA at that time next year.

I don't know if it is a dick move, but would rather do Zones than ICSA. Perhaps talk to the club.

I cannot fathom wanting to spend Spring break outside Rochester over St. Pete. I assume you went to ISCA 6 months ago and don’t want to go back? Zones is a slightly faster meet, but the top ISCA swimmers are AAA/AAAA. Why would you choose upstate NY over FL?

ICSA is not the fast meet nor as prestigious. NCSA yes, ICSA no. I would do zones over ICSA.

ISCA is not as fast as NSCA, but it is a fast meet and generally faster than Zones.

That is absolutely not true. Take a look at the cut times. Zones also doesn’t do single age cuts.

Cut times aren’t the only determining factor for what’s a fast meet. Look at what it takes to make the finals/ what it takes to win.

And separately: ~12 year olds wearing crocs with jibbitz don’t know of or care about prestige. They go to have fun and swim fast whether the meet’s in FL, WNY, or Timbuktu.

I didn’t look through the entire meets but in the few events I did look at the Zones finalists and winners were faster. I think generally speaking ISCA is considered the lesser of the 3 meets. It’s hard to compare Zones and NCSAs because NCSA has single age cuts, but the difference in those 2 meets really comes down to which event the club chooses to attend.

You can still compare results from zones and NCSAs. Even though there are single age group qualifying times, swimmers within the same age group compete against each other.

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Anonymous wrote:Seeing your kid qualify for ISCA and Zones and then forcing them to go to Rochester and not spend time with their teammates and friends because you think Zones is slightly better is psychotic parent behavior. Do better.

That assumes money is no object. Do better.
Also, there does come a point (likely after age group swimming) where the swimmer may want to prioritize the faster meet over a swimming vacay with friends. That’s not psychotic, it’s about prioritization. You don’t get to decide that for other swimmers.

Money is fine reason to make a choice. Nobody brought that up. The discussion was about whether it’s better to choose Zones over ISCA because it’s is slightly faster.

Second, Zones is an age group meet so your second point is irrelevant. If you want to debate the value of ISCA vs Sectionals, that’s a different conversation.

My guess, based on this reaction, is that you probably are (or were) the person doing the math on 11yo times to micromanage your kid into the meet you think is faster because you can brag to your mom friends.

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Anonymous wrote:Seeing your kid qualify for ISCA and Zones and then forcing them to go to Rochester and not spend time with their teammates and friends because you think Zones is slightly better is psychotic parent behavior. Do better.

That assumes money is no object. Do better.
Also, there does come a point (likely after age group swimming) where the swimmer may want to prioritize the faster meet over a swimming vacay with friends. That’s not psychotic, it’s about prioritization. You don’t get to decide that for other swimmers.

If you’re quibbling over a few hundred dollars on five day trip, you’re the one that needs to do better.

I wouldn’t go to Zones if the club wasn’t going, but as someone who has gone to NCSAs and Zones, I can tell you a trip to Florida in March is thousands more than going to Rochester. We drove to Rochester and stayed at a great hotel. We had to fly to Orlando and stayed at a basic hotel at a premium because it was March, and had to rent a car, and it was thousands more than going to Rochester.

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Anonymous wrote:Seeing your kid qualify for ISCA and Zones and then forcing them to go to Rochester and not spend time with their teammates and friends because you think Zones is slightly better is psychotic parent behavior. Do better.

That assumes money is no object. Do better.
Also, there does come a point (likely after age group swimming) where the swimmer may want to prioritize the faster meet over a swimming vacay with friends. That’s not psychotic, it’s about prioritization. You don’t get to decide that for other swimmers.

If you’re quibbling over a few hundred dollars on five day trip, you’re the one that needs to do better.

Probably more like a few thousand but okay. ISCA is typically flights, rental car, hotel with resort fee, expensive meals, and expensive spectator seating. You can drive to Rochester and stay/eat at not spring break rates.
At this point, I presume you’re a troll or just being intentionally provocative. ✌️

You can drive to St. Pete; I did last year. You can book a hotel for $150 a night within walking distance to the pool; I’ve already done that for 2025. If you are super budget conscious, you’ll think about these things. Chipotle costs the same in NY as it FL.

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Anonymous wrote:Seeing your kid qualify for ISCA and Zones and then forcing them to go to Rochester and not spend time with their teammates and friends because you think Zones is slightly better is psychotic parent behavior. Do better.

That assumes money is no object. Do better.
Also, there does come a point (likely after age group swimming) where the swimmer may want to prioritize the faster meet over a swimming vacay with friends. That’s not psychotic, it’s about prioritization. You don’t get to decide that for other swimmers.

If you’re quibbling over a few hundred dollars on five day trip, you’re the one that needs to do better.

Probably more like a few thousand but okay. ISCA is typically flights, rental car, hotel with resort fee, expensive meals, and expensive spectator seating. You can drive to Rochester and stay/eat at not spring break rates.
At this point, I presume you’re a troll or just being intentionally provocative. ✌️

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Anonymous wrote:Seeing your kid qualify for ISCA and Zones and then forcing them to go to Rochester and not spend time with their teammates and friends because you think Zones is slightly better is psychotic parent behavior. Do better.

That assumes money is no object. Do better.
Also, there does come a point (likely after age group swimming) where the swimmer may want to prioritize the faster meet over a swimming vacay with friends. That’s not psychotic, it’s about prioritization. You don’t get to decide that for other swimmers.

If you’re quibbling over a few hundred dollars on five day trip, you’re the one that needs to do better.

Anonymous wrote:Seeing your kid qualify for ISCA and Zones and then forcing them to go to Rochester and not spend time with their teammates and friends because you think Zones is slightly better is psychotic parent behavior. Do better.

That assumes money is no object. Do better.
Also, there does come a point (likely after age group swimming) where the swimmer may want to prioritize the faster meet over a swimming vacay with friends. That’s not psychotic, it’s about prioritization. You don’t get to decide that for other swimmers.

Seeing your kid qualify for ISCA and Zones and then forcing them to go to Rochester and not spend time with their teammates and friends because you think Zones is slightly better is psychotic parent behavior. Do better.

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Anonymous wrote:Can you go to spring Zones without your club or is that a d**k move? Ours goes to ISCA at that time next year.

I don't know if it is a dick move, but would rather do Zones than ICSA. Perhaps talk to the club.

I cannot fathom wanting to spend Spring break outside Rochester over St. Pete. I assume you went to ISCA 6 months ago and don’t want to go back? Zones is a slightly faster meet, but the top ISCA swimmers are AAA/AAAA. Why would you choose upstate NY over FL?

ICSA is not the fast meet nor as prestigious. NCSA yes, ICSA no. I would do zones over ICSA.

ISCA is not as fast as NSCA, but it is a fast meet and generally faster than Zones.

That is absolutely not true. Take a look at the cut times. Zones also doesn’t do single age cuts.

Cut times aren’t the only determining factor for what’s a fast meet. Look at what it takes to make the finals/ what it takes to win.

And separately: ~12 year olds wearing crocs with jibbitz don’t know of or care about prestige. They go to have fun and swim fast whether the meet’s in FL, WNY, or Timbuktu.

I didn’t look through the entire meets but in the few events I did look at the Zones finalists and winners were faster. I think generally speaking ISCA is considered the lesser of the 3 meets. It’s hard to compare Zones and NCSAs because NCSA has single age cuts, but the difference in those 2 meets really comes down to which event the club chooses to attend.

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Anonymous wrote:Can you go to spring Zones without your club or is that a d**k move? Ours goes to ISCA at that time next year.

I don't know if it is a dick move, but would rather do Zones than ICSA. Perhaps talk to the club.

I cannot fathom wanting to spend Spring break outside Rochester over St. Pete. I assume you went to ISCA 6 months ago and don’t want to go back? Zones is a slightly faster meet, but the top ISCA swimmers are AAA/AAAA. Why would you choose upstate NY over FL?

ICSA is not the fast meet nor as prestigious. NCSA yes, ICSA no. I would do zones over ICSA.

ISCA is not as fast as NSCA, but it is a fast meet and generally faster than Zones.

That is absolutely not true. Take a look at the cut times. Zones also doesn’t do single age cuts.

Cut times aren’t the only determining factor for what’s a fast meet. Look at what it takes to make the finals/ what it takes to win.

And separately: ~12 year olds wearing crocs with jibbitz don’t know of or care about prestige. They go to have fun and swim fast whether the meet’s in FL, WNY, or Timbuktu.

Agree with this. I'm looking at how fast finals are to judge a whether or not a meet is fast.

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Anonymous wrote:Can you go to spring Zones without your club or is that a d**k move? Ours goes to ISCA at that time next year.

I don't know if it is a dick move, but would rather do Zones than ICSA. Perhaps talk to the club.

I cannot fathom wanting to spend Spring break outside Rochester over St. Pete. I assume you went to ISCA 6 months ago and don’t want to go back? Zones is a slightly faster meet, but the top ISCA swimmers are AAA/AAAA. Why would you choose upstate NY over FL?

ICSA is not the fast meet nor as prestigious. NCSA yes, ICSA no. I would do zones over ICSA.

ISCA is not as fast as NSCA, but it is a fast meet and generally faster than Zones.

That is absolutely not true. Take a look at the cut times. Zones also doesn’t do single age cuts.

Cut times aren’t the only determining factor for what’s a fast meet. Look at what it takes to make the finals/ what it takes to win.

And separately: ~12 year olds wearing crocs with jibbitz don’t know of or care about prestige. They go to have fun and swim fast whether the meet’s in FL, WNY, or Timbuktu.

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Anonymous wrote:Can you go to spring Zones without your club or is that a d**k move? Ours goes to ISCA at that time next year.

I don't know if it is a dick move, but would rather do Zones than ICSA. Perhaps talk to the club.

I cannot fathom wanting to spend Spring break outside Rochester over St. Pete. I assume you went to ISCA 6 months ago and don’t want to go back? Zones is a slightly faster meet, but the top ISCA swimmers are AAA/AAAA. Why would you choose upstate NY over FL?

ICSA is not the fast meet nor as prestigious. NCSA yes, ICSA no. I would do zones over ICSA.

ISCA is not as fast as NSCA, but it is a fast meet and generally faster than Zones.

That is absolutely not true. Take a look at the cut times. Zones also doesn’t do single age cuts.

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Anonymous wrote:Can you go to spring Zones without your club or is that a d**k move? Ours goes to ISCA at that time next year.

I don't know if it is a dick move, but would rather do Zones than ICSA. Perhaps talk to the club.

I cannot fathom wanting to spend Spring break outside Rochester over St. Pete. I assume you went to ISCA 6 months ago and don’t want to go back? Zones is a slightly faster meet, but the top ISCA swimmers are AAA/AAAA. Why would you choose upstate NY over FL?

ICSA is not the fast meet nor as prestigious. NCSA yes, ICSA no. I would do zones over ICSA.

ISCA is not as fast as NSCA, but it is a fast meet and generally faster than Zones.

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Anonymous wrote:Can you go to spring Zones without your club or is that a d**k move? Ours goes to ISCA at that time next year.

I don't know if it is a dick move, but would rather do Zones than ICSA. Perhaps talk to the club.

I cannot fathom wanting to spend Spring break outside Rochester over St. Pete. I assume you went to ISCA 6 months ago and don’t want to go back? Zones is a slightly faster meet, but the top ISCA swimmers are AAA/AAAA. Why would you choose upstate NY over FL?

Because one meet might fit better with your school break schedule

They are the same week…

Yes ISCA and Eastern Zones are the same. NCSAs are the week prior so in conflicted with FCPS schedules.
Also, cost is huge. You can drive to Rochester versus having to fly to St.Pete or Orlando and I’m sure hotels are a lot cheaper in NY than Florida at the height of spring break season. Not everyone is made of 💵💵

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Anonymous wrote:Can you go to spring Zones without your club or is that a d**k move? Ours goes to ISCA at that time next year.

I don't know if it is a dick move, but would rather do Zones than ICSA. Perhaps talk to the club.

I cannot fathom wanting to spend Spring break outside Rochester over St. Pete. I assume you went to ISCA 6 months ago and don’t want to go back? Zones is a slightly faster meet, but the top ISCA swimmers are AAA/AAAA. Why would you choose upstate NY over FL?

ICSA is not the fast meet nor as prestigious. NCSA yes, ICSA no. I would do zones over ICSA.