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Anonymous wrote:If the kids are Principal placed .Does that mean they are the same as Committee placed ? what makes the difference ?

Committee placed are kids selected by the committee. They have the option of attending the Center school or their base school. They are guaranteed LIV placement through 8th grade.

Principal placed kids are kids who are placed in the local LIV class by the Principal. They were not selected by the committee for LIV. They are not guaranteed a seat in the LLIV class, they can be removed at any time. They cannot take LIV classes in MS.

So effed up to track kids like this when they’re 6-8 years old. Committee wasn’t impressed with you when you were 7? Too bad, no advanced classes for you when you’re 13!

That is why parents can apply in later grades. I would expect that a kid who had been Principal Placed from 3rd grade on to apply for LIV status before MS. It isn’t that hard of a process, parents fill out a form. They can do more but they don’t have to.

Sure, they can fill out a form. They have no control over what some nameless, faceless centralized committee that doesn’t know their kid from Adam chooses to do.

Stop pretending that not allowing kids who can and should take advanced classes to actually take those classes is somehow fair, or just some parental failing.

The entire AAP system is a disaster.

Parents can apply every year, they are not locked out. Parents can choose Honors classes for kids in MS, they are not denied advanced classes.

AAP is not perfect, there is no such thing as a perfect system. There are options and plenty of kids take AP/IB class in HS having not taking LIV classes in ES/MS. Kids are taking Algebra 1 in 8th grade, which allows them to take Calculus as Seniors. Kids get into top schools with “Just Calculus.”

I am guessing that the people who see AAP as a disaster are parents whose kids were not placed and see it as a snub of some sort. There is far too much evidence of kids doing fine without AAP for me to take things seriously. The program is a mildly ahead and provides kids in it some more indepth/advanced work that prevents them from being overly bored. Other kids catch up to the AAP kids easily enough.

How does principal placement work? Do you apply for it or send an email if you don't get into AAP or does the principal figure that out all on their own?

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Anonymous wrote:If the kids are Principal placed .Does that mean they are the same as Committee placed ? what makes the difference ?

Committee placed are kids selected by the committee. They have the option of attending the Center school or their base school. They are guaranteed LIV placement through 8th grade.

Principal placed kids are kids who are placed in the local LIV class by the Principal. They were not selected by the committee for LIV. They are not guaranteed a seat in the LLIV class, they can be removed at any time. They cannot take LIV classes in MS.

So effed up to track kids like this when they’re 6-8 years old. Committee wasn’t impressed with you when you were 7? Too bad, no advanced classes for you when you’re 13!

I don’t disagree with your statement, but rest assured, all kids can take all honors classes in MS, regardless of whether they were in AAP in ES. The only real difference is that being in AAP tees you up to take Algebra I Honors in 7th instead of 8th. If that’s important to you, then you’ll need to figure out a plan by 6th grade (which, depending on the school, doesn’t require LIV - ours didn’t).
So anyway, in summary, not being selected for AAP in ES has no bearing on eligibility to take advanced classes in middle and high schools. Thank goodness!
In a few moments, people will rush to point out that AAP MS school classes are different than Honors. That depends on the school, cohort, etc. ultimately, there’s no substantive difference and has no impact on eligibility or preparedness for high school courses … AAP is over and moot by then.

Rest assured, we figured out a plan. We moved.

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Anonymous wrote:If the kids are Principal placed .Does that mean they are the same as Committee placed ? what makes the difference ?

Committee placed are kids selected by the committee. They have the option of attending the Center school or their base school. They are guaranteed LIV placement through 8th grade.

Principal placed kids are kids who are placed in the local LIV class by the Principal. They were not selected by the committee for LIV. They are not guaranteed a seat in the LLIV class, they can be removed at any time. They cannot take LIV classes in MS.

So effed up to track kids like this when they’re 6-8 years old. Committee wasn’t impressed with you when you were 7? Too bad, no advanced classes for you when you’re 13!

I don’t disagree with your statement, but rest assured, all kids can take all honors classes in MS, regardless of whether they were in AAP in ES. The only real difference is that being in AAP tees you up to take Algebra I Honors in 7th instead of 8th. If that’s important to you, then you’ll need to figure out a plan by 6th grade (which, depending on the school, doesn’t require LIV - ours didn’t).
So anyway, in summary, not being selected for AAP in ES has no bearing on eligibility to take advanced classes in middle and high schools. Thank goodness!
In a few moments, people will rush to point out that AAP MS school classes are different than Honors. That depends on the school, cohort, etc. ultimately, there’s no substantive difference and has no impact on eligibility or preparedness for high school courses … AAP is over and moot by then.

That might work in a school like Carson. Do you think honors and AA are the same at a school like Sandburg or Key?

Honestly, that's a good question. Honors classes will slow down if enough kids are struggling. Are sub-par kids more likely to opt into honors at a lower income school or a higher income one? I doubt a ton of parents at lower income schools are likely to push their unready kids into honors. That actually sounds like more of a rich parent striver thing. I would guess that the quality of honors classes is comparable at any school, but there are just a lot fewer honors sections at Sandburg or Key vs. a high income school.

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Anonymous wrote:If the kids are Principal placed .Does that mean they are the same as Committee placed ? what makes the difference ?

Committee placed are kids selected by the committee. They have the option of attending the Center school or their base school. They are guaranteed LIV placement through 8th grade.

Principal placed kids are kids who are placed in the local LIV class by the Principal. They were not selected by the committee for LIV. They are not guaranteed a seat in the LLIV class, they can be removed at any time. They cannot take LIV classes in MS.

So effed up to track kids like this when they’re 6-8 years old. Committee wasn’t impressed with you when you were 7? Too bad, no advanced classes for you when you’re 13!

That is why parents can apply in later grades. I would expect that a kid who had been Principal Placed from 3rd grade on to apply for LIV status before MS. It isn’t that hard of a process, parents fill out a form. They can do more but they don’t have to.

Sure, they can fill out a form. They have no control over what some nameless, faceless centralized committee that doesn’t know their kid from Adam chooses to do.

Stop pretending that not allowing kids who can and should take advanced classes to actually take those classes is somehow fair, or just some parental failing.

The entire AAP system is a disaster.

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Anonymous wrote:If the kids are Principal placed .Does that mean they are the same as Committee placed ? what makes the difference ?

Committee placed are kids selected by the committee. They have the option of attending the Center school or their base school. They are guaranteed LIV placement through 8th grade.

Principal placed kids are kids who are placed in the local LIV class by the Principal. They were not selected by the committee for LIV. They are not guaranteed a seat in the LLIV class, they can be removed at any time. They cannot take LIV classes in MS.

So effed up to track kids like this when they’re 6-8 years old. Committee wasn’t impressed with you when you were 7? Too bad, no advanced classes for you when you’re 13!

I don’t disagree with your statement, but rest assured, all kids can take all honors classes in MS, regardless of whether they were in AAP in ES. The only real difference is that being in AAP tees you up to take Algebra I Honors in 7th instead of 8th. If that’s important to you, then you’ll need to figure out a plan by 6th grade (which, depending on the school, doesn’t require LIV - ours didn’t).
So anyway, in summary, not being selected for AAP in ES has no bearing on eligibility to take advanced classes in middle and high schools. Thank goodness!
In a few moments, people will rush to point out that AAP MS school classes are different than Honors. That depends on the school, cohort, etc. ultimately, there’s no substantive difference and has no impact on eligibility or preparedness for high school courses … AAP is over and moot by then.

That might work in a school like Carson. Do you think honors and AA are the same at a school like Sandburg or Key?

Sure, I mean it's all relative to their overall school population.

What makes you think the population is evenly distributed?

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Anonymous wrote:If the kids are Principal placed .Does that mean they are the same as Committee placed ? what makes the difference ?

Committee placed are kids selected by the committee. They have the option of attending the Center school or their base school. They are guaranteed LIV placement through 8th grade.

Principal placed kids are kids who are placed in the local LIV class by the Principal. They were not selected by the committee for LIV. They are not guaranteed a seat in the LLIV class, they can be removed at any time. They cannot take LIV classes in MS.

So effed up to track kids like this when they’re 6-8 years old. Committee wasn’t impressed with you when you were 7? Too bad, no advanced classes for you when you’re 13!

I don’t disagree with your statement, but rest assured, all kids can take all honors classes in MS, regardless of whether they were in AAP in ES. The only real difference is that being in AAP tees you up to take Algebra I Honors in 7th instead of 8th. If that’s important to you, then you’ll need to figure out a plan by 6th grade (which, depending on the school, doesn’t require LIV - ours didn’t).
So anyway, in summary, not being selected for AAP in ES has no bearing on eligibility to take advanced classes in middle and high schools. Thank goodness!
In a few moments, people will rush to point out that AAP MS school classes are different than Honors. That depends on the school, cohort, etc. ultimately, there’s no substantive difference and has no impact on eligibility or preparedness for high school courses … AAP is over and moot by then.

That might work in a school like Carson. Do you think honors and AA are the same at a school like Sandburg or Key?

I think that's irrelevant. The PP was saying it's "effed up" that MS students can't take advanced classes if they're not selected for AAP in ES. I was reassuring them that they can indeed take advanced classes in MS in the form of Honors. And, once they hit HS, whether they were called Honors or AAS in MS is also irrelevant.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If the kids are Principal placed .Does that mean they are the same as Committee placed ? what makes the difference ?

Committee placed are kids selected by the committee. They have the option of attending the Center school or their base school. They are guaranteed LIV placement through 8th grade.

Principal placed kids are kids who are placed in the local LIV class by the Principal. They were not selected by the committee for LIV. They are not guaranteed a seat in the LLIV class, they can be removed at any time. They cannot take LIV classes in MS.

So effed up to track kids like this when they’re 6-8 years old. Committee wasn’t impressed with you when you were 7? Too bad, no advanced classes for you when you’re 13!

I don’t disagree with your statement, but rest assured, all kids can take all honors classes in MS, regardless of whether they were in AAP in ES. The only real difference is that being in AAP tees you up to take Algebra I Honors in 7th instead of 8th. If that’s important to you, then you’ll need to figure out a plan by 6th grade (which, depending on the school, doesn’t require LIV - ours didn’t).
So anyway, in summary, not being selected for AAP in ES has no bearing on eligibility to take advanced classes in middle and high schools. Thank goodness!
In a few moments, people will rush to point out that AAP MS school classes are different than Honors. That depends on the school, cohort, etc. ultimately, there’s no substantive difference and has no impact on eligibility or preparedness for high school courses … AAP is over and moot by then.

That might work in a school like Carson. Do you think honors and AA are the same at a school like Sandburg or Key?

Sure, I mean it's all relative to their overall school population.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If the kids are Principal placed .Does that mean they are the same as Committee placed ? what makes the difference ?

Committee placed are kids selected by the committee. They have the option of attending the Center school or their base school. They are guaranteed LIV placement through 8th grade.

Principal placed kids are kids who are placed in the local LIV class by the Principal. They were not selected by the committee for LIV. They are not guaranteed a seat in the LLIV class, they can be removed at any time. They cannot take LIV classes in MS.

So effed up to track kids like this when they’re 6-8 years old. Committee wasn’t impressed with you when you were 7? Too bad, no advanced classes for you when you’re 13!

I don’t disagree with your statement, but rest assured, all kids can take all honors classes in MS, regardless of whether they were in AAP in ES. The only real difference is that being in AAP tees you up to take Algebra I Honors in 7th instead of 8th. If that’s important to you, then you’ll need to figure out a plan by 6th grade (which, depending on the school, doesn’t require LIV - ours didn’t).
So anyway, in summary, not being selected for AAP in ES has no bearing on eligibility to take advanced classes in middle and high schools. Thank goodness!
In a few moments, people will rush to point out that AAP MS school classes are different than Honors. That depends on the school, cohort, etc. ultimately, there’s no substantive difference and has no impact on eligibility or preparedness for high school courses … AAP is over and moot by then.

That might work in a school like Carson. Do you think honors and AA are the same at a school like Sandburg or Key?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If the kids are Principal placed .Does that mean they are the same as Committee placed ? what makes the difference ?

Committee placed are kids selected by the committee. They have the option of attending the Center school or their base school. They are guaranteed LIV placement through 8th grade.

Principal placed kids are kids who are placed in the local LIV class by the Principal. They were not selected by the committee for LIV. They are not guaranteed a seat in the LLIV class, they can be removed at any time. They cannot take LIV classes in MS.

So effed up to track kids like this when they’re 6-8 years old. Committee wasn’t impressed with you when you were 7? Too bad, no advanced classes for you when you’re 13!

I don’t disagree with your statement, but rest assured, all kids can take all honors classes in MS, regardless of whether they were in AAP in ES. The only real difference is that being in AAP tees you up to take Algebra I Honors in 7th instead of 8th. If that’s important to you, then you’ll need to figure out a plan by 6th grade (which, depending on the school, doesn’t require LIV - ours didn’t).
So anyway, in summary, not being selected for AAP in ES has no bearing on eligibility to take advanced classes in middle and high schools. Thank goodness!
In a few moments, people will rush to point out that AAP MS school classes are different than Honors. That depends on the school, cohort, etc. ultimately, there’s no substantive difference and has no impact on eligibility or preparedness for high school courses … AAP is over and moot by then.

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Anonymous wrote:But does this mean that my child who didn't get in to AAP in 3rd just won't have a chance at getting in to the LLIV class unless they get in to AAP?

The Principal at your school might place your child in the LLIV classroom. You can apply for your child to be considered for LIV for the next grade level.

Advanced Math is what your child needs to have a chance to take Algebra 1 in 7th grade.

Either way, your child will be fine.

Advanced math is the most important. Our ES experience was that LLIV was 90% PTA moms getting their kids in. They were the ones pushing out for math while kids not in LLIV pushed in

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Anonymous wrote:If the kids are Principal placed .Does that mean they are the same as Committee placed ? what makes the difference ?

Committee placed are kids selected by the committee. They have the option of attending the Center school or their base school. They are guaranteed LIV placement through 8th grade.

Principal placed kids are kids who are placed in the local LIV class by the Principal. They were not selected by the committee for LIV. They are not guaranteed a seat in the LLIV class, they can be removed at any time. They cannot take LIV classes in MS.

So effed up to track kids like this when they’re 6-8 years old. Committee wasn’t impressed with you when you were 7? Too bad, no advanced classes for you when you’re 13!

That is why parents can apply in later grades. I would expect that a kid who had been Principal Placed from 3rd grade on to apply for LIV status before MS. It isn’t that hard of a process, parents fill out a form. They can do more but they don’t have to.

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Anonymous wrote:As the PP mentioned kids who are Princi placed are glued into level IV AAP and they even attend IOWA tests in Grade 6 and they easily pass on to middle school AAP classes. Im really not sure what makes the difference. They even surpass the committee placed kids

The above is incorrect. There's actually usually a culture shock when 7th grade hits and the Principal Placed kids and their parents realize they're not getting into the Middle-School AAP program with their peers. This is also why elementary school AARTs recommends parents continually apply year by year for their child, because they can be removed each year for students who are committee approved or who do better on tests in gen-ed. This advance grade additions is also why the AAP consists of 20%, rather than the ~10-15% who are initially admitted.

It is kid dependent. We deferred LIV placement in ES and DS has straight A’s in 7th grade MS LIV classes. We have been following his LA grade because that is the area in ES that he always felt like he was on grade level, maybe a bit ahead, but he always scored Passed Advance on the LA SOL. He is at Carson and loving school. He appreciates that his classes are not all that easy and he has to work a bit but is not feeling a ton of pressure.

I took the original post to mean that the Principal Placed kids eventually surpass the LIV for kids grade wise. I would guess that a good number of kids who have been Principal Placed in ES are accepted into LIV for MS and I would imagine those kids do just fine in the LIV classes in MS.

LIV classes are not that deep or special. They are different but there are committee placed kids who struggle with the math or LA, based on their strengths, and Principal Placed kids who have no issues. I know committee placed kids who are not taking Algebra 1 in 7th grade, I know a bunch of them actually. Part of it is that their parents thought it was unnecessary and part of it was the kid passed the IAAT and SOL but just don’t like math all that much.

It just isn’t that deep.

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Anonymous wrote:If the kids are Principal placed .Does that mean they are the same as Committee placed ? what makes the difference ?

Committee placed are kids selected by the committee. They have the option of attending the Center school or their base school. They are guaranteed LIV placement through 8th grade.

Principal placed kids are kids who are placed in the local LIV class by the Principal. They were not selected by the committee for LIV. They are not guaranteed a seat in the LLIV class, they can be removed at any time. They cannot take LIV classes in MS.

So effed up to track kids like this when they’re 6-8 years old. Committee wasn’t impressed with you when you were 7? Too bad, no advanced classes for you when you’re 13!

Anonymous wrote:As the PP mentioned kids who are Princi placed are glued into level IV AAP and they even attend IOWA tests in Grade 6 and they easily pass on to middle school AAP classes. Im really not sure what makes the difference. They even surpass the committee placed kids

The above is incorrect. There's actually usually a culture shock when 7th grade hits and the Principal Placed kids and their parents realize they're not getting into the Middle-School AAP program with their peers. This is also why elementary school AARTs recommends parents continually apply year by year for their child, because they can be removed each year for students who are committee approved or who do better on tests in gen-ed. This advance grade additions is also why the AAP consists of 20%, rather than the ~10-15% who are initially admitted.